Dassault Rafale in Indian Air Force (1 Viewer)

[FalconSlayers]

Trying too hard for 114 Rafale order with Rafale MRO in Noida, M88 MRO in Hyderabad, Rafale fuselage plant in Hyderabad, Falcon 2000 final assembly line in Nagpur...

 

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Trying too hard for 114 Rafale order with Rafale MRO in Noida, M88 MRO in Hyderabad, Rafale fuselage plant in Hyderabad, Falcon 2000 final assembly line in Nagpur...
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They announce this particular news since 2022 every year

I think this time however they are serious about grabbing the contract

 

[Tumba]

They announce this particular news since 2022 every year

I think this time however they are serious about grabbing the contract

See how much similar they r

Like every few years DRDO talks abt LCA MK2, AMCA and Kaveri

 

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See how much similar they r

Like every few years DRDO talks abt LCA MK2, AMCA and Kaveri

HAL nor anyone else has never done drama over building a facility/assembly line

They are saying muh Safran MRO in Hyderabad by 2025 since 2022 atleast

Safran MRO to take wing by 2025

Plan is to handle Rafale engines too

www.thehindu.com

This facility may already be active but kya pata.

I feel there's some babu behind this who is insisting on these baguette weasels to fulfill their promises before we sign any contract, otherwise we get scammed again like the 36 jet's "offsets" not being fulfilled.

 

[Noob_Saibot]

You have to consider IAF doctrine for that. MKI isn’t front line jet or interceptor in IAF inventory to get involved in a dog fight. MKi is used in ( A2G) role to bomb the shit out of enemies and tactics of IAF for MKI is to dodge any in coming missiles staying far from BVR missile ranges. Astra is agile missile integrated to MKI but not preferred or employable unless IAF tweaks tactics and pits MKI directly against enemy fighters in A2A role.

What IS the frontline interceptor then?
I always thought the MKI was the main air superiority fighter?

 

[Gandaberunda]

What IS the frontline interceptor then?
I always thought the MKI was the main air superiority fighter?

Might 21 is the interceptor ( abinanadan in 2019) 2 squadrons still remain now its role is taken over by Tejas MK1.
If any air skirmishes Tejas will be scrambled first followed by Rafales/ Su30 / MiG 29 UPG subject to availability of fighters in the airbase. Since Tejas isn’t inducted in numbers and Mig21 is retired Su 30 MKI is temporary deployed to fill the role in forward airbases.

 

[BON PLAN]

They announce this particular news since 2022 every year

I think this time however they are serious about grabbing the contract

Maybe the economic balance was not good with just 36 units, and best with 52 ?

 

[BON PLAN]

Looks like meteor wasn't even operational with IAF during Op Sindoor

= Bull Shit.

 

[shade2]

Maybe the economic balance was not good with just 36 units, and best with 52 ?

Nope we are facing a real drop in fighter jet squadrons because many planes are old and way past their retirement age.
Includes Jaguars, Mig29s and Mirages.

The Govt is a cheapskate here, the Airforce wanted Rafale onleee but because of the price the govt wasn't keen on a bulk purchase
Now since this is a dire situation the Govt is opening it's wallet.

Dassault/French govt is also reaching out with both hands with all these fuselage manufacturing, private jet FAL and other such deals popping up.

 

[BON PLAN]

Seeing this IMO IAF Rafale are yet to be integrated with Meteors there is no way French will integrate Meteors with IAF Rafales before their own most active Rafale Squadrons.

First french navy Rafale fire don't mean the missile was not integrated earlier.
The weapon system is absolutely the same between C, B, M variant.
Once A weapon is integrated on one, even NARANG refueling system more,dedicated to M, it is on all the Rafale fleet !

This try was to act what the french forces decides somes yars ago : to train more regularly the forces with high end systems, as ASTER, MICA, METEOR, ARTEMIS torpedo, EXOCET...
Another exemple : the synchone fire of 2 SCALP NAVAL from a frigate and a SSN on a same target some months ago. Somes years ago it was found far too costly.

 

[snakeeyes07]

= Bull Shit.

Then how is it still in the operationalization/testing phase with Germany and Italy as of early 2025?

Looks like they are still not FOC cleared with these 2 airforces.

