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rockdog · 2025-04-03T18:33:00+0530

Nutcracker said:
Might be busy finding new rebranding warehouse after Vietnam got a turd on its face.

That's why China launched OBOR and "Made in China 2025" 10 years ago, one side built more trading partners to reduce export to USA as 3% share, one side made high end products like DJI, every tariff added by USA, it added the same amount on pricing.

View: https://x.com/OopsGuess/status/1907733496099123426?t=7_pZIk8PcIeZITnCN7_KyQ&s=19

View: https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1907688067768455177?t=zP7e9cD0lAfPe_HwlMl_rg&s=19

View: https://x.com/luo_yuehan/status/1907466767397765185?t=K8WSexngBo23dzOdThqZUQ&s=19

View: https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1907642427218997511?t=0HAYmObVJW8Y9B3EHXir_w&s=19

Maybe manufactures and high tech on making physical product is too complicated to some Indian folks, listens to this expert, give up it and do services!

View: https://x.com/rohlamba/status/1746194082651607220?t=kNwGw18dU_TTeTMOx5VXlg&s=19

Nutcracker · 2025-04-03T18:47:16+0530

rockdog said:
That's why China launched OBOR and "Made in China 2025" 10 years ago, one side built more trading partners to reduce export to USA as 3% share, one side made high end products like DJI, every tariff added by USA, it added the same amount on pricing.

View: https://x.com/OopsGuess/status/1907733496099123426?t=7_pZIk8PcIeZITnCN7_KyQ&s=19

View: https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1907688067768455177?t=zP7e9cD0lAfPe_HwlMl_rg&s=19

View: https://x.com/luo_yuehan/status/1907466767397765185?t=K8WSexngBo23dzOdThqZUQ&s=19

View: https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1907642427218997511?t=0HAYmObVJW8Y9B3EHXir_w&s=19

Maybe manufactures and high tech on making physical product is too complicated to some Indian folks, listens to this expert, give up it and do services!

View: https://x.com/rohlamba/status/1746194082651607220?t=kNwGw18dU_TTeTMOx5VXlg&s=19

Wumao doesnt know his CCP masters are speedrunning whole 996 slave cadre into the bankruptcy.

The Relationship Between Chinese Debt and China’s Trade Surplus

In order to keep production growing, China must either increase investment, and with it its debt burden, or increase its trade surplus.

carnegieendowment.org

Table 1. Comparisons Between Nominal GDP and Outstanding TSF

	Nominal GDP in RMB billions	Outstanding TSF in RMB billions	Debt to GDP Ratio
2016	74,640	180,500	242%
2017	83,204	205,910	247%
2018	91,928	227,000	247%
2019	98,650	251,410	255%
2020	101,360	284,800	281%
2021	114,367	314,100	275%
2022	121,021	344,200	284%
2023	129,428	378,100	292%
2024	134,908	408,340	303%

rockdog · 2025-04-03T18:54:38+0530

Nutcracker said:
Wumao doesnt know his CCP masters are speedrunning whole 996 slave cadre into the bankruptcy.

Really?

Nutcracker said:
Table 1. Comparisons Between Nominal GDP and Outstanding TSF

Nominal GDP in RMB billions
Outstanding TSF in RMB billions
Debt to GDP Ratio
2016
74,640
180,500
242%
2017
83,204
205,910
247%
2018
91,928
227,000
247%
2019
98,650
251,410
255%
2020
101,360
284,800
281%
2021
114,367
314,100
275%
2022
121,021
344,200
284%
2023
129,428
378,100
292%
2024
134,908
408,340
303%

Nutcracker · 2025-04-03T18:58:53+0530

rockdog said:
Really?

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CHyena has a unique feature of Local govt Fin Vehicle. Which carries higher debt than what above data shows. When will wumaos start adding their LGFV debts ? are those not "govt debts" ?

rockdog · 2025-04-03T19:09:44+0530

Nutcracker said:
CHyena has a unique feature of Local govt Fin Vehicle. Which carries higher debt than what above data shows. When will wumaos start adding their LGFV debts ? are those not "govt debts" ?

Internal debt is actually tool of central government, or seigniorage according modern monetary theory, if you have strong manufacture power like China or currency hegemony like USA.

China Loan Prime Rate is at 3.10%, compared to 3.10% last month and 3.45% last year. This is lower than the long term average of 3.68%. The China Loan Prime Rate (LPR) is the lending rate provided by commercial banks to their highest quality customers, and serves as the benchmark for rates provided for other loans.

China Loan Prime Rate Monthly Analysis: Loan Market Quoted Rate | YCharts

In depth view into China Loan Prime Rate including historical data from 2019 to 2025, charts and stats.

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View: https://x.com/Kanthan2030/status/1680046438255063040?t=_Epss36k5vktsKnAkQYhGQ&s=19

Spacemarine · 2025-04-03T19:40:03+0530

Spacemarine · 2025-04-03T19:42:00+0530

@rockdog

Ask ur CCP master to start factories in India now to survive

And all other transshipment centres got about same Tariffs

rockdog · 2025-04-03T19:49:22+0530

Spacemarine said:
@rockdog

Ask ur CCP master to start factories in India now to survive

And all other transshipment centres got about same Tariffs

??

