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Chinese shill who was also chinese origin Canadian colonel in what is now DS & MSS infested WAB once quipped: Chinese shall fight India till last Pakistani.

I think we should blind destabilize any Chinese satellites overpassing India. We need high power lasers and quick deployable sattelites which can ever so slightly nudge Chinese sat out of orbit.
 

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Buxom babe & Clutterji's latest squeeze Swasti Rao interviewing Brig ( Rtd) Narang & Jaydev Ranade ( ex Addl Secretary R&AW) on China's strategy to destabilize India.

Understanding China's strategy vis a vis India is a full time job . I've linked the earlier two podcasts on the same topic pretty much covering similar grounds with a twist .

Unlike the episode featuring Lt Gen Shukla & the one featuring Ambassador Shukla ( no relationship ) which focused on the inner workings of the CCP & it's relationship to the PLA , this one features Chinese strategy to handle India.

Apparently the Chinese were on to what Fauji Foundation was upto in Pahalgam & supported the latter with ISR for preparations in the form of satellite imagery as per Brig Narang. This is a huge development if true.

Both Mr Ranade & Brig Narang seem convinced that China wouldn't initiate anything with India but encourage Paxtan to fight their war equipping them with the arms required & the finances.

I'm not too sure I agree with the entire analysis for Paxtan is much too fragile to undertake what the Chinese desire which could well be a full fledged war . Besides as long as the US is around they'd definitely seek to prevent the outbreak of such a war by hook or by crook.

However if the internal security situation breaks down in Paxtan which is where we seem headed then Munira would be tempted to itch the scratch called India once again.

Chinese policy on India thereafter would be dictated by what happens in case of a decisive Indo Pak encounter. If whatever the action we undertake permanently destabilizes Paxtan to the extent of triggering its downfall then China will have us in their cross hair.

The IA has already openly accused China of colluding with Paxtan something they've neither denied nor acknowledged. Our MEA has maintained a studious silence.

Having bared their fangs ( prematurely in Doklam , Galwan & in Operation Sindoor ) there's no way they'd back off IMO.

Hence I very much see them calling on us before Taiwan to safeguard their western borders. More so since if they don't , we will definitely attempt something to pay back for what they've done in Pahalgam & later during Operation Sindoor apart from older issues bedeviling our relations.

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Don't think they will directly take us.
If they find us as a legit threat even over the Taiwan anschluss project like you suggest,

They will arm the Piglet mulq to the teeth and then set them after us.
They will also join in but it will be via airstrikes and missiles being lobbed at us, I don't expect a serious push across the Himalayas.

Basically the Ukraine model, China is US/West, Pakistan is Ukraine, we are Russia.

Except unlike there where GAYTO homos are scared of the 8000 nuclear warheads of Vladimir Putin, the Ching will openly hit us via his jets and missiles because of our good boi religious devotion to NFU
 
Chinese shill who was also chinese origin Canadian colonel in what is now DS & MSS infested WAB once quipped: Chinese shall fight India till last Pakistani.

I think we should blind destabilize any Chinese satellites overpassing India. We need high power lasers and quick deployable sattelites which can ever so slightly nudge Chinese sat out of orbit.
Don't think they will directly take us.
If they find us as a legit threat even over the Taiwan anschluss project like you suggest,

They will arm the Piglet mulq to the teeth and then set them after us.
They will also join in but it will be via airstrikes and missiles being lobbed at us, I don't expect a serious push across the Himalayas.

Basically the Ukraine model, China is US/West, Pakistan is Ukraine, we are Russia.

Except unlike there where GAYTO homos are scared of the 8000 nuclear warheads of Vladimir Putin, the Ching will openly hit us via his jets and missiles because of our good boi religious devotion to NFU
Both these analyses are predicated on Paxtan being in a position to directly confront India. They're not. As days turn to weeks & weeks to months their internal security situation will go down the drain along with their economy.

China can pump as many plane & ship loads of arms they can possibly unload on Paxtan , where's the oil to sustain them going to come from ?

