ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[ArjunMK1A]

Very a complete redesign from scratch... you can't just draw lines & expect it to work!

They tried to alter the Rafale & call it TEDBF & now everyday it looks more like Rafale

ADA/ADE intentionally benchmarked TEDBF against Rafale. So it is pretty much Indian version of Rafale with slight difference.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

My concept ALCA was on similar lines as the Novi Avion only.

You may not convert a legacy Tejas LCA to stealth, but you can convert a stealthy AMCA to a single engine light fighter based off it. as our Sainik sir opined HAL/ADA should have done much before. I'd even come up with isometric views from al 3 sides.
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I'm avoiding DSI due to more stealth hence the only other option is of F-22.
- 1 engine of F414 class or AL-31/41/F-100/110 class initially. If USA gives just the F135 engine then nice But still F-35 TWR is not like F-22.
- 2 side intakes to make some IWB & SWB.
- IWB can carry 4 BVR-AAMs or 2 AGMs. Each SWB can carry 1, may be 2 CCMs, depends on size.
- half length all-moving rudder which can be researched into tail-less or rotating rudder-stab.
- Wing shape & size not determined yet.
- Some people might want canards for Naval model.
The 1st/top one's fuselage outline looks like cousin of Su-75 (F-22 inlet cut half width-wise)
The middle one like child of Su-57 + F-22 (F-22 inlet cut half height-wise)
The below one like younger sibling of F-35 (F-22 inlet reduced to 1/4th quadrant)
NOTE: These are notional & not to scale.

 

[DancingPeacock]

I'm avoiding DSI due to more stealth hence the only other option is of F-22.
- 1 engine of F414 class or AL-31/41/F-100/110 class initially. If USA gives just the F135 engine then nice But still F-35 TWR is not like F-22.
- 2 side intakes to make some IWB & SWB.
- IWB can carry 4 BVR-AAMs or 2 AGMs. Each SWB can carry 1, may be 2 CCMs, depends on size.
- half length all-moving rudder which can be researched into tail-less or rotating rudder-stab.
- Wing shape & size not determined yet.
- Some people might want canards for Naval model.
The 1st/top one's fuselage outline looks like cousin of Su-75 (F-22 inlet cut half width-wise)
The middle one like child of Su-57 + F-22 (F-22 inlet cut half height-wise)
The below one like younger sibling of F-35 (F-22 inlet reduced to 1/4th quadrant)
NOTE: These are notional & not to scale.

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You can look at Mitsubishi X-2 shinshin for inspiration. Although it got 2 engines they are of half the thrust of F-414 class with 25kN dry and 50kN wet. It also got some 13-Ton MTOW which can be increased i think.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

You can look at Mitsubishi X-2 shinshin for inspiration. Although it got 2 engines they are of half the thrust of F-414 class with 25kN dry and 50kN wet. It also got some 13-Ton MTOW which can be increased i think.

Personally i'm twin engine jet minded. Redundancy is good thing & if 1 engine fails then other engine should be sufficient to make the jet RTB (return To Base) safely.
But some people also prefer 1 engine jet in medium weight category due to less maintenance cost & time. So i'm putting up these. Otherwise these same frontal notions can be assumed for twin engines also.

 

[jaijaganath]

It seems mk2 will face few more delay take it as punch of salt but tarmak media has given hint

Take it as punch of salt

 

[Gurmeet]

It seems mk2 will face few more delay take it as punch of salt but tarmak media has given hint

Take it as punch of salt

Where??

 

[jaijaganath]

Where??

Just had a convo with a person on X
And tmh posted a long tweet on X giving updates and had written that mk2 might anticipate some delays
Anyways not very significant, its matter of 1-2 months he says bcoz some important lru will arrive bit late

 

[AGNI 6 ICBM]

Tejas mk2

Modifications which i want

1. TVC DRDO Jv 120 Kn in place of F414
2. EOTS instead of IRST
3. Stealth weapons pod of 1500 kg with 2 x Astra mk 3

 

[AGNI 6 ICBM]

 

[Asmodeus]

Can I buy those??

