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[Azaad]

But what about target acquisition and situational awareness?? The Apache will be a lot better in that regard.

Equip the LCH with a MMW Radar & you'd get the same capabilities . If you go one step up & equip it with an AESA radar it's even better.

 

[NerVik]

Equip the LCH with a MMW Radar & you'd get the same capabilities . If you go one step up & equip it with an AESA radar it's even better.

I am guessing it's not that easy, everything from the aerodynamics to vibrations (structural integrity) to power needed to run the radar. Or else they would have done so as would have every one else who develops a helicopter.
It's rather silly to simply say stick a radar on it and be done with it.

 

[Blood+]

Equip the LCH with a MMW Radar & you'd get the same capabilities . If you go one step up & equip it with an AESA radar it's even better.

Abhi kahene ko toh kaafi kuch kyaa ja sakta hai such as integrating a quad ATGM launch system or bigger rocket pods with greater capacity (the pilons can handle it if the official specs are to be believed) and so on. But since that hasn't been done yet, AH-64E is still the better platform, for the time being anyway.

 

[Azaad]

I am guessing it's not that easy, everything from the aerodynamics to vibrations (structural integrity) to power needed to run the radar. Or else they would have done so as would have every one else who develops a helicopter.
It's rather silly to simply say stick a radar on it and be done with it.

Abhi kahene ko toh kaafi kuch kyaa ja sakta hai such as integrating a quad ATGM launch system or bigger rocket pods with greater capacity (the pilons can handle it if the official specs are to be believed) and so on. But since that hasn't been done yet, AH-64E is still the better platform, for the time being anyway.

The LCH is still in the LSP stage . This is the right time to contemplate design changes if any. There's a lot you can do with it & has to be done to certify it as combat ready. We're still a good 4-5 yrs from declaring the FOC of the LCH .

 

[Bleh]

But what about target acquisition and situational awareness?? The Apache will be a lot better in that rega

It's not gonna be anti-tank at those heights, so it'll be manageable. Unlike Apache operating in Iraq will have tagged acquisition radars working in tandem on ground.

Plus drones & low-alt spy satellites are stored to identify enemy depots, structures, arty positions etc.

 

[Blood+]

It's not gonna be anti-tank at those heights, so it'll be manageable. Unlike Apache operating in Iraq will have tagged acquisition radars working in tandem on ground.

Plus drones & low-alt spy satellites are stored to identify enemy depots, structures, arty positions etc.

I was talking about the plains of Punjab and Gujarat and the deserts of Rajasthan!!

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

I am guessing it's not that easy, everything from the aerodynamics to vibrations (structural integrity) to power needed to run the radar. Or else they would have done so as would have every one else who develops a helicopter.
It's rather silly to simply say stick a radar on it and be done with it.

Engineering can bring it to reality.
But our un genrols wanted the malai so they never thought of asking hal to get a mmw radar on lch. Also back then we didn't had such radar tech. Today thing have changed we excell in radars. We can get a much better powerfull radar on lch with better architecture than the old longbow with GaN too. Ig there is no need to get an aesa it consume alot of power. Just a GaN pesa would be much much better in this regards. We are capable today to do this. We weren't in 2010s. So we had to get apaches. Also it served a larger geopolitical goal as were coming close to US. At that time.

They're should be competely new iteration of lch need to be brought. With newer more powerfull htse1200 engine , passive as well active infrared suppressor for future readiness. Even in present all hellos suck against manpads.lch just being abit better..ir stealth is must.
Mmw fcr,


Keeping all this
Khayali pulaws aside
They should atleast Fastrack the integration of weapons with lch.

 

[Ayan Barat]

an aesa it consume alot of power

lol, lmao even

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

lol, lmao even

Look aesa consumes more power than a pesa for same range and who is jamming u flying so low ?
Are soldiers coming up with they're jammers ?
I would say there 's no need for an aesa on a helo instead go for longer range and have ability to track more targets precisely.

 

[Bleh]

I was talking about the plains of Punjab and Gujarat and the deserts of Rajasthan!!

