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[Anants]

I seriously ask you have you ever seen a 6×6 with a bed length of 8.5 m, cause I for sure haven't.

Also It's not just about the ground pressure on roads what about when you have to shoot and scoot what are you going to do then

They are looking for trg 300 like system probably....

 

[Corvus Splendens]

I seriously ask you have you ever seen a 6×6 with a bed length of 8.5 m, cause I for sure haven't.

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[Pundit Pikachu]

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Nope Bed size is 21 feet long or in other words 6 m long not 8.5.

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They are looking for trg 300 like system probably....

Which would have been fine if the length of TRG 300 was 7.6m and not ~5 m.
But Bad luck I guess.
Leave the bed size I doubt even The whole damm truck is 8.6m long.
I don't think you folks realise how freggin long a 7.6m rocket actually are

 

[Anants]

Nope Bed size is 21 feet long or in other words 6 m long not 8.5.

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Which would have been fine if the length of TRG 300 was 7.6m and not ~5 m.
But Bad luck I guess.
Leave the bed size I doubt even The whole damm truck is 8.6m long.
I don't think you folks realise how freggin long a 7.6m rocket actually are

So you did not read my original post. As I said they would need fatter shorter rockets to be on 6x6

 

[Pundit Pikachu]

So you did not read my original post. As I said they would need fatter shorter rockets to be on 6x6

The RFI explicitly States a 6×6 able to carry a 7.6m 300mm rocket.
A fatter shorter rocket would be DRDO's 300mm pinaka rocket, which current launchers can easily carry.
So I don't exactly understand what's this RFI for

 

[Anants]

Grok says Tatea phoeni

The RFI explicitly States a 6×6 able to carry a 7.6m 300mm rocket.
A fatter shorter rocket would be DRDO's 300mm pinaka rocket, which current launchers can easily carry.
So I don't exactly understand what's this RFI for
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Not sure but there seems no pinaka 300 mm missile as of now. Also 6x6 trucks with 8 meter bed exist. Like Tatra phoenix or ashok fat 6x6

 

[Hawkeye]

So you did not read my original post. As I said they would need fatter shorter rockets to be on 6x6

Read RFI

 

[Anants]

Read RFI

Did, how it affects my proposition in musing?

 

[Hawkeye]

View: https://x.com/WarThunder/status/1923390390704517546

Finally some indian defence weapon/vehicle in a game.

 

[Hawkeye]

Did, how it affects my proposition in musing?

You kept saying fatter rockets like Israeli Extra even though RFI specifically states for 7.6m rockets. And LRGR is there which is our fatter rocket so whatever.

RFI asks for A, you kept saying B. Doesn't makes sense.

Anyway the point is user should have better sense to ask for the fatter and shorter 300mm rocket instead of the lengthier one if a 6x6 truck is the requirement.

 

[Anants]

You kept saying fatter rockets like Israeli Extra even though RFI specifically states for 7.6m rockets. And LRGR is there which is our fatter rocket so whatever.

RFI asks for A, you kept saying B. Doesn't makes sense.

Anyway the point is user should have better sense to ask for the fatter and shorter 300mm rocket instead of the lengthier one if a 6x6 truck is the requirement.

That’s the point of discussion, isn’t it? And when has an RFI ever been not been redrafted? Akso it bay not even beed redraft ad An RFI response doesn’t have to be a 100% match. The RFI is simply a tool to probe the market for available offerings. The details will come in the RFP once the Army decides what is feasible based on the responses received to the RFI.

If the Army receives a response with the required range, weight, caliber, and class — but using a shorter, fatter rocket — it won’t be disqualified. The term used is "broader," meaning that, at most, a 300 mm missile similar to the Smerch (in length and weight) could be offered and accepted. This may seem impractical on a 6x6 platform, but the RFI does not preclude a shorter, fatter missile achieving the same impact and range.

 

[vampyrbladez]

View: https://x.com/NDTVProfitIndia/status/1925099015236162027

 

[Cyclops]

Whatever happened to the Naval-Pinaka some were talking about a few months back?
Was that just vaporware or real?

Naval and Air Force Plans for Pinaka System Integration​

Beyond the Army, DRDO is also working on specialized variants of the Pinaka system for the Indian Navy and Air Force. In particular, the naval version is designed for underwater operations and submarine countermeasures, with an impressive range of 75 km. The first trial of this naval variant is scheduled to take place later this year, marking a significant step towards enhancing India's naval defence capabilities.

India’s DRDO Pushes Boundaries with New 120 km Pinaka Rocket to Upgrade Army’s Precision Strike Systems

The new variant will be launched from the Pinaka Multi Barrel Rocket Launcher (MBRL) and is designed to be compatible with existing launchers, offering a cost-effective solution for enhancing India’s firepower.

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Coz we know, ARDE already has developed extended range ASW rockets for the RBU-6000.

 

[Pundit Pikachu]

That’s the point of discussion, isn’t it? And when has an RFI ever been not been redrafted

If you need multiple redrafts to write a coherent RFI which follows common sense then you need more than court Marshal for Incompetence you need spanking.
Only thing "needing multiple redrafts" shows is lack of gray matter in policy makers.
I think you folks have forgotten the clusterf*uck of a RFI that was FRCV.

