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China, ASEAN fully complete negotiations on CAFTA 3.0 upgrade​

China and 10 ASEAN countries have fully completed negotiations on the Version 3.0 China-ASEAN Free Trade Area (CAFTA), a milestone in bilateral trade cooperation that will inject greater momentum and stability into the world economy.

The achievement was announced during a special online meeting of economic and trade ministers from China and ASEAN on Tuesday, according to China's Ministry of Commerce.

CAFTA 3.0 will send a strong signal in support of free trade and open cooperation, said the ministry, noting that the agreement will inject greater certainty into regional and global trade, and serve as a model for openness, inclusiveness and win-win cooperation.

Launched in 2010, the CAFTA, the world's largest free trade zone among developing countries, has undergone continuous upgrades, with its Version 2.0 agreement signed in 2015 and coming into effect in 2019.

With negotiations for CAFTA 3.0 now concluded, both parties will strive to formally sign the CAFTA 3.0 upgrade protocol before the end of this year, the ministry revealed.

Exemplifying cooperation across the Global South, the conclusion of CAFTA 3.0 negotiations will greatly enhance China-ASEAN cooperation concerning industrial capacity, technology and trade, while boosting ASEAN countries' economic growth and industrialization, said Feng Gui, a law professor at Guangxi University of Finance and Economics in south China.

According to the commerce ministry, CAFTA 3.0 will introduce nine new chapters covering areas such as the digital economy, the green economy and supply chain connectivity.

These new chapters are major breakthroughs as they will help China and ASEAN promote broader and deeper regional economic integration under new circumstances, and will facilitate the integration of their industrial and supply chains, the ministry said.

In particular, the establishment of supply chain connectivity rules under CAFTA 3.0 marks a new milestone in supply chain cooperation between the two sides, as these rules will effectively facilitate the flow of critical goods and services while enhancing infrastructure connectivity, said Zhang Xiaojun, vice president of Southwest University of Political Science and Law in Chongqing Municipality.

"These rules will not only optimize the efficient cross-border flow of production factors but also provide institutional support for building secure and stable supply chains," Zhang explained.

According to multiple experts, the digital economy will be another key sector to benefit from CAFTA 3.0, as closer cooperation under the agreement will help bridge the digital gap between China and ASEAN countries, paving the way for further economic integration.

China's experience in digital infrastructure development is expected to provide significant investment and technological support to ASEAN nations, and create more opportunities for small and medium-sized enterprises, said Chen Zhe, an associate professor at the School of International Law of Southwest University of Political Science and Law.

Negotiations for CAFTA 3.0 have surpassed China's previous free trade agreements in both scope and depth, demonstrating the country's resolve to deepen openness in the digital economy sector, Chen added.

"CAFTA 3.0 will not only strengthen economic and trade cooperation between China and ASEAN countries, but also underscore China's proactive stance in actively shaping international digital trade rules and advancing global digital economic development," Chen noted.

Home to nearly a quarter of the world's population, China and ASEAN had by 2024 been each other's largest trading partner for five consecutive years. Bilateral trade value soared from less than 8 billion U.S. dollars in 1991 to nearly 1 trillion dollars in 2024.

Data from the General Administration of Customs showed that in the first four months of 2025, trade between China and ASEAN had reached 2.38 trillion yuan (about 330.85 billion U.S. dollars), up 9.2 percent from a year earlier.

ASEAN and China can further deepen their partnership, achieve high-quality common development, promote cooperation in areas such as intelligent manufacturing, and enhance connectivity and green transformation, Kao Kim Hourn, secretary-general of ASEAN, said at Tuesday's meeting.

Experts emphasized that the conclusion of CAFTA 3.0 negotiations will further strengthen the institutional framework for economic and trade cooperation between China and ASEAN, exploring a rule-based approach to cooperation. The CAFTA, through the integration of rules and standards, breaks away from the traditional models of rule- and standard-setting dominated by developed nations.

Feng said that in an era marked by global trade protectionism and decoupling, China and ASEAN, as friendly neighbors and models of economic cooperation, are providing new support for the global multilateral trade system.

"China is willing to work with ASEAN to maintain the stability and smooth operations of global industrial and supply chains, make greater contributions to the development of both sides, and safeguard international fairness and justice," said China's Commerce Minister Wang Wentao.
 

