Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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akk said:
Dear all, new to DFB but was on DFI for several years.
Normally a guest on DFB but joined today.
Have a query.....carefully heard Mr Modi's speech today. All good but slightly confused about IWT.
He said.....we will not give water from "OUR SHARE" if pakistan continues with terrorism. The concept of share itself should be in a abeyance with IWT. Is it a suboptimal choice of words, or is there a chance that we have quietly gone back on IWT abeyance?
Please listen to the speech for exactly what he said before commenting.
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Welcome back to the community, brother!

I shared your concern as well when I heard it for the first time. But then again, even if we did quietly go back on IWT abeyance, Modi wouldn't be saying it out loud in a political rally. So, it has to be a suboptimal choice of words. He perhaps meant that all of the water is ours.
 

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Gurmeet said:
Do you guys remember all those guys who were saying we will get satellite photos of krina no of them released that. Do u get it why,?
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Officially, we are not acknowledging that we hit Pakistanese nuclear facilities. Because, Pakistanese started to cry about nuclear radiation.

Unofficially, there were videos showing explosions at Kirana Hills captured by Pakistanese themselves that were posted on this thread.

We won't see any satellite images in the public domain even though they exist. It is primarily to maintain the invincibility of Pakistanese nuclear deterrent. Everyone involved, except India, sees Pakistanese nukes as a useful scarecrow against India.
 
JConline said:
Welcome back to the community, brother!

I shared your concern as well when I heard it for the first time. But then again, even if we did quietly go back on IWT abeyance, Modi wouldn't be saying it out loud in a political rally. So, it has to be a suboptimal choice of words. He perhaps meant that all of the water is ours.
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Many thanks! Good to see that you noted, I thought I was being paranoid.
We must keep the noose tight! After 370, it's the single most important policy decision reg pak since 1947
 
akk said:
Dear all, new to DFB but was on DFI for several years.
Normally a guest on DFB but joined today.
Have a query.....carefully heard Mr Modi's speech today. All good but slightly confused about IWT.
He said.....we will not give water from "OUR SHARE" if pakistan continues with terrorism. The concept of share itself should be in a abeyance with IWT. Is it a suboptimal choice of words, or is there a chance that we have quietly gone back on IWT abeyance?
Please listen to the speech for exactly what he said before commenting.
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IWT will be renegotiated and paki share will be given back. can't hold back water forever, it has to flow somewhere. as it came out during this past month, pakis were not allowing even silt clearance and maintenance works for more than three decades, that's what on and off dam gate openings were about.

after engineering works on our side are done, if pakis don't play any more stupid games, they will get their hydro data and water along with a renegotiated IWT.
 
MasterChief said:
Woman is still trying to rationalize India's allegedly bad behaviour..
While most of us here in DFB are like: BLUE, YELLOW, PINK whatever shape dead Pakistanis come is welcome...👹

DFBians to RAAW..
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It's the bloody need for Western validation. At this point, all this sounds like our sorry ass Indian mindset is begging for the West to understand and say "Well done!"
F*CK THAT!
The very fact that the West and Mr. Homelander are suddenly stroking the castrated you-know-whats when India has whooped the Porkies is proof that we have not only decimated the Paki "Mirage" but also jolted the "Big Bros" out of their little bubble of supremacy.
No wonder someone's getting more tanned by the day.
 
JConline said:
Welcome back to the community, brother!

I shared your concern as well when I heard it for the first time. But then again, even if we did quietly go back on IWT abeyance, Modi wouldn't be saying it out loud in a political rally. So, it has to be a suboptimal choice of words. He perhaps meant that all of the water is ours.
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Under IWT the unjust is 20:80 probably Modi is saying the Just share which can be 80:20 in our favour 🤣
 
Tumba said:
Under IWT the unjust is 20:80 probably Modi is saying the Just share which can be 80:20 in our favour 🤣
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For all I care, divert all the water, and make Northern and Western India permanently water secure. Our farmers will become billionaires while the sorry inbreds on the other side of the border can drink each other's blood.
 
JConline said:
For all I care, divert all the water, and make Northern and Western India permanently water secure. Our farmers will become billionaires while the sorry inbreds on the other side of the border can drink each other's blood.
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For short term atleast Chenab we can divert as much as we want in next few years rest in case pakis keep on indulging we can go for Jhelam …
 
Tumba said:
For short term atleast Chenab we can divert as much as we want in next few years rest in case pakis keep on indulging we can go for Jhelam …
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Ideally, Modi should try to build infrastructure on the Jhelum and Chenab for complete course diversion of both rivers in the next 4 years of his term. Before the 2029 elections, Pakistan will act up again because after this, NO ONE (internal opposition, internal and external state/non-state actors, and the West) wants Modi or a similar (RSS) person to become PM of India.
 
