DRDO and PSU's

In my opinion, it's more like 1, then in 3.
I guess we still have ways to go to achieve parity in some of above points. Americans were able to juice out the basic single pulse AMRAAM to 160km and I believe they are still trying to juice out more out from the basic form factor.
We should ideally see continuous improvement in the basic Astra mk-1 design and subsequently mk-2 dual pulse design as well.
 
I guess we still have ways to go to achieve parity in some of above points. Americans were able to juice out the basic single pulse AMRAAM to 160km and I believe they are still trying to juice out more out from the basic form factor.
We should ideally see continuous improvement in the basic Astra mk-1 design and subsequently mk-2 dual pulse design as well.
Will they keep on working on it to advance astra mk1&2 ? Ig they will put all resources in mk3.
 
Let's talk about our favourite PSU...Advanced Weapons and Equipment India Limited or AWEIL.

AWEIL employs a workforce of almost 14,000 people.
To put that into perspective, SIG Sauer employs 3,200 people, FN Herstal employs 3,000, and Heckler & Koch just 1,200. In short, if you were to double the combined workforce of three of the most significant firearms manufacturers in the world, you would arrive at AWEIL's workforce size.

Established in 1904
Rifle Factory Ishapore was established in 1904, making it one of the oldest organizations in India. However, what is even more interesting is what it has (or hasn’t) done in these 120 years. Even after over a century, it has not designed a single machine gun of any type, auto-cannon, automatic grenade launcher, any kind of rocket launcher/recoilless rifle, or any firearm utilizing a short-stroke gas piston, nor has it developed any pistol—let alone a modern polymer-framed one.

The thing with Ammunition
Ammunition used to be the bread and butter for OFBs (Ordnance Factory Boards), as there was absolutely no competition in this sector. They consistently received orders 24/7 to supply everyone from the police to the navy. However, in recent years, new ammunition manufacturers, especially SSS Defence and Hughes Precision, have slowly been eating into their market share. When massively influential players like Adani enter the market, they will likely be able to operate with a no-loss, no-profit model for at least a few years, given their other profitable businesses.

The Attitude
For decades, they have successfully strong-armed the government into accepting their mediocrity. Multiple reform initiatives have been attempted, but they almost always end in strikes. This issue becomes further complicated when examining senior positions in the OFB, as almost none of them are held by younger individuals.

So ultimately the question is, when in the next few years their ammunition sales drop significantly and same happens with firearms as more and more private players pop up; what would they do? Especially with this huge workforce.
 
Let's talk about our favourite PSU...Advanced Weapons and Equipment India Limited or AWEIL.

AWEIL employs a workforce of almost 14,000 people.
To put that into perspective, SIG Sauer employs 3,200 people, FN Herstal employs 3,000, and Heckler & Koch just 1,200. In short, if you were to double the combined workforce of three of the most significant firearms manufacturers in the world, you would arrive at AWEIL's workforce size.

Established in 1904
Rifle Factory Ishapore was established in 1904, making it one of the oldest organizations in India. However, what is even more interesting is what it has (or hasn’t) done in these 120 years. Even after over a century, it has not designed a single machine gun of any type, auto-cannon, automatic grenade launcher, any kind of rocket launcher/recoilless rifle, or any firearm utilizing a short-stroke gas piston, nor has it developed any pistol—let alone a modern polymer-framed one.

The thing with Ammunition
Ammunition used to be the bread and butter for OFBs (Ordnance Factory Boards), as there was absolutely no competition in this sector. They consistently received orders 24/7 to supply everyone from the police to the navy. However, in recent years, new ammunition manufacturers, especially SSS Defence and Hughes Precision, have slowly been eating into their market share. When massively influential players like Adani enter the market, they will likely be able to operate with a no-loss, no-profit model for at least a few years, given their other profitable businesses.

The Attitude
For decades, they have successfully strong-armed the government into accepting their mediocrity. Multiple reform initiatives have been attempted, but they almost always end in strikes. This issue becomes further complicated when examining senior positions in the OFB, as almost none of them are held by younger individuals.

So ultimately the question is, when in the next few years their ammunition sales drop significantly and same happens with firearms as more and more private players pop up; what would they do? Especially with this huge workforce.
Answer - Protests, like they always do, it was a fuck*ng miracle Modi even managed to corporatise and break OFB into smaller companies in the first place.

As for what would happen next, govt will slowly reduce their workforce and size but keep them afloat because not having a govt controlled ammo production agency is something GoI will never accept
 

This is what happens when we design develop and (adopt) our solutions.
We tweek them to our requirements and needs.
Foreign maal is may be jack of all trades(terrain), but we need master of our terrain.

Hats off to the engineers who made this possible. 🫡

We have talents in India to do the Design & Development.
But our babus needs to learn that Adoption is the only way to fuel the above.
 