China, ASEAN fully complete negotiations on CAFTA 3.0 upgrade​

China and 10 ASEAN countries have fully completed negotiations on the Version 3.0 China-ASEAN Free Trade Area (CAFTA), a milestone in bilateral trade cooperation that will inject greater momentum and stability into the world economy.

The achievement was announced during a special online meeting of economic and trade ministers from China and ASEAN on Tuesday, according to China's Ministry of Commerce.

CAFTA 3.0 will send a strong signal in support of free trade and open cooperation, said the ministry, noting that the agreement will inject greater certainty into regional and global trade, and serve as a model for openness, inclusiveness and win-win cooperation.

Launched in 2010, the CAFTA, the world's largest free trade zone among developing countries, has undergone continuous upgrades, with its Version 2.0 agreement signed in 2015 and coming into effect in 2019.

With negotiations for CAFTA 3.0 now concluded, both parties will strive to formally sign the CAFTA 3.0 upgrade protocol before the end of this year, the ministry revealed.

Exemplifying cooperation across the Global South, the conclusion of CAFTA 3.0 negotiations will greatly enhance China-ASEAN cooperation concerning industrial capacity, technology and trade, while boosting ASEAN countries' economic growth and industrialization, said Feng Gui, a law professor at Guangxi University of Finance and Economics in south China.

According to the commerce ministry, CAFTA 3.0 will introduce nine new chapters covering areas such as the digital economy, the green economy and supply chain connectivity.

These new chapters are major breakthroughs as they will help China and ASEAN promote broader and deeper regional economic integration under new circumstances, and will facilitate the integration of their industrial and supply chains, the ministry said.

In particular, the establishment of supply chain connectivity rules under CAFTA 3.0 marks a new milestone in supply chain cooperation between the two sides, as these rules will effectively facilitate the flow of critical goods and services while enhancing infrastructure connectivity, said Zhang Xiaojun, vice president of Southwest University of Political Science and Law in Chongqing Municipality.

"These rules will not only optimize the efficient cross-border flow of production factors but also provide institutional support for building secure and stable supply chains," Zhang explained.

According to multiple experts, the digital economy will be another key sector to benefit from CAFTA 3.0, as closer cooperation under the agreement will help bridge the digital gap between China and ASEAN countries, paving the way for further economic integration.

China's experience in digital infrastructure development is expected to provide significant investment and technological support to ASEAN nations, and create more opportunities for small and medium-sized enterprises, said Chen Zhe, an associate professor at the School of International Law of Southwest University of Political Science and Law.

Negotiations for CAFTA 3.0 have surpassed China's previous free trade agreements in both scope and depth, demonstrating the country's resolve to deepen openness in the digital economy sector, Chen added.

"CAFTA 3.0 will not only strengthen economic and trade cooperation between China and ASEAN countries, but also underscore China's proactive stance in actively shaping international digital trade rules and advancing global digital economic development," Chen noted.

Home to nearly a quarter of the world's population, China and ASEAN had by 2024 been each other's largest trading partner for five consecutive years. Bilateral trade value soared from less than 8 billion U.S. dollars in 1991 to nearly 1 trillion dollars in 2024.

Data from the General Administration of Customs showed that in the first four months of 2025, trade between China and ASEAN had reached 2.38 trillion yuan (about 330.85 billion U.S. dollars), up 9.2 percent from a year earlier.

ASEAN and China can further deepen their partnership, achieve high-quality common development, promote cooperation in areas such as intelligent manufacturing, and enhance connectivity and green transformation, Kao Kim Hourn, secretary-general of ASEAN, said at Tuesday's meeting.

Experts emphasized that the conclusion of CAFTA 3.0 negotiations will further strengthen the institutional framework for economic and trade cooperation between China and ASEAN, exploring a rule-based approach to cooperation. The CAFTA, through the integration of rules and standards, breaks away from the traditional models of rule- and standard-setting dominated by developed nations.

Feng said that in an era marked by global trade protectionism and decoupling, China and ASEAN, as friendly neighbors and models of economic cooperation, are providing new support for the global multilateral trade system.