The Gulf Sheikhdoms won't subsidise Paxtan beyond a point when it's in a war with India & antagonise us . Besides we've a choke hold on their ports. Whatever we were wargaming here before Operation Sindoor began will see fruition in the next round namely the destruction of their air & naval assets possibly with their N infrastructure also permanently damaged.

Once even 2/3 of the above are accomplished , Fauji Foundation will literally be rendered toothless , good enough to accomplish skirmishes BAT action or even terrorism along the LoC & IB possibly across the entire length of the latter up until Kutch but nothing on the lines we'd expect a professional army to undertake.

Besides I don't think China will join in actively to assist Paxtan if whatever scenario I'm painting above is undertaken in the next few months to a year. Beyond that who knows ?!

The full fledged invasion of Taiwan or action against us preceding Taiwan which I'm anticipating , will occur only after 2027-28 , when the PLA would've successfully undertaken their first phase of comprehensive modernization / upgradation & theater ization & not before .

Let me elaborate why do I think so too. I believe there's a full fledged power struggle on between the various factions in China . Add to that the economic downturn which they're undergoing & then factor in Trump & his shenanigans along with the Europeans joining forces to levy tariffs.

China has very little manoeuvring space as it will then have to depend on the the rest of the world markets minus the West. India offers a huge market & the balance of trade is in favour of the Chinese which is poised to go up.

This will continue to be the situation for the next 2 years by which time the internal & external situation for China would've deteriorated to the extent that Xi's political future would be at stake. Then all bets are off. China's not reached that situation just now.

That there is our window of opportunity . We need to finish off Fauji Foundation before that window of opportunity closes. So whether Munira moves or not we will , for we've no choice in the matter. It's either Paxtan or us . That I believe is GoI's calculation.

I believe this to be the reason Operation Sindoor hasn't been called off. We'd give Fauji Foundation up until the rest of the year to return for Round 2. If they don't , I believe we'd initiate it next year.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Both these analyses are predicated on Paxtan being in a position to directly confront India. They're not. As days turn to weeks & weeks to months their internal security situation will go down the drain along with their economy.

China can pump as many plane & ship loads of arms they can possibly unload on Paxtan , where's the oil to sustain them going to come from ?

The Gulf Sheikhdoms won't subsidise Paxtan beyond a point when it's in a war with India & antagonise us . Besides we've a choke hold on their ports. Whatever we were wargaming here before Operation Sindoor began will see fruition in the next round namely the destruction of their air & naval assets possibly with their N infrastructure also permanently damaged.

Once even 2/3 of the above are accomplished , Fauji Foundation will literally be rendered toothless , good enough to accomplish skirmishes BAT action or even terrorism along the LoC & IB possibly across the entire length of the latter up until Kutch but nothing on the lines we'd expect a professional army to undertake.

Besides I don't think China will join in actively to assist Paxtan if whatever scenario I'm painting above is undertaken in the next few months to a year. Beyond that who knows ?!

The full fledged invasion of Taiwan or action against us preceding Taiwan which I'm anticipating , will occur only after 2027-28 , when the PLA would've successfully undertaken their first phase of comprehensive modernization / upgradation & theater ization & not before .

Let me elaborate why do I think so too. I believe there's a full fledged power struggle on between the various factions in China . Add to that the economic downturn which they're undergoing & then factor in Trump & his shenanigans along with the Europeans joining forces to levy tariffs.

China has very little manoeuvring space as it will then have to depend on the the rest of the world markets minus the West. India offers a huge market & the balance of trade is in favour of the Chinese which is poised to go up.

This will continue to be the situation for the next 2 years by which time the internal & external situation for China would've deteriorated to the extent that Xi's political future would be at stake. Then all bets are off. China's not reached that situation just now.

That there is our window of opportunity . We need to finish off Fauji Foundation before that window of opportunity closes. So whether Munira moves or not we will , for we've no choice in the matter. It's either Paxtan or us . That I believe is GoI's calculation.

I believe this to be the reason Operation Sindoor hasn't been called off. We'd give Fauji Foundation up until the rest of the year to return for Round 2. If they don't , I believe we'd initiate it next year.

Just my 2 cents.

