DRDO and PSU's

[ArjunMK1A]

I always say this, we often get entangled in this whataboutism while discussing our MIC instead of realising how everyone's at fault.

This DRDO asks HAL for planes, then HAL asks ASTE for planes must not be the first instance; these organisations are there since 70 or so years. What have they done during all those years to mitigate this? Why don't they've their own full fledged squadron of planes?

For some idea, NASA owns more than 50 planes for research purposes including three F-15s, three F/A-18s and whopping 20 T-38s.

Also these are something not very expensive, you can find retired L-39s listed for as little as ₹4 Cr on auction sites. DRDO's budget for this FY was ₹24K Cr and the order that HAL got yesterday is ₹13K Cr.
By the way, those mosquito looking Chetaks and Cheetals cost around ₹15 Cr each.

Only Reason is perennial maintenance cost associated with maintaining the fleet.
Some Random MOD babu slashed this offer and put that file in National Archives.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Only Reason is perennial maintenance cost associated with maintaining the fleet.
Some Random MOD babu slashed this offer and put that file in National Archives.

C'mon! You're the 40th biggest defence contractor in the world, you've started participating in international fighter tenders, in few years you'd be rolling out 5th generation stealth fighters...how long are you going to keep this "Mishra Welding Shop" attitude!?

I'm not saying that we match the expenditure of Raytheon, I'm well aware of the stark contrast between the revenues there and here. But what's preventing us from copying their attitude and though process?

Or are we absolutely happy and "safe" in our sweet little world of a bench was indigenously made from the scrap materials!?

 

[ezsasa]

I always say this, we often get entangled in this whataboutism while discussing our MIC instead of realising how everyone's at fault.

This DRDO asks HAL for planes, then HAL asks ASTE for planes must not be the first instance; these organisations are there since 70 or so years. What have they done during all those years to mitigate this? Why don't they've their own full fledged squadron of planes?

For some idea, NASA owns more than 50 planes for research purposes including three F-15s, three F/A-18s and whopping 20 T-38s.

Also these are something not very expensive, you can find retired L-39s listed for as little as ₹4 Cr on auction sites. DRDO's budget for this FY was ₹24K Cr and the order that HAL got yesterday is ₹13K Cr.
By the way, those mosquito looking Chetaks and Cheetals cost around ₹15 Cr each.

just curious, what kind of job profile you are in to?

 

[ArjunMK1A]

C'mon! You're the 40th biggest defence contractor in the world, you've started participating in international fighter tenders, in few years you'd be rolling out 5th generation stealth fighters...how long are you going to keep this "Mishra Welding Shop" attitude!?

I'm not saying that we match the expenditure of Raytheon, I'm well aware of the stark contrast between the revenues there and here. But what's preventing us from copying their attitude and though process?

Or are we absolutely happy and "safe" in our sweet little world of a bench was indigenously made from the scrap materials!?

Babus were hell bent on making things complicated.

Babaji lost his mojo and entered "This is not era of War" mode.

Priest King is no more.

 

[Ayan Barat]

just curious, what kind of job profile you are in to?

Spoiler: Why did you ask that 🥲

View: https://youtu.be/BuI7tO2YXq0

 

[ezsasa]

Spoiler: Why did you ask that 🥲

View: https://youtu.be/BuI7tO2YXq0

so that i can decide how much effort should i invest in my response.

 

[Blademaster]

so that i can decide how much effort should i invest in my response.

You have your answer with his response to your query. That pretty much tells you everything you need to know.

 

[Hawkeye]

View: https://x.com/wartrophy_414/status/1867589407932658160

Guys, can't our private sector or drdo/psu's provide alternative to this vehicle? If there is a good requirement of it.

Anyway, why are they suicidal about charging in this unarmoured vehicle towards an enemy bunker. Is there any logic or as usual wars are won with courage and not guns, blah blah.
Realistically, any HMG/MMG or small arms fire would rip right through these big wheely bois and kill all the occupants inside, before they can even reach to such close distance.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

View: https://x.com/wartrophy_414/status/1867589407932658160

Guys, can't our private sector or drdo/psu's provide alternative to this vehicle? If there is a good requirement of it.

Anyway, why are they suicidal about charging in this unarmoured vehicle towards an enemy bunker. Is there any logic or as usual wars are won with courage and not guns, blah blah.
Realistically, any HMG/MMG or small arms fire would rip right through these big wheely bois and kill all the occupants inside, before they can even reach to such close distance.

These vehicles were extremely specific use cases, thus there is no requirement. Also the vehicle is developed for the purpose of Driving over Marshlands.

