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Chengdu factory already stop production of J10, and handover the production line to Guizhou factory for export only. J10 in PLAAF would just stop as 400 something, and J20 already around 70 per yr as production rate.
Shenyang factory will be full speed on J35 and J16 production.
Mighty Dragon - China's expanding fleet of next gen J-20s
Over 11 months, from July 2023 to May 2024, the PLAAF inducted more than 70 J-20s according to Janes assessments made using satellite imagery.
The PLAAF itself has said that it began inducting steady numbers of the aircraft from September 2022. Initial production of the type was used to replace second and third generation, and obsolete, I might add, J-11s and Sukhoi SU-27-SK/UKBs. Janes assesses that the service is currently operating approximately 195 J-20s. This map shows all 12 known PLAAF air brigades currently equipped with the J-20 and operational in China. Several units also operate older fourth- and third-generation aircraft. As you can see on the map, these are likely to be retired in favour of additional J-20s going forward.
According to Janes Satellite Imagery Analysis up to July of 2023, the PLAAF operated at least eight air brigades with varied numbers of J-20s, including two training units, the 172nd and 176th Air Brigades. Of course, of the eight, one brigade was wholly equipped with the type. As of May 2024 however, the total number of air brigades operating J-20s rose to 12 air brigades that we currently know about, out of which three air brigades are wholly equipped with the type. This again reflects the PLAAF's plan to eventually replace its older aircraft with either the J-20 or the multirole Shenyang J-16, which is a 4. 5-generation aircraft. These are the four air brigades recently equipped with J-20s.
Their deployment location shows where China is seeking to strengthen fifth-generation air power. For example, take Southern Theater Command which exercises power over the South China Sea. This theatre command operated just one air brigade with J-20s up to 2023. However, Janes Satellite Imagery Analysis assesses that the PLAAF's fourth air brigade, located at Foshan near China's South Coast, could also be converting to J-20s. The J-20s appear to have replaced the brigade's erstwhile contingent of Russian origin Sukhoi 27s. A second air brigade and its theatre command, possibly the 54th Air Brigade, could also be inducting J-20s. Janes has identified several serial numbers on J-20s associated with this air brigade.
Meanwhile, the remit of the PLA's Eastern Theater Command, or ETC, covers Southeastern China, including the financial hub of Shanghai, the East China Sea, and the Taiwan Strait. Now, this theatre command regularly conducts aerial operations around Taiwan and projects air power towards the Western Pacific and Japan. In 2023 a unit in Eastern Theater Command, the 41st Air Brigade, began receiving J-20s. At least six J-20s were observed in satellite imagery dated November 2023. The new J-20s could replace the older Shenyang J-11As and J-11BS aircraft operated by this brigade. The unit could also potentially add some Shenyang J-16 multirole combat aircraft. Eastern Theater Command already operated two brigades of J-20s up to 2023, including the 8th Air Brigade and the 9th Air Brigade, which is the PLAAF's oldest J-20 operator. According to state-owned media, the 9th Air Brigade inducted its first J-20 in 2019. The influx of additional J- 20s into Eastern Theatre Command appears to be encouraging the PLAAF to operate the type more frequently. Chinese state-owned media again says that J-20s in Eastern Theatre Command conducted drills around Taiwan in May 2024 during the PLA's Exercise 'Joint Sword 2024'. Meanwhile, on China's western areas in Western Theater Command, this force had just one air brigade with J-20s up to 2023. However, a second air brigade, the 97th Air Brigade, is now inducting J-20s. China is expected to add additional improvements to the J-20 going forward. The programme is also expected to benefit future Chinese stealth aircraft projects such as the J-31 and J-35, which are expected to enter service with the PLA Navy.
If China succeeds in maturing the WS-15 engine and improving the thrust-to-weight ratio of its WS-10 series of engines, it will eliminate its dependence on Russian engines for domestically developed combat aircraft. This will almost certainly allow Chengdu to produce greater numbers of the J-20 for the PLAAF. This has implications for the balance of military power in the region. However, greater production of the J-20 is also possibly limited by cost. The unit price of the J-20 is approximately USD110 million. However, China's growing defence budget is expected to support additional procurement of this aircraft. The chart that has just appeared shows China's proposed and total defence budget for 2024, amounting to USD232 billion, according to official state media. This figure includes both the official budget announced by Beijing and elements non-declared.
The new expenditure represents a nominal year-on-year increase of 7.2%, the same rate of growth announced in 2023. China's continued induction of J-20s could also lead to the United States and its allies to deploy larger forces of US F-35s in the region. The J-20 could also drive regional countries such as Japan, South Korea, and India to hasten their fifth- and sixth-generation fighter aircraft projects.
