DRDO and PSUs

[Fatalis]

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IAF? It should be IA. The source is not correct at all

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

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Wasn't qrsam meant for army

 

[fire starter]

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[Kapil]

I think our SAMs are :
1. 15 squadrons(8 launchers per squadron) of Akash - out of which first 2+6 were delivered by 2013 and rest 7 were with seeker and should have been delivered by 2019-20. Each of these should have 125 missiles(5 reloads). This should be used for point defence.
2. 9 squadrons(Can someone confirm if it was 18 launchers or 18 battalions) of Spyder SAM. Some 750+750 Python and Derby were ordered with these as per SIPRI. Again, this should be used for point defence.
3. SAMAR 1 and 2 - jugaad solution by IAF to use EOL R73 and R27 missiles. I am not sure if R77s are also being used this way, or will go this way if Astra mk1 gets inducted in good numbers. There should be over 1000 such missiles still in action with SAMAR 1 and 2, not sure about exact numbers though, as R73 and R27 ordering information and EOL details are not public.
4. Old systems. Not sure but some Pechora were 'digitalized' to make them work longer. Someone with more knowledge than I have can pitch in.
5. MRSAM - 9 squadrons having 6 launchers in each. I believe at least 3-4 squadrons should be live now. Used for area defence.
6. S400 - 3 squadrons deployed, all can target western sector. Used for theatre defence.

Add to this IA orders for 2+2 regiments of Akash SAM and 5 regiments of MRSAM.

Except MRSAM, I believe all others are completely delivered and deployed.

So we should be ok against fighter, cruise missile, MALE and HALE UAV defence etc.

We don't have anything against saturation attacks from rockets and drones both(something which is cheap per interceptor round and can be used like iron dome). None of the systems stated above can handle more than 20-30 interceptions before reload(depends on Pk as well but still).

Adding to this - realised that
1. We should be having 16 (or 24 if the options were exercised) squadrons of Pechoras as well. They were upgraded by private sector involvement with Russia.
2. We have 4 LSP QRSAM systems( I don't know what 'system' means here but guess it must be 4 launchers rather than 4 batteries or 4 squadrons)

 

[Pundit Pikachu]

Recently found out the reason for the excess weight.
1. The Missile has a cooled seeker(compared to uncooled seeker present on Karaok), this is because IA had asked for MPATGM to be able to operate smoothly in scorching heat of Rajasthan, due to this a cooled seeker was necessary, which increased the weight of the CLU
But honestly even then it's still a bit overweight.

2. IA had asked for a minimum engagement range of 200m, which is very less compared to other ATGMs with minimum engagement range of 500m, this necessitated a more complex design and more testing

However nothing explains the gross Incompetence of taking 6 years in developmental trials alone.
God knows when will user trials end and when will it be ordered in large enough numbers.

Both DRDO and IA are masters of endless snail pace testing

I predict LSP will not be ordered before 2027 and Mass production Wil not start before 2030, meaning it took 15 years to reach from concept to mass production which is just SAD

Mann, All my Excuses were false, This Thing is Shite.
Turkish Karaok ATGM overall weight is 25kg, whereas ours MPATGM has a weight of 30kg
Just How delusional was I back then


MPATGM Brochure (From Vigyan Vaibhav 2025)





Range : 200m to 2.5 Km
Guidance : IIR Seeker (un-cooled)
Missile Weight: <15 kg
Launcher Weight: <15 kg
Length : ~1300mm
Diameter : 120 mm
Altitude : ???
Speed : ??
Warhead Impact : Tandem Warhead with >600mm on RHA
Propulsion : Smokeless Dual Pulse Solid Rocket Motor
Launcher : Tripod Based
Temprature Range -20°C to +45°C
Shelf Life: 10 years
Status : Under Final User Trials

 

[Dhartiputra]

Time is the key armed forces and government,drdo should not consider it luxury.I think this incident should awake there student syle pschye who only prepare 2-3 days before exam.