"China is willing to work with ASEAN to maintain the stability and smooth operations of global industrial and supply chains, make greater contributions to the development of both sides, and safeguard international fairness and justice," said China's Commerce Minister Wang Wentao.
Congratulations ! Hopefully within 10 years no indigenous industry exists in any ASEAN country & if they do it'd be controlled by the Han .

I say time India revisits the FTA with ASEAN as well. All those certificates of origin for imported merchandise won't be worth the paper they're printed on . @crazywithmath ; @ezsasa
 

China, ASEAN fully complete negotiations on CAFTA 3.0 upgrade​

China and 10 ASEAN countries have fully completed negotiations on the Version 3.0 China-ASEAN Free Trade Area (CAFTA), a milestone in bilateral trade cooperation that will inject greater momentum and stability into the world economy.

The achievement was announced during a special online meeting of economic and trade ministers from China and ASEAN on Tuesday, according to China's Ministry of Commerce.

CAFTA 3.0 will send a strong signal in support of free trade and open cooperation, said the ministry, noting that the agreement will inject greater certainty into regional and global trade, and serve as a model for openness, inclusiveness and win-win cooperation.

Launched in 2010, the CAFTA, the world's largest free trade zone among developing countries, has undergone continuous upgrades, with its Version 2.0 agreement signed in 2015 and coming into effect in 2019.

With negotiations for CAFTA 3.0 now concluded, both parties will strive to formally sign the CAFTA 3.0 upgrade protocol before the end of this year, the ministry revealed.

Exemplifying cooperation across the Global South, the conclusion of CAFTA 3.0 negotiations will greatly enhance China-ASEAN cooperation concerning industrial capacity, technology and trade, while boosting ASEAN countries' economic growth and industrialization, said Feng Gui, a law professor at Guangxi University of Finance and Economics in south China.

According to the commerce ministry, CAFTA 3.0 will introduce nine new chapters covering areas such as the digital economy, the green economy and supply chain connectivity.

These new chapters are major breakthroughs as they will help China and ASEAN promote broader and deeper regional economic integration under new circumstances, and will facilitate the integration of their industrial and supply chains, the ministry said.

In particular, the establishment of supply chain connectivity rules under CAFTA 3.0 marks a new milestone in supply chain cooperation between the two sides, as these rules will effectively facilitate the flow of critical goods and services while enhancing infrastructure connectivity, said Zhang Xiaojun, vice president of Southwest University of Political Science and Law in Chongqing Municipality.

"These rules will not only optimize the efficient cross-border flow of production factors but also provide institutional support for building secure and stable supply chains," Zhang explained.

According to multiple experts, the digital economy will be another key sector to benefit from CAFTA 3.0, as closer cooperation under the agreement will help bridge the digital gap between China and ASEAN countries, paving the way for further economic integration.

China's experience in digital infrastructure development is expected to provide significant investment and technological support to ASEAN nations, and create more opportunities for small and medium-sized enterprises, said Chen Zhe, an associate professor at the School of International Law of Southwest University of Political Science and Law.

Negotiations for CAFTA 3.0 have surpassed China's previous free trade agreements in both scope and depth, demonstrating the country's resolve to deepen openness in the digital economy sector, Chen added.

"CAFTA 3.0 will not only strengthen economic and trade cooperation between China and ASEAN countries, but also underscore China's proactive stance in actively shaping international digital trade rules and advancing global digital economic development," Chen noted.

Home to nearly a quarter of the world's population, China and ASEAN had by 2024 been each other's largest trading partner for five consecutive years. Bilateral trade value soared from less than 8 billion U.S. dollars in 1991 to nearly 1 trillion dollars in 2024.

Data from the General Administration of Customs showed that in the first four months of 2025, trade between China and ASEAN had reached 2.38 trillion yuan (about 330.85 billion U.S. dollars), up 9.2 percent from a year earlier.

ASEAN and China can further deepen their partnership, achieve high-quality common development, promote cooperation in areas such as intelligent manufacturing, and enhance connectivity and green transformation, Kao Kim Hourn, secretary-general of ASEAN, said at Tuesday's meeting.

Experts emphasized that the conclusion of CAFTA 3.0 negotiations will further strengthen the institutional framework for economic and trade cooperation between China and ASEAN, exploring a rule-based approach to cooperation. The CAFTA, through the integration of rules and standards, breaks away from the traditional models of rule- and standard-setting dominated by developed nations.