Italian Typhoons Complete Second Meteor BVRAAM Testing Campaign in the UK

The Italian Air Force conducted a live firing campaign at the UK‘s Hebrides range, with Typhoons and F-35s involved. The Italian Air Force has announced

theaviationist.com

First Successful Firing of MBDA Meteor Missile From a German Eurofighter

First Successful Firing of MBDA Meteor Missile From a German Eurofighter

armyrecognition.com

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCySfFl3Tss

 

[sunnyv]

If someone has pic of Rafale with Litening Pod kindly share it plese

 

[pythonlover]

I am very well aware of this. Lets ignore the media coverage & SM trends. There are few aspects to the Indian approach in Op Sindhoor:

1. India's aim is to target terror infrastructure
2. India's aim is not to escalate or target Pakistan military.
3. If Pak military escalates, India will also climb the escalation ladder & dominate it. (I am not sure if you agree with this)

Can we agree that this is the doctrine India wanted Pakistan & the world governments to understand at the start?

At the end of the Op. Modi conveyed a new doctrine:

4. Going forward India will not seperate between terrorists & Pak Military.

Yup, in theory this is the new normal. We will have to wait and see whether this govt or any new govt walks the talk or not.

here is where I disagree with you & the govt., if this was in fact their thought process this time. I would agree with this thought process if this was 2019 when Indian military & political planners had no precendence on how Pakistan would react to an attack on terror camps. In 2019, Pakistan had all the circumstances needed to just cope. The target was remote, they spun a story about IAF missing the target, hurting only trees & crows, They could have just told the world nothing happened & coped, yet they attacked.

if our planners thought after making a public spectacle by striking prominent terror HQs, Pakistan would just cope & do nothing. I am sorry that is just piss poor planning. Any decent planner should have told you a response is coming, the only reason IAF wasn't engaged on the night of the attack in 2019 was because IAF had the advantage of surprise. Pak military planners didn't think India will actually use the airforce.

I don't think govt & IAF didn't know that Pakis would not retaliate. Of course they knew that they will attack when we will be bombing terrorist camps. My point was that govt hoped that once the mission of bombing terrorist targets was complete, that was it. They didn't want to escalate. As to why IAF didn't fire a single BVRAAM, we clearly don't know. Not a single BVRAAM wreckage from our side has been found.

Well I think it does, what was the reason Pakistan proxies carried out an act they should have known would evoke a miltary response from India. Their militaries historicaly weak perception among the public & to bring back the bogey of the almost dead Kashmir issue.

Make no mistake, Pak military also doesn't want a long war, either. They know they wouldn't fair well. the longer it goes the more the probability of it becoming a 71 kind of rout or at least a kargil kind of embabassment. IM planners should plan to start with a bloody nose, else it is just an invitation for their military to perpetuate terror attacks in India when their domestic situation isn't great.

That is my point too, isn't it? Paki people themselves need not know whether they won or lost. Who needs to know this is the Paki military. They are the one who control and fund the Jihadi network. They are the one who needed to know that the things have changed and new equations have arisen in the subcontinent. And I think we gave them decent dose of that. I think after Balakot strike, Paki military still had somehow thought they really gave us a bloody nose after shooting down a Mig-21. May be they still had sem 2 sem delusion. This time nothing like that happened. Pakis may think that they destroyed S-400, shot down 6 planes (it started with 4, increasing day by day), destroyed battery etc etc, but their military knows what is the reality. Important people in the govt world over too know that.

Also I would like to tell you, you cannot win a narrative war with Pakis, inside Pakistan. That country is delusional beyond belief. Though their delusions have somewhat decreased with India's economic rise, you should have seen them in 2010s.

 

[BON PLAN]

Then how is it still in the operationalization/testing phase with Germany and Italy as of early 2025?

Looks like they are still not FOC cleared with these 2 airforces.

Italian Typhoons Complete Second Meteor BVRAAM Testing Campaign in the UK

The Italian Air Force conducted a live firing campaign at the UK‘s Hebrides range, with Typhoons and F-35s involved. The Italian Air Force has announced

theaviationist.com

First Successful Firing of MBDA Meteor Missile From a German Eurofighter

First Successful Firing of MBDA Meteor Missile From a German Eurofighter

armyrecognition.com

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCySfFl3Tss

Because all is late inside Eurofighter consortium.
It's not because Meteor is not yet integrated onf EF2000 that it is the case for Rafale.

Remember the first tests on eurocanards : Gripen first, Rafale second, EF last.