There it'll be facing enemy formations, sniping enemy assets from way behind our armoured columns with 20km ranged Helina.


Doing this isn't necessary for LOAL missiles. You launch the ATGM in general direction of the enemy to search & destroy. Plus now there are drones to scout.

Longbow isn't obsolete, but there are cheaper alternatives now

 

[Nutcracker]

1. For the high altitude areas where the heavy helos can not perform as has been clearly demonstrated by that IAF Apache.
2. To make up the numbers as they are cheaper. By the way, just because I said Prachand won't be AS effective, does not entail they won't be effective at all!! It's still a very potent attack helo in its own right and will do wonders when accompanied by the Apaches with their Longbow radars marking the targets at beyond the horizon for them .

Then we need to get such radar on Prachand too , it should've already been into test run, but no such news if it's even planned or not.
Chongs are already displaying Z-10 of Prachand category with such mounted radar. Can't say if operational or not but it's also being sold to Porkies right now.

 

[AYoungBrotchen]

So why are we buying LCH then??

We spent 3 billion and now all answers coming with if and but

Tell me why do you never do any research on your own and just spam BS on this forum? A simple Google search would give you the answers you seek. People are not here just to spoonfeed your low effort questions.

LCH was developed specifically for high altitude operations after the military was found lacking in CAS during the Kargil war.

Apache is for the deserts/plains of Rajasthan and Gujarat. We're using Apache in Ladakh because we don't have a dedicated attack helo in service as of now.

LCH has been deployed in Ladakh since 2020. The IAF/IA were impressed enough with it to do so before it got FOC.

 

[Blademaster]

Tell me why do you never do any research on your own and just spam BS on this forum? A simple Google search would give you the answers you seek. People are not here just to spoonfeed your low effort questions.

LCH was developed specifically for high altitude operations after the military was found lacking in CAS during the Kargil war.

Apache is for the deserts/plains of Rajasthan and Gujarat. We're using Apache in Ladakh because we don't have a dedicated attack helo in service as of now.

LCH has been deployed in Ladakh since 2020. The IAF/IA were impressed enough with it to do so before it got FOC.

You don't get his point. If LCH was good enough for the mountains, it is also good enough for the plains as well. IA needs to get into the game of realising incremental gains and build the helicopter they want it to be while maintaining "Make in India" initiative and avoid any possibility of sanctions or having its balls being squeezed by another foreign nation and paying steeply through its nose necessitating sacrifices of various weapon and armenent programs.

The longbow radar is not impossible to duplicate and adapt it for Indian conditions. We could have use the $3 billion dollars to fund such upgrades to the LCH and make it truly comparable to the Apache program.

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

There it'll be facing enemy formations, sniping enemy assets from way behind our armoured columns with 20km ranged Helina.

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Doing this isn't necessary for LOAL missiles. You launch the ATGM in general direction of the enemy to search & destroy. Plus now there are drones to scout.

Longbow isn't obsolete, but there are cheaper alternatives now

Agreed but jstars are much more expensive and in today's long range bvr there survivability is questionable.

 

[AYoungBrotchen]

You don't get his point. If LCH was good enough for the mountains, it is also good enough for the plains as well. IA needs to get into the game of realising incremental gains and build the helicopter they want it to be while maintaining "Make in India" initiative and avoid any possibility of sanctions or having its balls being squeezed by another foreign nation and paying steeply through its nose necessitating sacrifices of various weapon and armenent programs.

The longbow radar is not impossible to duplicate and adapt it for Indian conditions. We could have use the $3 billion dollars to fund such upgrades to the LCH and make it truly comparable to the Apache program.

The point regarding LCH in Rajasthan may or may not be true. Not all Apaches have longbow either. The US army and the National guard predominantly use Apaches without it.

The IAF has had Rudra's deployed in Rajasthan since 2013. They will deploy LCH most probably as well.

But, the point of Apaches vs LCH is like asking Arjun vs a 25 ton light tank. The light tank can be deployed in Rajasthan, but is it the optimal choice? Similar analogy for tank deployment in Ladakh.

Both Apache and LCH are required.

 

[Ayan Barat]