Feng said that in an era marked by global trade protectionism and decoupling, China and ASEAN, as friendly neighbors and models of economic cooperation, are providing new support for the global multilateral trade system.

"China is willing to work with ASEAN to maintain the stability and smooth operations of global industrial and supply chains, make greater contributions to the development of both sides, and safeguard international fairness and justice," said China's Commerce Minister Wang Wentao.
you are just following the script set by the world government, first free trade, later customs unions, later common economic community, and later they will make the world government, eyes that can not see, ears can not hear because to see and hear you need the heart
 
Congratulations ! Hopefully within 10 years no indigenous industry exists in any ASEAN country & if they do it'd be controlled by the Han .

I say time India revisits the FTA with ASEAN as well. All those certificates of origin for imported merchandise won't be worth the paper they're printed on . @crazywithmath ; @ezsasa
to make a world government they need to gather the nations in big economic Unions, India will also gather with their own satellites like in North America the USA has Mexico, central america and Canada as satellites, but the last step will be a world government.

Globalization=World Government
 
The import and export trade volume between China and ASEAN in 2024
Total trade volume: It is expected to exceed 1,050 billion US dollars
Exports: Estimated at approximately 550 billion US dollars
Imports: Estimated at approximately 500 billion US dollars
 
The import and export trade volume between China and ASEAN in 2024
Total trade volume: It is expected to exceed 1,050 billion US dollars
Exports: Estimated at approximately 550 billion US dollars
Imports: Estimated at approximately 500 billion US dollars
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set the trap for the world government, one currency (digital) one Army, one government
 

China, ASEAN fully complete negotiations on CAFTA 3.0 upgrade​

China and 10 ASEAN countries have fully completed negotiations on the Version 3.0 China-ASEAN Free Trade Area (CAFTA), a milestone in bilateral trade cooperation that will inject greater momentum and stability into the world economy.

The achievement was announced during a special online meeting of economic and trade ministers from China and ASEAN on Tuesday, according to China's Ministry of Commerce.

CAFTA 3.0 will send a strong signal in support of free trade and open cooperation, said the ministry, noting that the agreement will inject greater certainty into regional and global trade, and serve as a model for openness, inclusiveness and win-win cooperation.

Launched in 2010, the CAFTA, the world's largest free trade zone among developing countries, has undergone continuous upgrades, with its Version 2.0 agreement signed in 2015 and coming into effect in 2019.

With negotiations for CAFTA 3.0 now concluded, both parties will strive to formally sign the CAFTA 3.0 upgrade protocol before the end of this year, the ministry revealed.

Exemplifying cooperation across the Global South, the conclusion of CAFTA 3.0 negotiations will greatly enhance China-ASEAN cooperation concerning industrial capacity, technology and trade, while boosting ASEAN countries' economic growth and industrialization, said Feng Gui, a law professor at Guangxi University of Finance and Economics in south China.

According to the commerce ministry, CAFTA 3.0 will introduce nine new chapters covering areas such as the digital economy, the green economy and supply chain connectivity.

These new chapters are major breakthroughs as they will help China and ASEAN promote broader and deeper regional economic integration under new circumstances, and will facilitate the integration of their industrial and supply chains, the ministry said.

In particular, the establishment of supply chain connectivity rules under CAFTA 3.0 marks a new milestone in supply chain cooperation between the two sides, as these rules will effectively facilitate the flow of critical goods and services while enhancing infrastructure connectivity, said Zhang Xiaojun, vice president of Southwest University of Political Science and Law in Chongqing Municipality.

"These rules will not only optimize the efficient cross-border flow of production factors but also provide institutional support for building secure and stable supply chains," Zhang explained.

According to multiple experts, the digital economy will be another key sector to benefit from CAFTA 3.0, as closer cooperation under the agreement will help bridge the digital gap between China and ASEAN countries, paving the way for further economic integration.

China's experience in digital infrastructure development is expected to provide significant investment and technological support to ASEAN nations, and create more opportunities for small and medium-sized enterprises, said Chen Zhe, an associate professor at the School of International Law of Southwest University of Political Science and Law.

Negotiations for CAFTA 3.0 have surpassed China's previous free trade agreements in both scope and depth, demonstrating the country's resolve to deepen openness in the digital economy sector, Chen added.