But we can invest on local ATVs design.

Second point, We came to the conclusion that we will not going to invest in these kind of Proper protection.

 

[RedPhantom]

View: https://x.com/wartrophy_414/status/1867589407932658160

Guys, can't our private sector or drdo/psu's provide alternative to this vehicle? If there is a good requirement of it.

Anyway, why are they suicidal about charging in this unarmoured vehicle towards an enemy bunker. Is there any logic or as usual wars are won with courage and not guns, blah blah.
Realistically, any HMG/MMG or small arms fire would rip right through these big wheely bois and kill all the occupants inside, before they can even reach to such close distance.

JSW already owns the company that makes them. Also these are specialised logististical vehicles, not for fighting.

 

[Hawkeye]

Second point, We came to the conclusion that we will not going to invest in these kind of Proper protection.

So basically our soldiers are meatshields.

 

[Hawkeye]

JSW already owns the company that makes them. Also these are specialised logististical vehicles, not for fighting.

I know but see the picture carefully, it implies otherwise. You show what you train for. In this case, being a meatwave.

 

[Commando_01]

View: https://x.com/wartrophy_414/status/1867589407932658160

Guys, can't our private sector or drdo/psu's provide alternative to this vehicle? If there is a good requirement of it.

Anyway, why are they suicidal about charging in this unarmoured vehicle towards an enemy bunker. Is there any logic or as usual wars are won with courage and not guns, blah blah.
Realistically, any HMG/MMG or small arms fire would rip right through these big wheely bois and kill all the occupants inside, before they can even reach to such close distance.

These vehicles are made to operate in a very harsh terrain namely heavy sand, mud, and snow. Application of common physics will tell you that vehicle weight and surface area of wheels are the most important factor here. Hence the vehicle can’t be armoured. Mostly this vehicle will be transporting our troops through such terrains where enemy is not expecting us to come from.

 

[fire starter]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1867805409546998101?t=ERNaI2IxChTAzYAL0NNH3w&s=19

 

[Ayan Barat]

View: https://x.com/wartrophy_414/status/1867589407932658160

Guys, can't our private sector or drdo/psu's provide alternative to this vehicle? If there is a good requirement of it.

Anyway, why are they suicidal about charging in this unarmoured vehicle towards an enemy bunker. Is there any logic or as usual wars are won with courage and not guns, blah blah.
Realistically, any HMG/MMG or small arms fire would rip right through these big wheely bois and kill all the occupants inside, before they can even reach to such close distance.

• The requirements for these kinds of vehicles are extremely low so from a CapEx point of view it doesn't make any sense to get a full fledged assembly line for these. So people general don't bother much to make these. Importing CKDs and assembling them is the max we can think of.

• It is a very niché vehicle procured for just one specific mission profile: patrolling in the marshes of Kutch. That's it

• There are more or less just two vehicles in the whole world that can efficiently operate in that specific terrain. Either this goofy buggy

or the more traditional hovercrafts

Each have their own sets of pros and cons but one thing common among both is the use of large air-filled rubber structures to reduce the ground pressure. If you remove these then the whole craft will sink in the marsh is less than a minute.

• Even if you armour the cab, you can't armour the rubber wheels or skirt. In frontal silhouette (above pics) almost a third is just these rubber structures and in flanks this increases to almost half. Because of the working principles these things are inherently vulnerable to not just HMG fire but even small arms fire; hence these are never used in scenarios where you'd be fired upon.

• I've absolutely no idea why these things are being used the way they are being used in that picture. My guess would it's some kind of demonstration of how these can dushman ke thikane ko nist-o-nabud kar sakte hain

 

[ezsasa]

View: https://x.com/wartrophy_414/status/1867589407932658160

Guys, can't our private sector or drdo/psu's provide alternative to this vehicle? If there is a good requirement of it.

Anyway, why are they suicidal about charging in this unarmoured vehicle towards an enemy bunker. Is there any logic or as usual wars are won with courage and not guns, blah blah.
Realistically, any HMG/MMG or small arms fire would rip right through these big wheely bois and kill all the occupants inside, before they can even reach to such close distance.

not every aspect of national security is about combat, most of the times it is simply about not allowing prolonged vaccum in certain geographies within our sovereign territory. just by visibly making presence felt in hard to reach places, ensures that adversaries rethink their strategies. combat comes into play, at a later stage in escalatory ladder.

whether it is naxal areas, kargil or galwan , vaccum is an element which was taken advantage of.

 

[Bleh]

You have your answer with his response to your query. That pretty much tells you everything you need to know.

So he's either in the military or jobless?..