DRDO and PSU's

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Ayan Barat said:
Continuing a bit on this as we now have a slightly better pic

Gaurav is quite chonky.
Maybe because of it not being a "bomb" but a "warhead assembly" in a bomb. Gaurav and this Mk-84 are both in the 1,000kg class.
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A rough sketch of Gaurav (bottom) and GBU-31; both being GPS guided 2,000lbs bombs. The actual explosive part is in green
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So does it mean we have plans to install some opto-electronics at front for better accuracy.
 
Nutcracker said:
So does it mean we have plans to install some opto-electronics at front for better accuracy.
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He means to say the Amerimutt bomb is a dumb bomb, you need a kit to add the guided-bomb bits or the wings for the glide bomb functionality

Our Gaurav is an all in one glide bomb, it's not a dumb bomb souped up by kit, all the bits are inbuilt including the wings and whatever guidance electronics.
 
Cyclops said:
Paid by HAL & DRDO?:wat:
Apne-aapko pay karte-karte unki haalat kharaab ho rahi hai, hammay kahan se pay karenge?

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At best we are unpaid interns.
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Ayan Barat said:
Continuing a bit on this as we now have a slightly better pic

Gaurav is quite chonky.
Maybe because of it not being a "bomb" but a "warhead assembly" in a bomb. Gaurav and this Mk-84 are both in the 1,000kg class.
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A rough sketch of Gaurav (bottom) and GBU-31; both being GPS guided 2,000lbs bombs. The actual explosive part is in green
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Shouldn't gaurav have been made more slender?
 
Nutcracker said:
So does it mean we have plans to install some opto-electronics at front for better accuracy.
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Definitely you can add EO seeker, but still it doesn't justify the size of it.

For a reference, here's the same GBU-31 from the above pic with an added EO seeker in nose, on top of the regular GPS guidance tail. See how small the increase in size it
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Because it doesn't use the entirety of its body (obviously excluding tail) for explosive like all other GP bombs but rather just the mid part, it requires a bigger diameter to contain the same amount of explosive as GBU-31. If you made a bomb of similar dimensions but used the traditional method of guidance kit in tail + dumb bomb body, then you might have managed to get around 1,500kg bomb in the same package. Here's the now retired US M118 3,000lbs bomb for some idea.
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If we had dimensions for Gaurav then could have done a much better comparison
shade2 said:
He means to say the Amerimutt bomb is a dumb bomb, you need a kit to add the guided-bomb bits or the wings for the glide bomb functionality

Our Gaurav is an all in one glide bomb, it's not a dumb bomb souped up by kit, all the bits are inbuilt including the wings and whatever guidance electronics.
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The "all in one" thing you're thinking to be an advantage might prove to be an disadvantage.
Ayan Barat said:
And lastly the fact that JDAM is just a kit added to a Mk-80 bomb that's been produced by the millions as compared to Gaurav, which is custom made munitions

In last fiscal report the cost of JDAM (average cost combining all variants) was $22,000. As for Gaurav/Gautham it's hard to get numbers until an actual order is placed.
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If it had been a simpler bolt on system then we just needed to buy the kits for the thousands of 2,000lbs bombs already laying everywhere. This would have lowered the cost significantly.
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AGNI 5 & DIVYASTRA Missile

Use same TEL but different CANISTER's......

No of grids on A5 canisters are more......

IMO Divyastra missile is perfect replacement for AGNI 3......
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IMO DIVYASTRA Missile is TD of mirv with just 2 stages & Can be perfect to replace Agni 3 from SFC

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View: https://x.com/Ray70409890/status/1884182099982508267
 
Ayan Barat said:
Definitely you can add EO seeker, but still it doesn't justify the size of it.

For a reference, here's the same GBU-31 from the above pic with an added EO seeker in nose, on top of the regular GPS guidance tail. See how small the increase in size it
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Because it doesn't use the entirety of its body (obviously excluding tail) for explosive like all other GP bombs but rather just the mid part, it requires a bigger diameter to contain the same amount of explosive as GBU-31. If you made a bomb of similar dimensions but used the traditional method of guidance kit in tail + dumb bomb body, then you might have managed to get around 1,500kg bomb in the same package. Here's the now retired US M118 3,000lbs bomb for some idea.
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If we had dimensions for Gaurav then could have done a much better comparison

The "all in one" thing you're thinking to be an advantage might prove to be an disadvantage.

If it had been a simpler bolt on system then we just needed to buy the kits for the thousands of 2,000lbs bombs already laying everywhere. This would have lowered the cost significantly.
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Weren't they making a separate range extension kit for that role?? Tara or something??
 
Ayan Barat said:
Definitely you can add EO seeker, but still it doesn't justify the size of it.

For a reference, here's the same GBU-31 from the above pic with an added EO seeker in nose, on top of the regular GPS guidance tail. See how small the increase in size it
View attachment 23326
Because it doesn't use the entirety of its body (obviously excluding tail) for explosive like all other GP bombs but rather just the mid part, it requires a bigger diameter to contain the same amount of explosive as GBU-31. If you made a bomb of similar dimensions but used the traditional method of guidance kit in tail + dumb bomb body, then you might have managed to get around 1,500kg bomb in the same package. Here's the now retired US M118 3,000lbs bomb for some idea.
View attachment 23328
If we had dimensions for Gaurav then could have done a much better comparison

The "all in one" thing you're thinking to be an advantage might prove to be an disadvantage.

If it had been a simpler bolt on system then we just needed to buy the kits for the thousands of 2,000lbs bombs already laying everywhere. This would have lowered the cost significantly.
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Except that we don't manufacture any 2000lbs dumb bombs as of now and it's not really laying everywhere atleast in India. And anyway Gaurav or G....series bombs is fine as long as they can keep the per unit cost reasonably low and order it in much larger numbers.
There are mentions of 1000lbs dumb bombs in positive indigenous list and REK kits for them. So, that's in pipeline as well.
 
Indianhawk said:
🤣 And yet people keep comparing indian missiles to foreign ones questioning why are missile is so heavy for such low range.

What happened to 500 km range claim for pralay . 😂
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Pralay isn't heavy. Weighs just 5.1 tons.

I was also wondering whether Dr BK Das meant LR anti ship missile when he mentioned upto 1500 km range.

There's a new variant of K-15 having extended range. Shaurya is land based K-15 and it doesn't have the necessary structural strength and stiffness required for underwater launch. So Shaurya is lighter than K-15. Now this new K-15 version has a composite airframe and uses newer solid propellants. So there will also be a corresponding Shaurya variant.

Pralay is Shaurya without the solid booster.
 
Nutcracker said:
Why do we always assume it's the Stryker. Even if it's pushed, There is scope for 2000 + such platforms in next 15 years. We can adjust few hundred stryker in between.
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After buying 500+ Strykers there makes no sense to procure whap
Bcoz the supply chaina nd logistic established for 500 vehicles will make illogical for any other platform to be inducted

That's why we need to focus more on sinister intentions of Americans than Stryker import

It's not zaziya we could have payed it with additional p-8i mh-60 m-777 c-130 and multiple other platforms which we require
But Americans are stubborn about Strykers bcoz they want to kill the industry of armoured vehicles and manke india dependent on them in this regard

Once whap is killed no more funds will be produced for NG variants (we have mahindra whap but again effort from drdo side and no commitment from army) this making us dependent on their vehicles for decades

Here they don't want our money they want our industry
 
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