Chinese Air Force

BON PLAN said:
What can be the use of AI in engine tech ?
to replace FADEC ?
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Fast track R&D. AI server can work 24x7. Input all the basics of physics, chemistry, maths & engine parameters - OPR, BPR, TIT, EPR, etc to AI & it'll try to come up with an engine product, perhaps manufactirung steps of tough parts also. If an organisation of say 1000 scientists are unable to figure out solution or will take certain time, then AI in theory should do it much faster.
 
Bhartiya Sainik said:
Fast track R&D. AI server can work 24x7. Input all the basics of physics, chemistry, maths & engine parameters - OPR, BPR, TIT, EPR, etc to AI & it'll try to come up with an engine product, perhaps manufactirung steps of tough parts also. If an organisation of say 1000 scientists are unable to figure out solution or will take certain time, then AI in theory should do it much faster.
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On paper it is interesting, but I have big doubt about the fact a today AI can choose a right way to optimize such a complex object.
A soft than can win in chess is absolutely useless playing Go.
 
BON PLAN said:
On paper it is interesting, but I have big doubt about the fact a today AI can choose a right way to optimize such a complex object.
A soft than can win in chess is absolutely useless playing Go.
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That's what the entire world want to test - how far can AI think with complexity.
 
BON PLAN said:
What can be the use of AI in engine tech ?
to replace FADEC ?
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As far as i knew, Chinese aviation industry applied CATIA from Dassault of your nation for every plane desgin, since JH7.

It gained much better reputation than ubisoft games after Assassin's Creed.
 
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BON PLAN said:
India air force is in a very weak situation. worst year after year....
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Yes, i agree.

No. of Mig21 is decreasing.

Su57 was quited after cheated by Russia with $5billions.

Rafale is expensive and size is too small.

Su30mki is lack of authorization, technology and time to upgrade.

F35 need to wait at least 8-10 yrs, and each take off need a mobile phone to receive verification code from LM... won't be a option...


IAF might face generation gap with PAF first time in history, if it gets J35 before 2030, and by Chinese productivity it's quite likely. China delivered 36 J10C only in 18 months.
 
rockdog said:
As far as i knew, Chinese aviation industry applied CATIA from Dassault of your nation for every plane desgin, since JH7.

It gained much better reputation than ubisoft games after assassin's credo.
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CATIA is a software.
CATIA itself can study a jet engine by itself. It can help with some specific modules, but unable to "imagine" a whole engine.
 
BON PLAN said:
India air force is in a very weak situation. worst year after year....
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The worse is yet to come.
"By 2035 chinese airforce"( in terms of fighter jets, US will still have more awacs, transports, tankers etc as they need to fight halfway around the world unlike chinese) will match the "US airforce of 2035" as an "equal" in terms of "tech"(maybe except engine) and will surpass in USAF in terms of number of fighters.

USAF is expected to field 1500-1650 fighters(5+ gen and 4.5++ gen) and Chinese airforce Will field 2000+( 5+gen and 4.5++ gen), along with loyal wingmans and other support.
At the same time chinese and American 6th gen will be in later stages of development/ first batch delivery about to start.

So we will have an airforce like that at our doorstep as an enemy.
 
randombully said:
The worse is yet to come.
"By 2035 chinese airforce"( in terms of fighter jets, US will still have more awacs, transports, tankers etc as they need to fight halfway around the world unlike chinese) will match the "US airforce of 2035" as an "equal" in terms of "tech"(maybe except engine) and will surpass in USAF in terms of number of fighters.

USAF is expected to field 1500-1650 fighters(5+ gen and 4.5++ gen) and Chinese airforce Will field 2000+( 5+gen and 4.5++ gen), along with loyal wingmans and other support.
At the same time chinese and American 6th gen will be in later stages of development/ first batch delivery about to start.

So we will have an airforce like that at our doorstep as an enemy.
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I agree.
The sole, but great, US forces advantage is that they are war proven and war trained.
No one really knows how trained are the chinese soldiers, how potent are their communication systems, their radars, their weapons.
See the north korean soldiers in Ukraine.... not very effective.
 
BON PLAN said:
I agree.
The sole, but great, US forces advantage is that they are war proven and war trained.
No one really knows how trained are the chinese soldiers, how potent are their communication systems, their radars, their weapons.
See the north korean soldiers in Ukraine.... not very effective.
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What war? In middle east? America has never fought a "modern" war against a "modern" army.


While chinese are not "war proven", we do have enough intelligence to see that they are massively improving in all areas of training.

They are stealing retired pilots from western airforces to train their own, their agents are secretly going to USA and taking training and learning tactics from retired us sf that run their private program's, and the are just the info that came out in public.
Then there was that thing about massive training shift in chinese airforce, by 2020, chinese bomber pilots were practicing attack on ships/land using stand off missile.
The stakes were raised, their was EW, jamming, night time, turbulence, etc and many scenarios were practiced.
Previously trained used to be outdated and simple.
By 2035, I ain't considering them any inferior to US either in doctrine, training, tactics.
Though I will consider indian army to be inferior in tactics by that time.

So thanks the " himalayas"bhayio, because our airforce Is cooked, army to a lesser extent and navy, navy gives me "slight" hope.
 
randombully said:
What war? In middle east? America has never fought a "modern" war against a "modern" army.


While chinese are not "war proven", we do have enough intelligence to see that they are massively improving in all areas of training.

They are stealing retired pilots from western airforces to train their own, their agents are secretly going to USA and taking training and learning tactics from retired us sf that run their private program's, and the are just the info that came out in public.
Then there was that thing about massive training shift in chinese airforce, by 2020, chinese bomber pilots were practicing attack on ships/land using stand off missile.
The stakes were raised, their was EW, jamming, night time, turbulence, etc and many scenarios were practiced.
Previously trained used to be outdated and simple.
By 2035, I ain't considering them any inferior to US either in doctrine, training, tactics.
Though I will consider indian army to be inferior in tactics by that time.

So thanks the " himalayas"bhayio, because our airforce Is cooked, army to a lesser extent and navy, navy gives me "slight" hope.
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You forget 1991, against irak. USA (and some weak allies as France, with the sole exception of GB) smashed iraki forces in 48 hours, 10.000 km away of US mainland....
See the difference between the US mastery in 1991 and how russia is engulfed in ukraine...

China last "serious" fight was against the brother USSR.... so many time ag. They lack of real practice.

west pilot in china : do you really imagine they give all their knowledge? Don't you think some of them were trained to give wrong datas by secret services ?
 
BON PLAN said:
You forget 1991, against irak. USA (and some weak allies as France, with the sole exception of GB) smashed iraki forces in 48 hours, 10.000 km away of US mainland....
See the difference between the US mastery in 1991 and how russia is engulfed in ukraine...

China last "serious" fight was against the brother USSR.... so many time ag. They lack of real practice.

west pilot in china : do you really imagine they give all their knowledge? Don't you think some of them were trained to give wrong datas by secret services ?
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Iraq was laughable state, their military was shit, their training was shit, their motivation was, majority surrendered to save their ass after few weeks of pounding.
While Russia did fuck up in ukraine in the start, but again for 3+years ukraine is constantly getting weapons from west, for example Russia destroys a air defense of ukraine, boom west provides another, ukraine would have also caved in few months if they didn't get constant resupply by west.
Along with having outdated but strong base doctrine and tactics and the use to asymmetric warfare all of which iraqi military lacked.
Ukraine war is much more comparable to Vietnam than to Iraq.
 
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