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But it's only Mach 0.8

China ten yrs ago, built latest version of wind tunnel group in Mianyang city, near by SAC. It's also the biggest and fastest wind tunnels system in the world.

News in 2021, quite J36 like:


View: https://x.com/louischeung_hk/status/1433070530085601283?t=Ob9e1DWe8B29AHPVjvjb6w&s=19

News in 2023


View: https://x.com/zhao_dashuai/status/1682645492466081792?t=erENaAdq0l-hP-58w6yJ1w&s=19

Talking about new ramjet engine tested in wind tunnel.


View: https://x.com/zhao_dashuai/status/1682645496882679808?t=9BCvNFyI0mldcTv-0hnqMg&s=19
 
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correct but B-21 very likely has 2 engines, since the engines are derivatives of F135

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2 engines, even F135 derivative, are not enough for such a bomber.
Without reheat this engine is 12 to 13 tons thrust. impressive but too low for B21.
 
2 engines, even F135 derivative, are not enough for such a bomber.
Without reheat this engine is 12 to 13 tons thrust. impressive but too low for B21.
If you have official data, I can believe you but the specifications are not known
 
@helin Is this the so called stealth plane, you don't see it ...
get it you will lose, you think your J-36 means you will be the next USA but you will be the new empire of Japan and near Jerusalem you will be defeated dream CCP troll
 
get it you will lose, you think your J-36 means you will be the next USA but you will be the new empire of Japan and near Jerusalem you will be defeated dream CCP troll

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Airbus A300-600 versus McDonnell-Douglas DC-10-30
54.10 m 177 ft 6 in length 55.50 m 182 ft 1 in
44.84 m 147 ft 1 in wingspan 50.40 m 165 ft 4 in
260.00 m2 2,799 ft2 wingarea 367.70 m2 3,958 ft2
16.50 m 54 ft 2 in height 17.70 m 58 ft 1 in
2 engines 3
274 kN 61,500 lbf thrust per engine 240 kN 54,000 lbf

548 kN 123,000 lbf total thrust 720 kN 162,000 lbf
165,000 kgs 364,000 lbs MTOW 263,085 kgs 580,000 lbs
7,700 km 4,158 nm range 7,415 km 4,004 nm

M0.8 cruise speed M0.84
266 passengers capacity 250 passengers


You can apply this to J-36 versus NGAD


Extra engine needs extra fuel, that implies more weight see DC-10 is heavier than A-300, but also see A-300 carries more passengers, so actually a third engine does not bring more passengers and the fuel, seat km does not bring a better aircraft DC-10 carries more fuel for the same range and less passengers.

Airbus A300-600 vs. McDonnell-Douglas DC-10-30

Airbus A300-600 vs. McDonnell-Douglas DC-10-30
www.aviatorjoe.net

If the USA makes better engnes means less number of engines and less engines means less fuel, better thermal efficiency means then you need less fuel, less weight and less weight is a more agile fighter
China's weapons don't bother India but its expansion claiming policy does. So talking from purely technical PoV, 1 nation will lead a certain technology, like USA leading mil-tech, but if other nations can't match that latest product like engine then they can import if having friendly ties or develop less capable version of their own but obviously they'll have to compensate somehow.

On Wikipedia & elsewhere the F119 engines was also quoted earlier as 1,772 Kg then suddenly updated to be 2,272 Kg.
The F135 engine was quoted as 1,704 Kg initially which suddenly they edited to be 2,910 Kg.

The Chinese WS-15 engine is still quoted 1,600 Kg 🤔 :confusedd:

Now USA is doing R&D on XA-100/101/102/103 engines which are speculated 3+ tons dry weight.

For example, Western engines are better quality so more price Vs Russian engines less quality & price.
But a Cost-Benefit chart has to be plot in long run about CAPEX & OPEX (Captital & Operational Expenditure).
Power to Weight ratio needs to be looked at 1 Vs 2 or 2 Vs 3 engines.
Airframe SFC (Specific Fuel Consumption) values need to be calculated from engines.
If a big weapon platform has to be built then certain benefits with certain compromises may have to be done.

IDK WS-15 dry details so let's compare following 3 engines:
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We see that AL-31FP has lowest thrust, highest SFC but lowest fuel consumption.
If any Al-31FP operator who doesn't have better engine but wants to make F-22 equivalent then 3 AL-31FP engines will have to be used to have near equal thrust & weight of 2 F-119s. But fuel consumption is more by 28% due to more SFC. Had it been 17.3 the fuel used would also be almost same as 2 F-119s.
 
get it you will lose, you think your J-36 means you will be the next USA but you will be the new empire of Japan and near Jerusalem you will be defeated dream CCP troll



U r from a nation with lowest R&D in the world,

U don't have enough knowledge about morden military aviation industry, only rant left like ' you will lose... ' in a weapon based forum, bizarre.

No analysis, only used little knowledge from civil aviation industry, don't know anything about how to use civil software to simulate airframe even on a cheap PC, boring...

PLAAF now has most ongoing projects in the world:

Major aircraft platforms:

SAC: J15T, J35 af,J35 navy, J35 Export, J16, J50
CAC: J10C, J20, J20S, J36
XAC: Y20B, H20, KJ600

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Fast industrilization made China has biggest engineer group, we like to use software to simulation different plane, just for fun.

Can you even know how to install the software or setup basic environment parameters?

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Some student even used Chinese simulation software designed a M1.8 intake.

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