I add that EF has now some new radars. That means new tests to be made. It may be part of the answer.

 

[Migflug]

You have to consider IAF doctrine for that. MKI isn’t front line jet or interceptor in IAF inventory to get involved in a dog fight. MKi is used in ( A2G) role to bomb the shit out of enemies and tactics of IAF for MKI is to dodge any in coming missiles staying far from BVR missile ranges. Astra is agile missile integrated to MKI but not preferred or employable unless IAF tweaks tactics and pits MKI directly against enemy fighters in A2A role.

So, the Raptor of Asia is no longer a frontline aircraft? Who is responsible for that?? And if Astra 1 is our longest BVR, what was the point of buying Rafale? For the last 20 years, the IAF has been saying there is no plan B besides Rafale. By the time it comes equipped with Meteor, it will again be irrelevant against the J-35.
So, we will remain at a disadvantage in BVR against an enemy 10X smaller than us. Who is responsible for that?? Will IAF/MOD ever be held accountable?

 

[Gandaberunda]

So, the Raptor of Asia is no longer a frontline aircraft? Who is responsible for that?? And if Astra 1 is our longest BVR, what was the point of buying Rafale? For the last 20 years, the IAF has been saying there is no plan B besides Rafale. By the time it comes equipped with Meteor, it will again be irrelevant against the J-35.
So, we will remain at a disadvantage in BVR against an enemy 10X smaller than us. Who is responsible for that?? Will IAF/MOD ever be held accountable?

So, the Raptor of Asia is no longer a frontline aircraft?

Raptor was never a front line aircraft then how come raptor of the east?

And if Astra 1 is our longest BVR

Nope. r37 is the longest BVR in IAF inventory

what was the point of buying Rafale? For the last 20 years, the IAF has been saying there is no plan B besides Rafale

Rafale was MRCA and advanced 4.5 gen aircraft back then frankly acquisition got dragged for 20 years and plan B is 114 MRFA

By the time it comes equipped with Meteor, it will again be irrelevant against the J-35.

Wrong. J-35 is not even production ready not even LSP in Chinese airforce. Looks like you have consumed porki Churan heavily and meteor integration isn’t 10+ years away to do dhoti shivering also when IAF evaluated Rafale in 2012 it didn’t even had BVR capability.

we will remain at a disadvantage in BVR against an enemy 10X smaller than us

Well they already have PL-15 and we have r37 and Astra MKl/ll in limited quantities. The balance shifts how effectively one can utilise these missiles.

IAF/MOD will ever be held accountable

Have you ever seen any govt/PSU being accountable? Nobody has balls to ask right questions to Kadi kinda and the foolish IT cell was trending Fund Kaveri on X and that incompetent Amit shah was proud how IT cell cookies were aware of Kaveri engine program

 

[Migflug]

Raptor was never a front line aircraft then how come raptor of the east?

I guess you are new to the defence community , any veteran would know how famous Su30MKI was in the 2000s !!

Nope. r37 is the longest BVR in IAF inventory

Too bulky and its basically an AWCS killer, not a jet killer

Rafale was MRCA and advanced 4.5 gen aircraft back then frankly acquisition got dragged for 20 years and plan B is 114 MRFA

MRFA is basically MMRCA with a slightly smaller number. OG MMRCA was brought to buy Mirage 2000, now we have even Su-57 competing in it

Wrong. J-35 is not even production ready not even LSP in Chinese airforce. Looks like you have consumed porki Churan heavily and meteor integration isn’t 10+ years away to do dhoti shivering also when IAF evaluated Rafale in 2012 it didn’t even had BVR capability.

No, it had MICA back then. Also, irrespective of how advanced Rafale is today or F5 is in the future, it will remain inferior to J35. Underestimating Chinese planes would be fatal!!

Well they already have PL-15 and we have r37 and Astra MKl/ll in limited quantities. The balance shifts how effectively one can utilise these missiles.

R37 is basically an AWACS killer, it's too heavy based on 80s tech, while PL15 is a modern dual pulse missile. Astra 2 is comparable to PL15!!

Have you ever seen any govt/PSU being accountable? Nobody has balls to ask right questions to Kadi kinda and the foolish IT cell was trending Fund Kaveri on X and that incompetent Amit shah was proud how IT cell cookies were aware of Kaveri engine program

Personally, I would say more than government and PSUs, it's the IAF which is more responsible for the current situation !!