"CAFTA 3.0 will not only strengthen economic and trade cooperation between China and ASEAN countries, but also underscore China's proactive stance in actively shaping international digital trade rules and advancing global digital economic development," Chen noted.

Home to nearly a quarter of the world's population, China and ASEAN had by 2024 been each other's largest trading partner for five consecutive years. Bilateral trade value soared from less than 8 billion U.S. dollars in 1991 to nearly 1 trillion dollars in 2024.

Data from the General Administration of Customs showed that in the first four months of 2025, trade between China and ASEAN had reached 2.38 trillion yuan (about 330.85 billion U.S. dollars), up 9.2 percent from a year earlier.

ASEAN and China can further deepen their partnership, achieve high-quality common development, promote cooperation in areas such as intelligent manufacturing, and enhance connectivity and green transformation, Kao Kim Hourn, secretary-general of ASEAN, said at Tuesday's meeting.

Experts emphasized that the conclusion of CAFTA 3.0 negotiations will further strengthen the institutional framework for economic and trade cooperation between China and ASEAN, exploring a rule-based approach to cooperation. The CAFTA, through the integration of rules and standards, breaks away from the traditional models of rule- and standard-setting dominated by developed nations.

Feng said that in an era marked by global trade protectionism and decoupling, China and ASEAN, as friendly neighbors and models of economic cooperation, are providing new support for the global multilateral trade system.

"China is willing to work with ASEAN to maintain the stability and smooth operations of global industrial and supply chains, make greater contributions to the development of both sides, and safeguard international fairness and justice," said China's Commerce Minister Wang Wentao.

My wife's parents bought a villa in FangchengGang city, I m now expecting the new canal would make the Nanning, and Guangxi Province to be a capital for ASEAN like Miami/Florida to S.America!



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7BpPN9oDmU
 
Congratulations ! Hopefully within 10 years no indigenous industry exists in any ASEAN country & if they do it'd be controlled by the Han .

I say time India revisits the FTA with ASEAN as well. All those certificates of origin for imported merchandise won't be worth the paper they're printed on . @crazywithmath ; @ezsasa

No, ASEAN will be the extent of Chinese manufacture, we are making a network not sucking them up.

You didn't see in recent 5-8 yrs, the manufactures in Vietnam, Malaysia, successfully detain it moving to India?

Plus, all high-tech supply chains already existed in Mainland, TW, JP, S.K; they feel more comfortable in ASEAN+China than in India.

China's BYD opens EV factory in Thailand, first in Southeast Asia



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And Chinese government is supporting such trend!

Vietnam plans to increase electricity imports from China, Laos by 2030​

 
No, ASEAN will be the extent of Chinese manufacture, we are making a network not sucking them up.

You didn't see in recent 5-8 yrs, the manufactures in Vietnam, Malaysia, successfully detain it moving to India?

Plus, all high-tech supply chains already existed in Mainland, TW, JP, S.K; they feel more comfortable in ASEAN+China than in India.

China's BYD opens EV factory in Thailand, first in Southeast Asia



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And Chinese government is supporting such trend!

Vietnam plans to increase electricity imports from China, Laos by 2030​

Neither are we interested in China nor your proxies in ASEAN. You can screw or schmalz each other to your heart's content. What business is it of ours ?

Our only issue is with the FTA we've signed with ASEAN which is turning out to be increasingly one sided & with the RCEP followed by this new agreement why should we become the dumping ground for Chinese junk from ASEAN when we've denied China this opportunity ?

As far as all that talk about becoming one giant supply chain goes this is how Vietnam reacted when Trump squeezed their balls.



9/10 companies in Vietnam are of Han origin. Neither does Vietnam have much of an entrepreneurial culture nor does it have the wherewithal to set up an industrial ecosystem of its own . You think the rest of the world are fools not to see thru CCP's game plan ?
 
The "China Hydrogen Energy Development Report (2025)" (hereinafter referred to as the "Report"), compiled by the National Energy Administration in collaboration with relevant industry institutions and experts, was officially released recently. The report shows that in 2024, China's annual production and consumption of hydrogen energy exceeded 36.5 million tons, ranking first in the world.

