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No, it's desifned to counter US.

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If you only have stand and political views, but no technical analysis, all ur words here just trash.

Both J20 and J36 with huge size, means huge internal fuel. And the huge weapon bays which carry huge size missiles were designed for breaking 1st and 2nd islands chains on Pacific direcrtion, attacking Inida don't need such big planes.

Weapon desginer makes weapon for strategic aim, didn't see any details analysis from you, only rant like "u will loss blah blab blah"

Aagin u r from a nation with lowest GDP on R&D, didn't expect too much from you, just keep thread clean and specifc is what i want from you.

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poor fool, thinks he is important, you have not learnt from History, since you do not learn from your own life, In life as in politics morality counts, CCP has no morality, even you have J-36 you will lose and you know it, but I do not need to to argue with a fool, a boy who has his hormones betting in Nationalism, Globalization will win and China will lose dream fool I know what I am talking about, you will continue saying banzai, until you see what i said
 
To be frank, your generation is pathetic. Ur best age group people created biggest gap between China and India on economic and military strength from 1980 to 2000. Now you still wanted to downplay our side to make urself and audience felt better.

I can imagine some people like your age startes LCA project during 1980s with good pay and promotions by yrs, then when they got good retirement pension in 2024, the plane still half done.

I never care ur opinions in this and old forum, u r loser generation to me.

I have done business with many young Indian, they are hard working, smart, no biased, specially have open eye with the real world.
Chinese did not create anything. They surrendered themselves to the Americans and obtained a trillion dollar FDI which built Chinese factories from 1991 till 2010 and made China export capable.

Show me anything Chinese. Every bit is a copy of something in the west. Chinese are copy masters.

If exports disappear today then Chinese will become pauper tomorrow.
 
Chinese did not create anything. They surrendered themselves to the Americans and obtained a trillion dollar FDI which built Chinese factories from 1991 till 2010 and made China export capable.

Show me anything Chinese. Every bit is a copy of something in the west. Chinese are copy masters.

If exports disappear today then Chinese will become pauper tomorrow.

Plz spread such stereotype to younger generation, that's might be last contribution from ur generation.
 
poor fool, thinks he is important, you have not learnt from History, since you do not learn from your own life, In life as in politics morality counts, CCP has no morality, even you have J-36 you will lose and you know it, but I do not need to to argue with a fool, a boy who has his hormones betting in Nationalism, Globalization will win and China will lose dream fool I know what I am talking about, you will continue saying banzai, until you see what i said

See, in weapon thread no analysis, just useless rant. No doubt u r from nation dosen't do any r&d.

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China's weapons don't bother India but its expansion claiming policy does. So talking from purely technical PoV, 1 nation will lead a certain technology, like USA leading mil-tech, but if other nations can't match that latest product like engine then they can import if having friendly ties or develop less capable version of their own but obviously they'll have to compensate somehow.

On Wikipedia & elsewhere the F119 engines was also quoted earlier as 1,772 Kg then suddenly updated to be 2,272 Kg.
The F135 engine was quoted as 1,704 Kg initially which suddenly they edited to be 2,910 Kg.

The Chinese WS-15 engine is still quoted 1,600 Kg 🤔 :confusedd:

Now USA is doing R&D on XA-100/101/102/103 engines which are speculated 3+ tons dry weight.

For example, Western engines are better quality so more price Vs Russian engines less quality & price.
But a Cost-Benefit chart has to be plot in long run about CAPEX & OPEX (Captital & Operational Expenditure).
Power to Weight ratio needs to be looked at 1 Vs 2 or 2 Vs 3 engines.
Airframe SFC (Specific Fuel Consumption) values need to be calculated from engines.
If a big weapon platform has to be built then certain benefits with certain compromises may have to be done.

IDK WS-15 dry details so let's compare following 3 engines:
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We see that AL-31FP has lowest thrust, highest SFC but lowest fuel consumption.
If any Al-31FP operator who doesn't have better engine but wants to make F-22 equivalent then 3 AL-31FP engines will have to be used to have near equal thrust & weight of 2 F-119s. But fuel consumption is more by 28% due to more SFC. Had it been 17.3 the fuel used would also be almost same as 2 F-119s.

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China's weapons don't bother India but its expansion claiming policy does. So talking from purely technical PoV, 1 nation will lead a certain technology, like USA leading mil-tech, but if other nations can't match that latest product like engine then they can import if having friendly ties or develop less capable version of their own but obviously they'll have to compensate somehow.

On Wikipedia & elsewhere the F119 engines was also quoted earlier as 1,772 Kg then suddenly updated to be 2,272 Kg.
The F135 engine was quoted as 1,704 Kg initially which suddenly they edited to be 2,910 Kg.

The Chinese WS-15 engine is still quoted 1,600 Kg 🤔 :confusedd:

Now USA is doing R&D on XA-100/101/102/103 engines which are speculated 3+ tons dry weight.

For example, Western engines are better quality so more price Vs Russian engines less quality & price.
But a Cost-Benefit chart has to be plot in long run about CAPEX & OPEX (Captital & Operational Expenditure).
Power to Weight ratio needs to be looked at 1 Vs 2 or 2 Vs 3 engines.
Airframe SFC (Specific Fuel Consumption) values need to be calculated from engines.
If a big weapon platform has to be built then certain benefits with certain compromises may have to be done.

IDK WS-15 dry details so let's compare following 3 engines:
View attachment 21302
We see that AL-31FP has lowest thrust, highest SFC but lowest fuel consumption.
If any Al-31FP operator who doesn't have better engine but wants to make F-22 equivalent then 3 AL-31FP engines will have to be used to have near equal thrust & weight of 2 F-119s. But fuel consumption is more by 28% due to more SFC. Had it been 17.3 the fuel used would also be almost same as 2 F-119s.


From China Aviation Industry Forum 2024.

Latest update engine industry:

1. Cj1000, Cj2000 will be replacement of Leap-x for C929 and C919 soon.

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2. Envelop of new Engine to 6th Gen, has better for performance than PW-F119

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From China Aviation Industry Forum 2024.

Latest update engine industry:

1. Cj1000, Cj2000 will be replacement of Leap-x for C929 and C919 soon.

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2. Envelop of new Engine to 6th Gen, has better for performance than PW-F119

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Do you have WS-15 details?
Will J-36 have WS-15 or something else?
 
Do you have WS-15 details?
Will J-36 have WS-15 or something else?

No details of ws15, still top secret.

But latest J20 are equipted with WS15 and ome article mentioned it has better performance than al31, see.this red line, it
made comparison based on J20.

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Do you have WS-15 details?
Will J-36 have WS-15 or something else?

There is another evidence:

Since the aim of ws-15 was with better performance than F119, and it was successful, now they are working on STOVL version now.

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You have to face up the truth…..

Did you ever review how ur generation failed to improve your own nation, instead of downplaying China?

Still i see your generation as loser generation, not only for what yours have done, but also loser's mindset to China.
 
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Did you ever review how ur generation failed to improve your own nation, instead of downplaying China?

Still i see your generation as loser generation, not only for what yours have done, but also loser's mindset to China.
Nonsense….. 8% growth of last 4 years in India ring any bells in your head.
 
Chinese are masters of false propaganda. They will use articles, pictures, graphs and friendly others to back their propaganda. They have successfully corrupted a section of young Indian population. Their military hardware falls apart as the buyers start using them. Latest is Myanmar dumping JF-17.
 

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