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This is exactly what we need. You need a plane with big ass internal bays to deliver big ass payloads.
I believe, it all depends on IAF if they ask Drdo to make such a system. Maybe, first flight of AMCA and Ghatak will give them some confidence, will prove a lot of tech for 5+ gen planes.
I hope we sort out the engine situation as well. And better start a program for big ass stealth plane, as it will easily take 10-12 years for first induction from project conceptualization phase.

Anyway don't hate me if I say J-36 is a superb concept materialised in reality. It solved their long range anti air, anti AWACS, heavy strike both in land/sea domain, very long range capability and disadvantages of planes taking from Tibet.

IAF would be hard pressed in developing countermeasures against this.
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Yup, you need an successor aircraft to SU30 class heavy fighters. People here cheering for dozens of F-35, SU-57 not getting the clear picture. Buying this planes is like renting the bike, you can use it happily buy you cannot modify anything and the lender may ask high prize for doing the job.


F35
1. No access to the Radars.
2. Collected information will be passed into centralized USAF Database.
3. High probability of disallowing mating of Indigenous/Russian weapons.
4. Subjected to US Whims.

SU57
1. Inferior Stealth.
2. Russian Engines have similar Power output but poor Life. (known problem IAF faced).
3. Inferior Avionics.
4. Too much upgradation India needs to pick up similar to SU30 Program. Which questions that are we buying Ariframe and engines only.

Advantages of an Indian Platform.

1. Complete control over Mission computers, Radars.
2. Ability to mate Russian, Indian, Western weapons without asking permission.
3. Indian Avionics can be mated and optimized very well.
4. By having an Airframe design, Indian Scientist have clear understanding regarding the aerodynamic behavior of various designs. Helps them in long term when we are designing future platforms.
How do we think Tejas MK2, AMCA in better timeline. The precursor is Tejas Program which shed lights on various things like Control laws, Aerodynamics of the design we have taken. Billions lines of data points we are having from these program.

ADA needs to develop the Next gen Heavy fighter. GOI should start loosing up their purses. GTRE needs testing facility and we are not ready to provide anything to them. More the data we collect, more we can understand and improve the product.

No Full fledge Wind Tunnel, No FTB and we are expecting these guys to give F404/F414 style engines by moving the engines to Russia for FTB, Germany for Wind tunnel testing. Just massive delays in just doing test alone.

Also Ghatak does not get any funding till now. MOD babus were sitting on files on average 4-5 years and then everyone blames the DRDO, HAL and other vendors. ISTAR, SCA planes were not get any fund, Netra MK2 were stuck in intermediate steps, Netra MK1 (buying second hand ERJ-145) is stuck. Netra MK1 and MK2 can be easily done in 5 years.

Within 5 years, IAF can rapidly expand its AWACS capability.

1. Netra MK1 based on ERJ 145 - 3 + 6 (Second hand frame)
2. Netra MK2 based on Airbus A321 - 6.
3. ISTAR, SCA - Procure the Planes.

Speed run the CATS Program which may give CATS Hunter PGM which is similar to SCALP. Lot of stuffs India needs to do on faster level to gain good military capability.
 
ArjunMK1A said:
Yup, you need an successor aircraft to SU30 class heavy fighters. People here cheering for dozens of F-35, SU-57 not getting the clear picture. Buying this planes is like renting the bike, you can use it happily buy you cannot modify anything and the lender may ask high prize for doing the job.


F35
1. No access to the Radars.
2. Collected information will be passed into centralized USAF Database.
3. High probability of disallowing mating of Indigenous/Russian weapons.
4. Subjected to US Whims.

SU57
1. Inferior Stealth.
2. Russian Engines have similar Power output but poor Life. (known problem IAF faced).
3. Inferior Avionics.
4. Too much upgradation India needs to pick up similar to SU30 Program. Which questions that are we buying Ariframe and engines only.

Advantages of an Indian Platform.

1. Complete control over Mission computers, Radars.
2. Ability to mate Russian, Indian, Western weapons without asking permission.
3. Indian Avionics can be mated and optimized very well.
4. By having an Airframe design, Indian Scientist have clear understanding regarding the aerodynamic behavior of various designs. Helps them in long term when we are designing future platforms.
How do we think Tejas MK2, AMCA in better timeline. The precursor is Tejas Program which shed lights on various things like Control laws, Aerodynamics of the design we have taken. Billions lines of data points we are having from these program.

ADA needs to develop the Next gen Heavy fighter. GOI should start loosing up their purses. GTRE needs testing facility and we are not ready to provide anything to them. More the data we collect, more we can understand and improve the product.

No Full fledge Wind Tunnel, No FTB and we are expecting these guys to give F404/F414 style engines by moving the engines to Russia for FTB, Germany for Wind tunnel testing. Just massive delays in just doing test alone.

Also Ghatak does not get any funding till now. MOD babus were sitting on files on average 4-5 years and then everyone blames the DRDO, HAL and other vendors. ISTAR, SCA planes were not get any fund, Netra MK2 were stuck in intermediate steps, Netra MK1 (buying second hand ERJ-145) is stuck. Netra MK1 and MK2 can be easily done in 5 years.

Within 5 years, IAF can rapidly expand its AWACS capability.

1. Netra MK1 based on ERJ 145 - 3 + 6 (Second hand frame)
2. Netra MK2 based on Airbus A321 - 6.
3. ISTAR, SCA - Procure the Planes.

Speed run the CATS Program which may give CATS Hunter PGM which is similar to SCALP. Lot of stuffs India needs to do on faster level to gain good military capability.
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Good points but you should see the design specs of both Ghatak and AMCA.
1. From a platform perspective, both don't even come close to the ranges Su30MKi or any heavy fighter brings to the table.
2. From payload perspective they don't carry any weapon which can do what Brahmos-A did in last 2-3 days.

Fact is that Su30MKi being replaced by AMCA is a fallacy which IAF must have realized post Sindoor or even by studying Russian invasion of Ukraine where heaviest are dropping heavy bombs as sdb types 125 or 250kg bomb is not cutting it in certain scenarios where you have just one pass at the target and you want to make sure it is done an destroyed.
We need AHCA or HCA, whatever works and IAF has already started those studies.
With the speed which we move at, I am expecting it to replace Su30MKi only around 2050.

All.flying platforms we are developing just give us superior capabilities in medium range radius of ops.
 
Kapil said:
Good points but you should see the design specs of both Ghatak and AMCA.
1. From a platform perspective, both don't even come close to the ranges Su30MKi or any heavy fighter brings to the table.
2. From payload perspective they don't carry any weapon which can do what Brahmos-A did in last 2-3 days.

Fact is that Su30MKi being replaced by AMCA is a fallacy which IAF must have realized post Sindoor or even by studying Russian invasion of Ukraine where heaviest are dropping heavy bombs as sdb types 125 or 250kg bomb is not cutting it in certain scenarios where you have just one pass at the target and you want to make sure it is done an destroyed.
We need AHCA or HCA, whatever works and IAF has already started those studies.
With the speed which we move at, I am expecting it to replace Su30MKi only around 2050.

All.flying platforms we are developing just give us superior capabilities in medium range radius of ops.
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Exactly.... I think for AHCA class of aircraft INDIA can directly start indigenously a new bigger 6th gen fighter program in upcoming 3 to 4 years... I know domestic high thrust engine is a void, but we can work on it around the upcoming Joint venture Engine program... It is better idea than Inducting Su57 in my opinion.
 
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