By the end of 2024, the cumulative annual capacity of global renewable energy hydrogen production projects will exceed 250,000 tons, with China accounting for over 50%. China has gradually become a leading country in the development of global renewable energy hydrogen production and related industries. Xu Jilin, deputy director of the Energy Conservation and Technology Equipment Department of the National Energy Administration, said when interpreting the "Report".

The report shows that by the end of 2024, China's hydrogen production capacity will exceed 50 million tons per year, increasing by approximately 1.6% year-on-year. Hydrogen production from fossil energy still dominates the hydrogen supply. The annual production capacity of coal-to-hydrogen is approximately 28 million tons, with an output of about 20.7 million tons, representing a year-on-year increase of approximately 6.7%. The newly added output is mainly used for coal-to-oil and gas production. The annual production capacity of hydrogen from natural gas is approximately 10.8 million tons, with an output of about 7.6 million tons, a year-on-year decrease of approximately 4.4%. The annual production capacity of industrial by-product hydrogen is approximately 10.7 million tons, and the output is about 7.7 million tons, increasing by approximately 4.0% year-on-year. The annual production capacity of hydrogen by electrolyzing water is approximately 500,000 tons, with an output of about 320,000 tons, representing a year-on-year growth of approximately 3.6%.

By the end of 2024, a total of over 600 renewable energy electrolytic water hydrogen production projects had been planned and constructed across the country. The built production capacity is approximately 125,000 tons per year, mainly distributed in North China and Northwest China, accounting for about 45% and 44% respectively of the country's built renewable energy electrolytic water hydrogen production capacity. In 2024, 35 new projects will be completed across the country, with an additional production capacity of approximately 48,000 tons per year, representing a year-on-year growth of about 62%.
 
No, ASEAN will be the extent of Chinese manufacture, we are making a network not sucking them up.

You didn't see in recent 5-8 yrs, the manufactures in Vietnam, Malaysia, successfully detain it moving to India?

Plus, all high-tech supply chains already existed in Mainland, TW, JP, S.K; they feel more comfortable in ASEAN+China than in India.

China's BYD opens EV factory in Thailand, first in Southeast Asia



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And Chinese government is supporting such trend!

Vietnam plans to increase electricity imports from China, Laos by 2030​

Sure sure ...
Supavud Saicheua, chairman of the state planning agency National Economic and Social Development Council, said Thailand's decades-long manufacturing-driven economic model is broken.
"The Chinese are now trying to export left, right and centre. Those cheap imports are really causing trouble," Supavud told Reuters.

The factory closures between July 2023 and June 2024 increased 40% from the preceding 12 months, according to the latest Department of Industrial Works data that has not been previously reported.
As a result, job losses jumped by 80% during the same period, with more than 51,500 workers left without work, the data shows.
 
Source?
Not everything has a source or needs one. You need apply common sense too. What's the industrial base of Vietnam like ? Name me one Vietnamese owned company among the Fortune 500 list or any Vietnamese company which is a pioneer in any field or any sector which Vietnam dominates like say India in IT services ?

You could extend that argument to any ASEAN country including Singapore which if not more of a tax haven has a very low rate of tax apart from being centrally located from a strategic PoV near to the Malacca Straits apart from being a financial centre.



 
Not everything has a source or needs one. You need apply common sense too. What's the industrial base of Vietnam like ? Name me one Vietnamese owned company among the Fortune 500 list or any Vietnamese company which is a pioneer in any field or any sector which Vietnam dominates like say India in IT services ?

You could extend that argument to any ASEAN country including Singapore which if not more of a tax haven has a very low rate of tax apart from being centrally located from a strategic PoV near to the Malacca Straits apart from being a financial centre.




These are all well-known pieces of information

It still fails to prove that 9/10 companies are in Vietnam are of Han origin.
 
These are all well-known pieces of information

It still fails to prove that 9/10 companies are in Vietnam are of Han origin.
Don't need to prove anything. Let the upcoming tariffs China + ASEAN will face do the talking while you keep demanding evidence for 9/10 companies being owned or controlled by the Han.
 
Don't need to prove anything. Let the upcoming tariffs China + ASEAN will face do the talking while you keep demanding evidence for 9/10 companies being owned or controlled by the Han.

Make HAN great again
 
Make HAN great again
That Great Helmsman 2.0 will do when he launches an invasion of Taiwan . It's a great time to be a Han . We certainly do not envy you .
 
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