Mighty Dragon - China's expanding fleet of next gen J-20s
The Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) has equipped additional combat units with the Chengdu J-20 'Mighty Dragon' fifth-generation stealth fighter.
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my post was not delete in fact my main idea still is there, so what? does it prove your point? no still aircraft use rivets and screws and painting hides it
only a person of low IQ can think aircraft have no access panels, screws, rivets and are totally smooth in fact it is so low IQ to think they are totally hermetic since friction changes the size of panels thus totally smooth is impossible plus air friction peels off RAM coatings
A closer look at Su57 in Zhuhai Airshow, maybe this is the reason why India cancelled cooperation aftee invested billions of dollars.
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While the Su-57 displayed was far from stealthy, this hardly reflected poorly on the overall program. This was due to the fact that the fighter was not a serial production model, but an early prototype - namely airframe T-50-4 which was only the fourth prototype ever built in the early 2010s. The second aircraft delivered for static display, too, was only slight better, and was prototype number T-50-7. Individually built prototype aircraft across all fifth generation fighter programs have been far from stealthy, with Western sources seeking to criticise Russia’s combat aviation industry having consistently published pictures of Su-57 prototypes to assert that Russian industry’s attempt to produce a stealth fighter has resulted in a very poor quality aircraft. While there is little double that the Su-57 is less stealthy than the latest Chinese J-20 and American F-35 fifth generation fighters, the Russian aircraft’s stealth capabilities are nevertheless considered respectable with the quality of serial production aircraft shown to be high. The Russian Defence Ministry released the first images of the Su-57s in serial production in August 2020, with indicators such as the tolerances on the skin panels highlighting a far superior production quality.
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Zhuhai Airshow: Why Criticism of the Russian Su-57 Fighter’s Production Quality is Misplaced
Zhuhai Airshow: Why Criticism of the Russian Su-57 Fighter’s Production Quality is Misplaced
The Russian Su-57 fifth generation fighter has made its first appearance at a foreign airshow with the arrival of two aircraft at the Zhuhai international airshow. The
militarywatchmagazine.com
Zhuhai Airshow: Why Criticism of the Russian Su-57 Fighter’s Production Quality is Misplaced
The Russian Su-57 fifth generation fighter has made its first appearance at a foreign airshow with the arrival of two aircraft at the Zhuhai international airshow. The
militarywatchmagazine.com
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While the Su-57 displayed was far from stealthy, this hardly reflected poorly on the overall program. This was due to the fact that the fighter was not a serial production model, but an early prototype - namely airframe T-50-4 which was only the fourth prototype ever built in the early 2010s. The second aircraft delivered for static display, too, was only slight better, and was prototype number T-50-7. Individually built prototype aircraft across all fifth generation fighter programs have been far from stealthy, with Western sources seeking to criticise Russia’s combat aviation industry having consistently published pictures of Su-57 prototypes to assert that Russian industry’s attempt to produce a stealth fighter has resulted in a very poor quality aircraft. While there is little double that the Su-57 is less stealthy than the latest Chinese J-20 and American F-35 fifth generation fighters, the Russian aircraft’s stealth capabilities are nevertheless considered respectable with the quality of serial production aircraft shown to be high. The Russian Defence Ministry released the first images of the Su-57s in serial production in August 2020, with indicators such as the tolerances on the skin panels highlighting a far superior production quality.
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A closer look at Su57 in Zhuhai Airshow, maybe this is the reason why India cancelled cooperation aftee invested billions of dollars.
Zhuhai Airshow: Why Criticism of the Russian Su-57 Fighter’s Production Quality is Misplaced
Zhuhai Airshow: Why Criticism of the Russian Su-57 Fighter’s Production Quality is Misplaced
The Russian Su-57 fifth generation fighter has made its first appearance at a foreign airshow with the arrival of two aircraft at the Zhuhai international airshow. The
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While the Su-57 displayed was far from stealthy, this hardly reflected poorly on the overall program. This was due to the fact that the fighter was not a serial production model, but an early prototype - namely airframe T-50-4 which was only the fourth prototype ever built in the early 2010s. The second aircraft delivered for static display, too, was only slight better, and was prototype number T-50-7. Individually built prototype aircraft across all fifth generation fighter programs have been far from stealthy, with Western sources seeking to criticise Russia’s combat aviation industry having consistently published pictures of Su-57 prototypes to assert that Russian industry’s attempt to produce a stealth fighter has resulted in a very poor quality aircraft. While there is little double that the Su-57 is less stealthy than the latest Chinese J-20 and American F-35 fifth generation fighters, the Russian aircraft’s stealth capabilities are nevertheless considered respectable with the quality of serial production aircraft shown to be high. The Russian Defence Ministry released the first images of the Su-57s in serial production in August 2020, with indicators such as the tolerances on the skin panels highlighting a far superior production quality.