You make valid points. But I am just wondering if Chinese make a move on India first before Taiwan, how will that play out? India is also a nuclear armed country so they have to take that in to their calculations. Let's assume the conflict will be over in 4-8 months time because once winter sets in Chinese cannot be having any fantasies of ground invasion. If they have invaded already then rest in peace their logistics network and their troops on Indian soil will be piece meal for Indian forces.

Regardless of the result they will get a bloody nose. They would need 3-5 years to learn the lessons of war and recoup any losses on their side especially equipment which needs to be replaced. Now because Chinese already made a move on us, it is with 100% certainty India will be a thorn on their side if they ever make a move on Taiwan. India will see that as an opportunity to open another front. If they make a move on Taiwan first, India will most likely adopt wait and watch approch. If the US goes all in then maybe we might open our front to make them retreat further back. If the US has not put it's dog(Porkistan) under leash then it's likely we will be going up against them as well. It is also possible Chinese might also be preparing for a 2 or many front war.

We should finish off Porkis before or cripple them fully by then. There should be no holding back next time. Within 24 hours all their military infrastructure should be laid to waste with our missiles and no mercy should be shown like we did recently.
 
Don't think they will directly take us.
If they find us as a legit threat even over the Taiwan anschluss project like you suggest,

They will arm the Piglet mulq to the teeth and then set them after us.
They will also join in but it will be via airstrikes and missiles being lobbed at us, I don't expect a serious push across the Himalayas.

Basically the Ukraine model, China is US/West, Pakistan is Ukraine, we are Russia.

Except unlike there where GAYTO homos are scared of the 8000 nuclear warheads of Vladimir Putin, the Ching will openly hit us via his jets and missiles because of our good boi religious devotion to NFU
Ukraine model is underpinned by one fact. No assassination of top leadership. If we do what israeli's did to Iran, porkie army will immediately run out of pakistanis to fight.

So, Our strategy should be to go after PA command. Liquidate their High Ranking Officials leaving the Single General but water clean all other officers.
 
You make valid points. But I am just wondering if Chinese make a move on India first before Taiwan, how will that play out? India is also a nuclear armed country so they have to take that in to their calculations.

The N matrix between China & India is similar to the N matrix between Paxtan & India . If we threaten them they will call out our bluff . It's the same as the N matrix between the US & China.
Let's assume the conflict will be over in 4-8 months time because once winter sets in Chinese cannot be having any fantasies of ground invasion. If they have invaded already then rest in peace their logistics network and their troops on Indian soil will be piece meal for Indian forces.
No they will not launch their India campaign after Taiwan rather it'd precede their campaign against Taiwan. I mean that's the whole idea . Pacify India before moving on Taiwan.
Regardless of the result they will get a bloody nose. They would need 3-5 years to learn the lessons of war and recoup any losses on their side especially equipment which needs to be replaced. Now because Chinese already made a move on us, it is with 100% certainty India will be a thorn on their side if they ever make a move on Taiwan.

That's always the real danger. China will aim for a quick shock & awe campaign against India hoping to close the issue in a month or two like in 1962 or Russia thinking the same in Ukraine.

The real danger is they'd slip into a wider war by miscalculations . However that won't make our lives any easier.
India will see that as an opportunity to open another front. If they make a move on Taiwan first, India will most likely adopt wait and watch approch.

Ideally we wouldn't want to interfere between China on one side & Taiwan with the US & it's allies backing it on the other. But persistent Chinese needling from Doklam onwards especially in Galwan & now in Pahalgam & Operation Sindoor has poisoned relations between both countries. There's simply no trust left.

Which is the reason China won't believe any assurances we'd give them of non interference when they're waging their campaign against Taiwan. Our guys have just woken up to this possibility.

Even after Galwan where they were in fast asleep mode earlier , they were still in semi sleep mode up until Pahalgam & Operation Sindoor.

All this talk of going on the fast track with induction of 5th Gen FAs , MRFA & so on that you're hearing now & many members here mistaking it for our response to Paxtan getting the J-35 , is on account of our up coming war against China.