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[AGNI 6 ICBM]

Tejas Mk2 is absolute beast

Multi-role configuration
2 x Rudram 2 / Rudram 3 🕉
4 x Astra BVR
4 X NG-ccm
& can carry 1,300 L drop tank in central pylon

IMO our Rafale equivalent

 

[AGNI 6 ICBM]

ASTRA BVR
NG-ccm
SAAW
1700 L drop tank
1300 L drop tank
Rudram 2 🕉
LDP
Glide bomb

 

[Bleh]

ASTRA BVR
NG-ccm
SAAW
1700 L drop tank
1300 L drop tank
Rudram 2 🕉
LDP
Glide bomb
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Where's the photos from?

 

[AGNI 6 ICBM]

EOTS ?
Sensor for ?

 

[AGNI 6 ICBM]

View attachment 21347EOTS ?
Sensor for ?
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Same Sensor on spine of Tejas Mk 2 ! ....... To cover / track IR signature in upper hemisphere ?

2 sensors on spine and 2 sensors on belly

2 forward sensors & 2 backward sensors

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

3. Stealth weapons pod of 1500 kg with 2 x Astra mk 3

4gen jets entire airframe design is NOT as per stealth guidelines. So stealth pod won't improve overall RCS. And even with 5gen it is not suited bcoz it becomes liability after dispensing its load, can't be dropped w/o parachute due to stealth material, certainly not into enemy territory during strike or evasion.

Tejas Mk2 is absolute beast

The current beast is J-36

EOTS ?
Sensor for ?View attachment 21363
Same Sensor on spine of Tejas Mk 2 ! ....... To cover / track IR signature in upper hemisphere ?
2 sensors on spine and 2 sensors on belly
2 forward sensors & 2 backward sensors

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DAS sensors.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

What's the purpose of such a sensor suite? 360° IR coverage?

Yes, DAS sensors act as optical MAWS (Missile Approach Warning System) & ID & tracking of ground objects.

 

[AbRaj]

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Two jets Grape

 

[AbRaj]

Tejas Mk2 is absolute beast

Multi-role configuration
2 x Rudram 2 / Rudram 3 🕉
4 x Astra BVR
4 X NG-ccm
& can carry 1,300 L drop tank in central pylon

IMO our Rafale equivalent

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LCA marrk Two….. Wow wow wow ……Grape

 

[shade2]

https://aninews.in/news/national/general-news/indian-team-to-visit-us-for-ge-414-engine-talks-aims-to-finalise-deal-by-march-end20250121203527/

Indian team to visit US for GE-414 engine talks, aims to finalise deal by March-end

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New Delhi (India), January 21 (ANI): Amid efforts to advance indigenous aircraft programmes, a team from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is scheduled to visit the US in the coming weeks for negotiations on the GE-414 engine deal, which the aerospace firm aims to finalise by the end of March this year.
The team visiting the facilities of the American engine manufacturer is expected to hold detailed discussions on all aspects of the programme and prepare for an early signing of the project, defence officials told ANI.
The current discussions for the GE-414 engine deal cover 99 engines, but the number could increase if the engine is also selected for the fifth-generation aircraft programme, the officials said.
The level of transfer of technology promised by GE Aerospace is very high and it will certainly help in boosting the capabilities of the country in this field, they said.
India has been facing challenges due to delays in the supply of jet engines for its LCA Mark 1A and LCA Mark 2 programmes.


While the GE-404 engine supplies for the 83 LCA Mark 1A project have been delayed due to supply chain issues faced by GE globally while the GE-414 project has not yet been signed and may delay the prestigious LCA Mark2 project which are planned to be inducted in large numbers as a 4.5 generation aircraft.
The LCA Mark 2 is expected to replace the Mirage-2000, Jaguar, and MiG-29 fighter jet fleets in the Indian Air Force.
Globally, only a few countries have the capability to manufacture jet engines, including the US, France, the UK, and Russia.
Most fighter jets worldwide are powered by American, Russian, or European engines.
India has now started working to develop an engine of its own and may be aligning with a global manufacturer soon in this regard. (ANI)

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Let's hope this Deal happens and isn't delayed because Trump wants to milk us for more jaziya purchases