 

[Hawkeye]

Mann, All my Excuses were false, This Thing is Shite.
Turkish Karaok ATGM overall weight is 25kg, whereas ours MPATGM has a weight of 30kg
Just How delusional was I back then


MPATGM Brochure (From Vigyan Vaibhav 2025)

View attachment 33934

View attachment 33939

Range : 200m to 2.5 Km
Guidance : IIR Seeker (un-cooled)
Missile Weight: <15 kg
Launcher Weight: <15 kg
Length : ~1300mm
Diameter : 120 mm
Altitude : ???
Speed : ??
Warhead Impact : Tandem Warhead with >600mm on RHA
Propulsion : Smokeless Dual Pulse Solid Rocket Motor
Launcher : Tripod Based
Temprature Range -20°C to +45°C
Shelf Life: 10 years
Status : Under Final User Trials

sab Shi toh h, ye RR kya lga rkha h.
15 kgs for missile + 15kgs for tripod+CLU

Turkish atgm missile weighs a kg more than mpatgm and is 25kg for ready to fire mode because it is shoulder fired only, no tripod weight.

I don't see what this sudden Vishwa vilap is over.

Certify MPATGM for shoulder fire with CLU and it will easily weigh less than 25kgs ready to fire. And minimum changes will be needed if required.

Indian Army asked for tripod, just like UK army asked for tripod with javelin even though it can be shoulder fired.

Seriously though, making an issue of a non-issue is stupid when there are other systems you can do vidwa vilap over.

 

[Pundit Pikachu]

sab Shi toh h, ye RR kya lga rkha h.
15 kgs for missile + 15kgs for tripod+CLU

Turkish atgm missile weighs a kg more than mpatgm and is 25kg for ready to fire mode because it is shoulder fired only, no tripod weight.

I don't see what this sudden Vishwa vilap is over.

Certify MPATGM for shoulder fire with CLU and it will easily weigh less than 25kgs ready to fire. And minimum changes will be needed if required.

Indian Army asked for tripod, just like UK army asked for tripod with javelin even though it can be shoulder fired.

Seriously though, making an issue of a non-issue is stupid when there are other systems you can do vidwa vilap over.

Are you sure cause, these brochures here seem to suggest otherwise

The weight of CLU seems to solely consist of TAS and CCU and not a tripod.

Anyways here's some other brochures suggesting different values such as 650mm RHA instead of 600mm RHA and Dual Thrust Motor instead of dual pulse Motor and Flight Time of 17 sec

 

[Hawkeye]

Are you sure cause, these brochures here seem to suggest otherwise
View attachment 34000
The weight of CLU seems to solely consist of TAS and CCU and not a tripod.

Anyways here's some other brochures suggesting different values such as 650mm RHA instead of 600mm RHA and Dual Thrust Motor instead of dual pulse Motor and Flight Time of 17 sec
View attachment 34004
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Indian brochures are the height of I don't know what is going on. Like seeing 80km range for Akash NG in a Drdo video yet same Drdo poster saying it's 30km later on. Also, see the range vs payload graph for Shaurya and you are supposed to believe that Pralay range is only 400 km with puny 370kg warhead when new gen rocket motor and light weight structure and materials are being used to make the missile. Anything short of 600km is unbelievable. Same for the recently unveiled BM-04 missile based on Agni-P.

In this case, best case to infer your own estimate is by logic, mpatgm is a design after 2015, here is the official pic of clu of mpatgm


It's an integrated clu unlike that of earlier spike atgm where thermal sight was a clip on type on the CLU unit, even Israelis introduced their new ICLU

To this

This has networking capability integrated as well.

There is no way in hell that our CLU weighs some 15kgs even for the world's best worst design.
Infact our CLU seems in class of shoulder fired atgm clus like that of other 3rd gen manportable atgms whose Clus are in class of 5-8kgs. I don't think ours should vary from this range.



In the latest mpatgm developmental test video, no clear picture of clu was seen.
It could be anything in our case, old brochure data, unoptimised tripod weight or design. I just don't know how only a clu can weigh this much like 15kgs. Pretty sure tripod is included in launcher weight.

Even the super duper ultra uber karaok atgm clu looks pretty similiar to Drdo atgm clu, unless ofcourse they changed the design which is unlikely.

 

[Bleh]

While all large Paki cities were engulfed in flame by not a single hit till now in India. I almost teared up.

Difference between Chinki & desi tech.

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[ArjunMK1A]

While all large Paki cities were engulfed in flame by not a single hit till now in India. I almost teared up.

Difference between Chinki & desi tech.

View: https://x.com/FrontalForce/status/1920506565557383516/

View: https://x.com/GoJammukashmir/status/1920502657065656420/

View: https://x.com/Goreunit/status/1920507456918032618/

Is it Iron Dome is more like an Mortar defense system, since HAMAS rockets behaves like that.

But agreed may be our SAM systems can be used against multiple type of threats. Good to see that we have dense ADS coverage. Same things should be against 5 foot chinaman.