Akso it bay not even beed redraft ad An RFI response doesn’t have to be a 100% match

Oh it has to be because it explicitly States it should be able to carry existing 300mm 7.6m rockets
Emphasis on existing and 7.6m
Basically they want a 6×6 to be able to carry our existing Smerch rockets

The RFI is simply a tool to probe the market for available offerings

That does not mean you start going around and asking for unobtanium, that's just inefficient and plain stoopid

If the Army receives a response with the required range, weight, caliber, and class — but using a shorter, fatter rocket — it won’t be disqualified.

For Christ's sake mate, It doesn't not matter if you can deliver Smerch equivalent payload and range in a 1m rocket, what matters here (as explicitly stated in the RFI) is a 6×6 vehicle capable of carrying Smerch rockets

The term used is "broader," meaning that, at most, a 300 mm missile similar to the Smerch (in length and weight) could be offered and accepted.

Again the RFI States the vehicle should be able to carry all in service rockets and then also mentions the max length of the rocket, to any sane mind it's quite clear what the army is asking for.

This may seem impractical on a 6x6 platform,

Because it is impractical, you want a 6×6 HMV, with a 8.5m bed length, this thing will have piss poor off-road capability

 

[Corvus Splendens]

View: https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/1925408019158073580

 

[Hawkeye]

Why is there a mpatgm mk2 program

Someone posted this in strategic front forum

If it's range extension and adding LOAL then good but if not then

 

[fire starter]

 

[KiloLimaZulu]

Chinese literally have the perfect MLRS for these requirements, I present you SR5 MLRS

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Can fire, 122mm, 200mm+ and 300mm rockets as well. Can use loitering munitions including jet powered, a huge ass 610mm ballistic missile short range, an anti ship missile and a small land attack cruise missile.

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My dream for Indian artillery and rocket force to have medium MLRS like SR5 and heavy MLRS like PHL16.
We are a quarter way there with Pinaka, just need to make ATACMS like missile for it and dedicated loitering munitions. Probably need to work on making it self sufficient to work in single unit mode instead of whole battery to reduce signature on battlefield just like mobile launcher for Pralay where comms are integrated within launch vehicle.

We are yet to see the appeal of a heavy MLRS especially for rocket force and haven't even seen some kind of project in this field.

A platform with that much interoperability, commonality? That's blasphemy for our Army

 

[Anants]

If you need multiple redrafts to write a coherent RFI which follows common sense then you need more than court Marshal for Incompetence you need spanking.
Only thing "needing multiple redrafts" shows is lack of gray matter in policy makers.
I think you folks have forgotten the clusterf*uck of a RFI that was FRCV.

And precisely why I said reissuing RFI - if they dont get any interests. Has happened before too. So dont fret. Its army - processes change slower than glacial pace

Oh it has to be because it explicitly States it should be able to carry existing 300mm 7.6m rockets
Emphasis on existing and 7.6m
Basically they want a 6×6 to be able to carry our existing Smerch rockets
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And it can be provided. Not sure if its right approach to meet objectives. A 6x6 would need to be as lengthy as 8x8 probably. So not sure what benefit they would get having it on 6 x 6.

That does not mean you start going around and asking for unobtanium, that's just inefficient and plain stoopid

For Christ's sake mate, It doesn't not matter if you can deliver Smerch equivalent payload and range in a 1m rocket, what matters here (as explicitly stated in the RFI) is a 6×6 vehicle capable of carrying Smerch rockets

Again the RFI States the vehicle should be able to carry all in service rockets and then also mentions the max length of the rocket, to any sane mind it's quite clear what the army is asking for.

As you said they have mentioned MAX length. Newer rockets can be shorter and fatter. One could offer 6x6 with 9m bed to accommodate multiple caliber rockets. I think they are looking for modular system like chinese 6x6 TA5310 which is of 9 meter length and can carry pods for upto 8 meter missiles like 610mm kd 300

Because it is impractical, you want a 6×6 HMV, with a 8.5m bed length, this thing will have piss poor off-road capability

Yes it *may* not have great off road capability - But such system is not unobtainium. Examples exist elsewhere.

 

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Bharat Electronics Eyes Rs 40,000 Crore Order From Indigenous S-400 Project

Bharat Electronics and DRDO are jointly developing key radar and control subsystems for Project Kusha, with order potential hinging on system readiness and user trials.

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BEL CEO with updates on QRSAM and Project Kusha

QRSAM

Bharat Electronics also expects to receive an order worth approximately Rs 30,000 crore for the Quick Reaction Surface-to-Air Missile (QRSAM) system. The company is working with the user to finalise the contract and has dedicated a team for this purpose. “QRSAM may be around roughly Rs 30,000 crore… we are the production agency for QRSAM. So order will come to BEL,” Jain said.

He added the order covers combined requirements from the Indian Army and Air Force and may be finalised by the last quarter of the current financial year, though there is a possibility of it slipping into the first quarter of the next financial year.

Kusha

Jain said BEL is currently focused on product development and aims to speed up system readiness. Prototype development is expected in the next 12 to 18 months, followed by user trials that may take an additional 12 to 36 months.