Irrespective of Paxtan getting another 40 J-10CE & 40 J-35 , it doesn't make any difference to the eventual result of any Indo Pak conflict except the rate of casualties & assets lost will be more on our side.
If the US goes all in then maybe we might open our front to make them retreat further back.
That's another reason they will go in for us before a Taiwan campaign.
If the US has not put it's dog(Porkistan) under leash then it's likely we will be going up against them as well.
That's the reason we can't leave sorting out Paxtan any longer & certainly not in the post 2028 scenario where China's military modenization / upgradation & theater ization would be completed .

It is also possible Chinese might also be preparing for a 2 or many front war.
Maybe but not at the same time.
We should finish off Porkis before or cripple them fully by then. There should be no holding back next time. Within 24 hours all their military infrastructure should be laid to waste with our missiles and no mercy should be shown like we did recently.
Whatever happens between us & Paxtan should be decisive & must be undertaken within a year from today.

If Fauji Foundation doesn't oblige us , we ought to initiate .
 

Hahahahaha…ROFL at this idiot’s videos. India defense budget = $85 billion at $4.3 trillion. Guess what India’s defense budget will be when it is at $8 trillion in about a decade or less. It will be $200-250 billion. Porkis will be at the same military budget as today which is $8-10 billion, as they simply will not economically grow due to internal terrorism and water management/infrastructure issues. No $10 billion military is taking on a $200 billion army. Your slave dogs will be quashed like a bug. And China will be cut off from the Indian Ocean trade routes. So, behave.
 

Not wasting my time on the video for obvious reasons but going by the title let's check the GDP nominal 2024 of a few major countries who'd be part of this non India SAARC .

Paxtan has an official GDP of ~ 380 billion USD & shrinking , Bangladesh has a GDP of ~470 billion USD , Myanmar has a GDP of ~ 70 billion USD , Nepal has a GDP of ~ 50 billion USD , SL has a GDP of ~ 100 billion USD & Afghanistan has a GDP of < 20 billion USD.

However , the official statistics of Paxtan & BD are dubious. The Yunus administration themselves have released data to the effect that the Shaikh Hasina Wajed government was cooking up figures as we in India including on this forum long suspected.

Moreover practically all the countries named have either approached the IMF for loans to tide away financial crises or are in the process of doing so. SL was in the financial doldrums a few years ago defaulting on its loans with zeri FOREX reserves to even purchase food stuff or import oil & gas when China refused to write off the loans it extended to SL at inflated rates & to construct infrastructure which was of no use eventually converting them into assets of the CCP which was the plan all along.

Eventually India loaned it some 4-5 billion USD provided emergency food stuff apart from oil & gas & stood guarantor for them at the IMF. So much for China's friendship with SL.

All the aforementioned countries are in deep economic & financial turmoil. Together their GDP nominal doesn't even aggregate to 1 trillion USD. Even that figure of 1 trillion USD isn't a fourth of India's GDP nominal. Add to that the spectacular CPEC China's constructed for Paxtan for a total cost of ~ 65 billion USD once again at exorbitant interest rates with Paxtan constantly seeking loans & grants from everyone around including China.

The fact of the matter is all such infrastructure & financial projects are doomed without India's participation which is the reason the BRI in the Indian sub continent went no where after India refused to participate.

Good luck with your endeavours. Do keep peddling propaganda here as to how great this non India SAARC is doing from time to time.
 

Hahahahaha…ROFL at this idiot’s videos. India defense budget = $85 billion at $4.3 trillion. Guess what India’s defense budget will be when it is at $8 trillion in about a decade or less. It will be $200-250 billion. Porkis will be at the same military budget as today which is $8-10 billion, as they simply will not economically grow due to internal terrorism and water management/infrastructure issues. No $10 billion military is taking on a $200 billion army. Your slave dogs will be quashed like a bug. And China will be cut off from the Indian Ocean trade routes. So, behave.
when India’s defense budget reaches $200 billion, you can bring all your failed slave nations with you and India won’t even blink. You have 10 years time to harm India irreparably. After that India’s rise will put massive pressure on China as Tibetans and Taiwanese start depending on India for economic and military support. As China rapidly transitions into stagflation, mainly driven by irreversible demographic catastrophe, India’s strong demographics and market fundamentals will usher it into the top growth for decades. Once again, you have a decade to do something and if you are betting on a failed nation like Porkistan to do your bidding, then Confucius help you. Porkistan will be swatted away like the top PLA generals by Emperor Xi.
 