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Production Variant Su-57’s Screws, Welding and Rivets Are Exposed At Zhuhai Airshow
This is the first time Su-57 has participated in an air show abroad, and it has become clear now why the Russians never allowed spectators to get close to it. You don’t need to be an aerospac…
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crap propaganda for low IQ peopleA closer look at Su57 in Zhuhai Airshow, maybe this is the reason why India cancelled cooperation aftee invested billions of dollars.
Zhuhai Airshow: Why Criticism of the Russian Su-57 Fighter’s Production Quality is Misplaced
Zhuhai Airshow: Why Criticism of the Russian Su-57 Fighter’s Production Quality is Misplaced
The Russian Su-57 fifth generation fighter has made its first appearance at a foreign airshow with the arrival of two aircraft at the Zhuhai international airshow. The
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While the Su-57 displayed was far from stealthy, this hardly reflected poorly on the overall program. This was due to the fact that the fighter was not a serial production model, but an early prototype - namely airframe T-50-4 which was only the fourth prototype ever built in the early 2010s. The second aircraft delivered for static display, too, was only slight better, and was prototype number T-50-7. Individually built prototype aircraft across all fifth generation fighter programs have been far from stealthy, with Western sources seeking to criticise Russia’s combat aviation industry having consistently published pictures of Su-57 prototypes to assert that Russian industry’s attempt to produce a stealth fighter has resulted in a very poor quality aircraft. While there is little double that the Su-57 is less stealthy than the latest Chinese J-20 and American F-35 fifth generation fighters, the Russian aircraft’s stealth capabilities are nevertheless considered respectable with the quality of serial production aircraft shown to be high. The Russian Defence Ministry released the first images of the Su-57s in serial production in August 2020, with indicators such as the tolerances on the skin panels highlighting a far superior production quality.
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J-20 has rivets too easy to see the only difference is paint is more homogeneous
more rivets and screws easy too see, you should go to the oculist you have CCP blindness
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more crap for low IQ anti-Russian propaganda.
Chinese J-20 has canards and fixed intakes reducing pressure recovery and reducing static thrust, this translate in lower super cruise capability, since crap aold J-20 has blanketed vertical dorsal fins by the fuselage at high AoA Chinese designers add ventral fins which is a no stealth feature, add crap J-20 has two canards not aligned to the wings adding a second reflecting surface frontaly, dream Chinese the Americans will beat China and Russia will join them
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Are they not aware that it's a prototype?
India Air Force didn't it but still cancelled it?
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The reason for rejection by IAF was not the rough biuld quality, su 57 is not as stealthy as other 5th gen, exposed engines from the intake, no s duct, completely exposed engine from the back, not eots etc.
But the topic here is rough biuld quality in the photos, as it's a prototype it is expected of it to have rough finishing/biuld quality.
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50% agree with you. Su57 dissapointed IAF after it revealed to IAF, plus even at this stage it refused share tech to India after India invested billions of dollars.
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Let’s Talk About The Su-57 And The Radar Blockers Allegedly Sighted For The First Time Inside The Felon’s Air Intake
Let's Talk About The Su-57 And The Radar Blockers Allegedly Sighted For The First Time Inside The Felon's Air Intake
The Su-57 Felon's radar blockers were allegedly exposed by a video part of a longer feature aired by Russian television for the centenary of the Chkalov
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S intake duct requieres more material thus is heavier add distorts the air flowing so Radar blockers are in SU-57
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China will fall like the empire of Japan and your laugh will turn into tears the Americans will beat you CCP will go like the nazi party as a shameful part of history and your J-20 will end of like the zero, dream you know inside you will lose
I suddenly realized IAF noticed how bad it was 15 yrs ago when they saw it, but most Chinese had chance just in 2024.
It's like Mig25 suddenly exposed to western world and people knew how bad was.
Japanese and U.S. Specialists Dismantling MIG‐25 (Published 1976)
dismantlement by Japanese and US experts continues; discover craft is mfd from steel alloy planes, has lower speed than previously thought and probably has poor acceleration; illus (M)
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