There're no alternative to the sheer firepower the Apache brings to the battlefield.
There is; and it's called competence.

> Unless it's 40mm or more, it doesn't matter what caliber your auto-cannon is against a MBT type targets. So both, the 30mm of Apache and 20mm of LCH would struggle the same against any heavy armoured target.
As for soft armored, it doesn't really matter much. Even a well designed .50 BMG HE-I can wreak similar havoc.

> We have a shit ton of excellent ATGMs; NAG, HELINA, PROSPINA, SANT...with some even analogous to Brimstone class missiles, let alone Hellfire.
But for some weird reasons it seems all our focus is on coming up with new and more catchy acronyms for ATGMs instead of actually integrating one on LCH.
Maybe we're waiting for some brahm-muhrt that I'm not aware.

> We know that all pylons of LCH are rated for atleast 175kg (31kg launcher and twelve 70mm rockets for 144kg). And if brochure is believed then it becomes 250kg. Still the most cutting edge thing for us is a twin tube launcher for HELINA.
A twin tube when you can very easily carry a quad or even pent launcher.

> For atleast five decades multiple OFBs are making 68mm SNEB rockets as those used to be the mainstay of Anglo-French jets. Even after realising as early as 2008-9 that now 70mm would be the standard issue rocket they failed to do something as simple as up-gunning the 68 to 70mm.
After more than 15 years a private firm (Adani) took the initiative to set up a JV to make 70mm rockets.
 
There is; and it's called competence.

> Unless it's 40mm or more, it doesn't matter what caliber your auto-cannon is against a MBT type targets. So both, the 30mm of Apache and 20mm of LCH would struggle the same against any heavy armoured target.
As for soft armored, it doesn't really matter much. Even a well designed .50 BMG HE-I can wreak similar havoc.

> We have a shit ton of excellent ATGMs; NAG, HELINA, PROSPINA, SANT...with some even analogous to Brimstone class missiles, let alone Hellfire.
But for some weird reasons it seems all our focus is on coming up with new and more catchy acronyms for ATGMs instead of actually integrating one on LCH.
Maybe we're waiting for some brahm-muhrt that I'm not aware.

> We know that all pylons of LCH are rated for atleast 175kg (31kg launcher and twelve 70mm rockets for 144kg). And if brochure is believed then it becomes 250kg. Still the most cutting edge thing for us is a twin tube launcher for HELINA.
A twin tube when you can very easily carry a quad or even pent launcher.

> For atleast five decades multiple OFBs are making 68mm SNEB rockets as those used to be the mainstay of Anglo-French jets. Even after realising as early as 2008-9 that now 70mm would be the standard issue rocket they failed to do something as simple as up-gunning the 68 to 70mm.
After more than 15 years a private firm (Adani) took the initiative to set up a JV to make 70mm rockets.
Thanks for the exhaustive information but are all these available on the LCH today ? More importantly were these capabilities available when the decision to acquire the Apaches were made around 2010 give or take as an integral part of the CSD ?
 
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DRDO devloped HMDS

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Holy fuck is this thing ugly and impractical to use, no wonder the IAF prefers the yahoodi HMDS
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How does it compare to available contemporary HMDS and the ones touted for the jf17? And what do we use for LCA?

I could care less about looks at this point, as long as they deliver a product that is in line with the current threat perceptions and capabilities we need from such a helmet
 
DRDO devloped HMDS

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Holy fuck is this thing ugly and impractical to use, no wonder the IAF prefers the yahoodi HMDS
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It looks like a reverse engineered Shchel 3UM (Russian HMDS)

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This is just a simple HMS, not an HMDS.
Excuse me Sir, do you have a moment to talk about our lord the savoir Jesus Christ?
For love of him, remove two more letters from HMS
Holy fuck is this thing ugly and impractical to use, no wonder the IAF prefers the yahoodi HMDS
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> The integrated helmet mask assembly has been designed to...
> Defence Bio-Engineering & Electro Medical Laboratory...

How on earth would a lab tasked with bio-engineering and medical design suddenly come up with Helmet Mounted Sight and Display!? Read the first line slowly, they've designed just the H of a HMDS. The round shiny thingy with inside comfy thingy one puts on. That's it.

And the attached HMDS in the pic that you're calling ugly and impractical is definitely both of that but not because it was designed by DRDO; but because designed in early 1980s it's the world's very first proper HMD system.

That's almost half a century old Russian Shchel-3UM HMD, first fielded on MiG-29s.
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How does it compare to available contemporary HMDS and the ones touted for the jf17? And what do we use for LCA?

I could care less about looks at this point, as long as they deliver a product that is in line with the current threat perceptions and capabilities we need from such a helmet
I hope you got your answer.
 

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