The N matrix between China & India is similar to the N matrix between Paxtan & India . If we threaten them they will call out our bluff . It's the same as the N matrix between the US & China.

No they will not launch their India campaign after Taiwan rather it'd precede their campaign against Taiwan. I mean that's the whole idea . Pacify India before moving on Taiwan.


That's always the real danger. China will aim for a quick shock & awe campaign against India hoping to close the issue in a month or two like in 1962 or Russia thinking the same in Ukraine.

The real danger is they'd slip into a wider war by miscalculations . However that won't make our lives any easier.


Ideally we wouldn't want to interfere between China on one side & Taiwan with the US & it's allies backing it on the other. But persistent Chinese needling from Doklam onwards especially in Galwan & now in Pahalgam & Operation Sindoor has poisoned relations between both countries. There's simply no trust left.

Which is the reason China won't believe any assurances we'd give them of non interference when they're waging their campaign against Taiwan. Our guys have just woken up to this possibility.

Even after Galwan where they were in fast asleep mode earlier , they were still in semi sleep mode up until Pahalgam & Operation Sindoor.

All this talk of going on the fast track with induction of 5th Gen FAs , MRFA & so on that you're hearing now & many members here mistaking it for our response to Paxtan getting the J-35 , is on account of our up coming war against China.

Irrespective of Paxtan getting another 40 J-10CE & 40 J-35 , it doesn't make any difference to the eventual result of any Indo Pak conflict except the rate of casualties & assets lost will be more on our side.

That's another reason they will go in for us before a Taiwan campaign.

That's the reason we can't leave sorting out Paxtan any longer & certainly not in the post 2028 scenario where China's military modenization / upgradation & theater ization would be completed .


Maybe but not at the same time.

Whatever happens between us & Paxtan should be decisive & must be undertaken within a year from today.

If Fauji Foundation doesn't oblige us , we ought to initiate .

Basically, you are saying they will first take care of our front for a practice match. Only question here is how do they know it will not blow up into a wider conflict and damage them even more thereby delaying the inevitable conflict with USA for conquest of Taiwan? If I understand anything from the minds of the Chinese that they want to win wars without fighting it. Looking at the propaganda they dish out it looks like they believe their citizens are on lower in intellect. I saw the propaganda video of their 6th generation fighter, they were showing they are knocking out A2A missiles fired from F-22 like mosquitoes. Even the most powerful Laser needs to concentrate it's power for minimum 5 seconds to destroy a missile.

I don't think they will be wasting their resources on us. I am more inclined to believe they will ask their pet dog Porkistan to do the job and they will join in if there are setbacks on our side. Just like our former army chief Bipin Rawat was saying about our security environment, a 2 front war is a possiblity. If they want to engage with us it will only be short term like you said. They will most likely use rockets and call it a day. We obviously are not prepared at least from the air force side with lesser number of combat aircraft. My only hope is we have enough Brahmos, Nirbhay, and other missiles to destroy their air bases and cut off their logistics network in Tibet.

This is the only strategy we can pursue against them. Use volley of missiles to knock out their infrastructure all over Tibet and Xinjiang. If we can hold our positions without losing an inch, then they will eventually have to back out given the terrain. But we should interfere if they go against US for Taiwan. Why do you think we shouldn't? I think that's our golden opportunity to neutralize one of our foes in our neighborhood.
 
Basically, you are saying they will first take care of our front for a practice match. Only question here is how do they know it will not blow up into a wider conflict and damage them even more thereby delaying the inevitable conflict with USA for conquest of Taiwan?

No @ practise match . That was my assessment pre Pahalgam & Operation Sindoor. What comes across quite clearly is not just their nexus with Fauji Foundation but for all practical purposes they could've instigated Munira into it once he confided in them his plans to re start terrorism in India or worse they may have planted the idea in his inbred brain .