JConline said:
Ideally, Modi should try to build infrastructure on the Jhelum and Chenab for complete course diversion of both rivers in the next 4 years of his term. Before the 2029 elections, Pakistan will act up again because after this, NO ONE (internal opposition, internal and external state/non-state actors, and the West) wants Modi or a similar (RSS) person to become PM of India.
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Almost all of water in Chenab is from Himachal the place of origin in Himachal, ideally the river can be diverted with in HP only, whatever water left can be stopped in Jammu …

Jhelum even the kashmiri mullas want more water for themselves then sending to thr biradars in porkistan, GOI can increase the capacity of dams and build sm canals within J&K
 
Tumba said:
Almost all of water in Chenab is from Himachal the place of origin in Himachal, ideally the river can be diverted with in HP only, whatever water left can be stopped in Jammu …

Jhelum even the kashmiri mullas want more water for themselves then sending to thr biradars in porkistan, GOI can increase the capacity of dams and build sm canals within J&K
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Not really have great Civil engineering knowledge but a big Tunnel / Canal -probably combination of underground pipeline + overhead canal having a reservoir/storage every 15 kms connecting all 6 rivers starting at Indus, Chenab , Jhelum , Ravi , satluj , Beas . Than Punjab will agree to complete SYL canal to transfer water to Yamuna and IG canal to Rajasthan

This will transfer as needed/desired water to full fill need of JK, Punjab, Haryana, Delhi, Rajasthan

This can be project of National and defense importance on line of Konkan railway , Delhi Metro corporation, can probably finish this in 10 years. Probably will be huge Financial cost as well which India can bear.

I also seen a "Khan sir" video where he explained Pakistan can bear cost of "sharda-Yamuna river link canal" (near Nepal border to Haryana border)- as that can full fill water need of North west India and in return porkis can keep using IWT water - that also make some sense.
 
When it comes to actual water diversion Chenab is the lowest hanging fruit. Chenab has a flow of around 32 BCM you can divert some 4-5 BCM by extending Ranbeer canal. If you build the proposed Chenab Ravi tunnel and divert water into Solang nalah that should be another 4-5 BCM. In total with both of these we can divert about 30% of Chenab’s water. But we would need more to completely deny Chenab’s water to Pakistan.

Another point to be noted is that for 4-5 BCM for the Solang nalah tunnel is actually the current proposal. We could see a possible increase in that if it is hydrologically possible.

Edit: yeah there is no clear answer about about how much water the tunnel would divert so it would only be known once the DPR is complete.
 
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truthsoldier said:
While it's likely that several Pakistani jets were downed by us but downplayed to provide Pak with an off-ramp, I find it hard that a mid-air refueller was amongst them as such large debris would be nearly impossible to conceal. Somebody somewhere would have recorded a video if it was downed in a densely populated Pak province
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i never really understood GoI's need to provide Pak an off-ramp. when you have the enemy by the balls, why provide him an escape route? not very characteristic of BJP/Doval

similarly, IAF is mum on PAF planes downed (even though they hinted at Pak Mirage) or their pilots captured/KIA (reqd by Geneva convention). no idea why

i can understand for a minute that GoI indeed bungled up the ceasefire and let go of a golden opportunity, but there is still some flesh that can be extracted from the pakis yet.


baffles me beyond end why our people suddenly got so muted with the de-escalation. what was the need to provide pak any shred of dignity? :frusty:
 
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delta said:
i never really understood GoI's need to provide Pak an off-ramp. when you have the enemy by the balls, why provide him an escape route? not very characteristic of BJP/Doval

similarly, IAF is mum on PAF planes downed (even though they hinted at Pak Mirage) or their pilots captured/KIA (reqd by Geneva convention). no idea why

i can understand for a minute that GoI indeed bungled up the ceasefire and let go of a golden opportunity, but there is still some flesh that can be extracted from the pakis yet.


baffles me beyond end why our people suddenly got so muted with the de-escalation. what was the need to provide pak any shred of dignity? :frusty:
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Because they want to go back to Ekanami and Dhandho and Manuphacturing after giving them a befitting beating.

A proper committed war to either defang them or Final Solution to the Pakistani problem will result in sanctions of overt or unstated variety, loss of investment, dhandho etc aside from the usual results of war like casualties and money being spent like flowing water.

My only problem with the cheese-fire is it was on Uncle Sam's terms, not Pakis coming on their knees and begging us for a ceasefire, which they would have after 3-4 days of intense operations.

Govt objective is to economy maxxx, their objective isn't to put an end to the Paki, or destroy their conventional capabilities in a war, Paki is just a gandu who does ungli to you, then you can't bear and give him a good thrashing, then you go back to your bijness, while he copes and seethes in poverty :pmegusta:
 
shade2 said:
Because they want to go back to Ekanami and Dhandho and Manuphacturing after giving them a befitting beating.

A proper committed war to either defang them or Final Solution to the Pakistani problem will result in sanctions of overt or unstated variety, loss of investment, dhandho etc aside from the usual results of war like casualties and money being spent like flowing water.

My only problem with the cheese-fire is it was on Uncle Sam's terms, not Pakis coming on their knees and begging us for a ceasefire, which they would have after 3-4 days of intense operations.

Govt objective is to economy maxxx, their objective isn't to put an end to the Paki, or destroy their conventional capabilities in a war, Paki is just a gandu who does ungli to you, then you can't bear and give him a good thrashing, then you go back to your bijness, while he copes and seethes in poverty :pmegusta:
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If the IAF was aware of likely ceasefire on 10th May afternoor

Why did it not go for Bholari type overkills

PAF Faisal , PAF Masroor , PAF Kamra

Many hangers with JF-17 , SAAB Erieye would have been ducks for back to back Brahmos/SCALP
 
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