View: https://x.com/BeijingDai/status/1653332305887256585?t=tZZH8LDV71ghC_kNMpkang&s=19

View: https://x.com/IndianTechGuide/status/1904775409423507900?t=o9tfC2HdrWz-gpk4lbfVIA&s=19

View: https://x.com/thinking_panda/status/1872108432112918833?t=Ptqq2m22P1wJSrTVw--mgQ&s=19

Spacemarine · 2025-04-03T19:51:27+0530

rockdog said:
??

View: https://x.com/BeijingDai/status/1653332305887256585?t=tZZH8LDV71ghC_kNMpkang&s=19

View: https://x.com/IndianTechGuide/status/1904775409423507900?t=o9tfC2HdrWz-gpk4lbfVIA&s=19

View: https://x.com/thinking_panda/status/1872108432112918833?t=Ptqq2m22P1wJSrTVw--mgQ&s=19

India is very transparent in laws, the cases you see is because all of these companies violated tax laws and import laws.

Chinese should start thinking of long term because west is going to become more and more closed for chinese simply because what they don’t understand they will fear,
India will be better trade partner for Chinese in case chinese dont follow their “cheat or lie if you can” principle.

Also we Indians know very well you civilisation characteristics west doesnt.

I was amazed when I learnt there is no word for Truth or Satya in Chinese

The closest word you guys got is Reality, I would say Budha teachings failed on you guys

helin · 2025-04-03T19:51:52+0530

Spacemarine said:
@rockdog

Ask ur CCP master to start factories in India now to survive

And all other transshipment centres got about same Tariffs

Very bad,

Chinese economy is going to collapse again.

Hope Indian brothers help us tide over the difficulties

rockdog · 2025-04-03T19:56:41+0530

Spacemarine said:
India is very transparent in laws, the cases you see is because all of these companies violated tax laws and import laws.

In our university MBA course about India investment, the most famous two cases to study were:

Vodafone case, and POSCO case.

Have you ever heard?

Spacemarine · 2025-04-03T19:58:45+0530

rockdog said:
In our university MBA course about India investment, the most famous two cases to study were:

Vodafone case, and POSCO case.

Have you ever heard?

All the cases are based on solid proofs even if a Govt is corrupt the corporates can fight the govt through Courts unlike China where CCP is judge, jury and executioners

helin · 2025-04-03T20:09:57+0530

Spacemarine said:
All the cases are based on solid proofs even if a Govt is corrupt the corporates can fight the govt through Courts unlike China where CCP is judge, jury and executioners

Catching a mouse is a good cat,

and attracting so much foreign investment shows that China has a first-class

investment environment.

rockdog · 2025-04-03T20:10:54+0530

Spacemarine said:
All the cases are based on solid proofs even if a Govt is corrupt the corporates can fight the govt through Courts unlike China where CCP is judge, jury and executioners

So?

Spacemarine · 2025-04-03T20:20:34+0530

rockdog said:
So?

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This was a concentrated effort from west to prop up china to use as a bulwark against soviets and later somehow believing that CCP will become like japanese and korean slaves for west if west keep making Chinese wealthy…

But chinis being chinis fckin west in their own game

helin · 2025-04-03T20:32:37+0530

Spacemarine said:
This was a concentrated effort from west to prop up china to use as a bulwark against soviets and later somehow believing that CCP will become like japanese and korean slaves for west if west keep making Chinese wealthy…

But chinis being chinis fckin west in their own game

It has been 34 years since the fall of the Soviet Union

Blademaster · 2025-04-03T20:33:22+0530

rockdog said:
??

View: https://x.com/BeijingDai/status/1653332305887256585?t=tZZH8LDV71ghC_kNMpkang&s=19

View: https://x.com/IndianTechGuide/status/1904775409423507900?t=o9tfC2HdrWz-gpk4lbfVIA&s=19

View: https://x.com/thinking_panda/status/1872108432112918833?t=Ptqq2m22P1wJSrTVw--mgQ&s=19

Don't believe what VW says about not making a profit. They are fudging numbers to say no profit and therefore pay no taxes. GoI is calling BS on those claims. Same thing with other companies. They are trying to dodge taxes illegally by claiming no profit.

LETHALFORCE · 2025-04-03T20:41:37+0530

View: https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1907617549526630796

Spacemarine · 2025-04-03T21:02:18+0530

helin said:
It has been 34 years since the fall of the Soviet Union

But US deep state project to make china a democracy under US influence kept on going

rockdog · 2025-04-03T22:43:00+0530

helin said:
Catching a mouse is a good cat,

and attracting so much foreign investment shows that China has a first-class

investment environment.

African are smart.

View: https://x.com/haugejostein/status/1907803465054588982?t=3RRMvyw7ywDIMgdWAFg8dw&s=19

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