There's no space for accommodation any more between India & China . For Round 2 their engagement with Fauji Foundation will be even more deeper than before. Preparations for it may already be underway in both Paxtan & China.

In view of the above there's no way they can ignore India when they make a move on Taiwan. They'd have to take us down or beat us comprehensively such that we lose the appetite for a war.

This is the reason I suggested a shock & awe campaign where they will unleash their entire top of the line arsenal against us . This war isn't going to be restricted to the LAC. It's going to be an all out war.

The problem with the Chinese is the section of the PLA / CMC war gaming this effort & provoking open hostilities with India believe this will be accomplished in double quick time. They seem to be driven by their own hubris.

If the war turns out in to one of attrition of which there's a very strong possibility then all bets are off. You can wager what you want they will double down in trying to deliver the killer blow . What this means is extensive targeting of industrial hubs & possibly population centers .

All that infrastructure that 56" is spending on now instead of diverting part of it on defence CAPEX will come back to bite him in his wrinkled arse if he's around then.

If I understand anything from the minds of the Chinese that they want to win wars without fighting it. Looking at the propaganda they dish out it looks like they believe their citizens are on lower in intellect. I saw the propaganda video of their 6th generation fighter, they were showing they are knocking out A2A missiles fired from F-22 like mosquitoes. Even the most powerful Laser needs to concentrate it's power for minimum 5 seconds to destroy a missile.

When the economy is down & factional fights intensify , appeals to nationalism is common. Happens all across the world especially in totalitarian countries. Besides China's had a rich history in the recent past of stirring up such troubles when then internal situation gets out of hand like it did in the terrible man made famines of the Great Leap Forward when Mao was under attack from his rivals in the CCP.

Result you had 1962 , breaking off of ties with the USSR & the Ussuri river clash in the late 1960s accompanied by the Cultural Revolution .

I don't think they will be wasting their resources on us. I am more inclined to believe they will ask their pet dog Porkistan to do the job and they will join in if there are setbacks on our side.

Ideally they don't want to waste their resources on us. Hence the propping up of Paxtan. But as I pointed out earlier Paxtan much too weakened to do great damage militarily under the N threshold. Their forte lies in asymmetrical warfare viz terrorism which has run its course in India.

They lack the wherewithal for fledged hostilities. China will be hoping Paxtan keeps probing India till the end of this decade after which they can join Paxtan in a 2 front war.

This is the reason I stated that we must take down Fauji Foundation ASAP. Deal them the killer blow from which recovery will be impossible. We spare them & they will return.

Leaderji seems to have finally understood the gravity of the situation. Hence dire statements to the effect that another terrorist attack will see reciprocal action on Fauji Foundation themselves unlike in the past where their proxies were targeted.

Just like our former army chief Bipin Rawat was saying about our security environment, a 2 front war is a possiblity. If they want to engage with us it will only be short term like you said. They will most likely use rockets and call it a day. We obviously are not prepared at least from the air force side with lesser number of combat aircraft.

Nope . If you're referring to China they'll come at us in full force & strength. Probably if Paxtan is around they'd let them do the heavy lifting while they themselves will take the back seat though I doubt this is possible.

My only hope is we have enough Brahmos, Nirbhay, and other missiles to destroy their air bases and cut off their logistics network in Tibet. This is the only strategy we can pursue against them. Use volley of missiles to knock out their infrastructure all over Tibet and Xinjiang. If we can hold our positions without losing an inch, then they will eventually have to back out given the terrain.

Our problem is we're going about the modernization & theater ization including raising of the Rocket Force , adding numbers to the IAF , induction of new platforms & armaments after zillion tests & so on at our own sweet time.
But we should interfere if they go against US for Taiwan. Why do you think we shouldn't? I think that's our golden opportunity to neutralize one of our foes in our neighborhood.
They won't intiate Taiwan without first sorting us out. Which means it all depends on in what shape will we emerge from the war against China ! As of now the prognosis isn't good .

The only silver lining is we've 5 years. The bad news is we're still not got rid of our bad habits like babudom ,etc.
 

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