Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (32 Viewers)

[Noob_Saibot]

Yes, that's why were buying prachand, and bought Rudra, apache.

As for fixed winged platforms.
While not as effective as dedicated CAS jets like A10, su25, but Multirole fighter platforms can do Cas role too, all our fighter jets have internal cannon.
F35 was also supposed to replace a-10 for US,along with replacing f16,f18,harrier, though it didn't turned Out as planned due to how complicated f35 is, along with it's high operational cost and high maintenance need, but 4th airframe don't have those problem(with exceptions).
And these planes are considered "sufficient" enough for cases of close air support where airspace would be considered safe enough for fighter jet to provide CAS.
So airforces generally don't consider it to be worth it to procure dedicated CAS aircraft that will be limited to that role only, especially in modern times.
US airforce itself has tried many times to retire a10 deeming it's role to be not survivable in modern battlefield except in rare instances, though congress blocked it.

Thanks mate, cheers for the detailed response.

Although i suppose the heavy armor of these dedicated CAS aircraft gives them an advantage in terms of flying lower and closer to the action.

 

[liberalredditor]

s70 Okhotnik-B as a stop Gap till ghatak?

pehle se squadron strength kam hai, aur kitna kam karein? friendly fire pro max

 

[randombully]

Although i suppose the heavy armor of these dedicated CAS aircraft gives them an advantage in terms of flying lower and closer to the action.

Won't stop missiles.
It was to tackle some hits from anti aircraft guns in past.
There have been cases of these dedicated CAS aircraft still flying after being hit by a missile, but they were flying while still being badly damaged and needed extensive repair once they landed back or in many cases deemed not worth it to repair and decommissioned the aircraft.

 

[IRDefense]

Btw for the more knowledgeable members, i have a quick question.

DO we have an operational need for close air support aircraft? Which fighters/attack aircraft has played that role for us(if ever).

If yes, why don't we have something like a Warthog or Frogfoot in our inventory.

Has the CAS role been made redundant in modern era warfare?

In my limited knowledge moderwarfare has made CAS more accessible. Drones can provide a more econmical way to provide CAS which wasn't accessible for many smaller militaries previously.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Really hope like the one guy was saying a page back the solution to this is not emergency procurement of F16V or some shit.

I do not trust Leaderji, he will do anything to appease Mai Phrend Dolund and seal some Trade Deal.

It's another thing whichever Demoncrat or Republicuck replaces Dolund will initiate a ((( Presidential Review ))) of all pending orders and the trade deal itself.

Nah, Dolund is spent force. Whatever Modiji does, he doesn't spend capital on clearly losing horses beyond a point.

The American deep state isn't just determined to make Trump lose, they're making him actively degrade the trust for his style of politics. Modiji won't appease him with anything big now.

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

Btw for the more knowledgeable members, i have a quick question.

DO we have an operational need for close air support aircraft? Which fighters/attack aircraft has played that role for us(if ever).

If yes, why don't we have something like a Warthog or Frogfoot in our inventory.

Has the CAS role been made redundant in modern era warfare?

We have 120+ BAe hawk trainers in iaf that can be equipped with rocket pods for CAS role if situation demands.

 

[E-195]

French Firm Dassault Aviation on Tuesday denied reports that claimed its Chairman & CEO, Eric Trappier, acknowledged the loss of one Rafale jet of the Indian Air Force (IAF) during Operation Sindoor.

In a statement, the French Aviation firm said, "In response to certain press reports quoting Dassault Aviation Chairman & CEO, Eric Trappier, about the Sindoor operation, Dassault Aviation formally denies that Eric Trappier has made any operational or technical comments regarding the use of the Rafale in this operation."

Earlier, a French portal, Avion De Chasse, reported that Trappier said one Rafale was lost due to a high-altitude technical failure and not in a combat scenario. The report also claimed that Trappier said the probe into the technical failure was underway.

Dassault Aviation Rejects Reports On Rafale Loss Claim By CEO, Says No Comment Made On Fighter Jet Involvement In Op Sindoor

A report recently claimed that the Dassault Aviation Chairman and CEO Eric Trappier acknowledged the loss of one Rafale jet by the Indian Air Force (IAF) during Operation Sindoor.

www.thedailyjagran.com

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1_jCbSkb2Q

France has officially dismissed rumors claiming Rafale fighter jets were shot down by Pakistan during the India-Pakistan standoff. Backed by defense experts and intelligence findings, the French government revealed a coordinated disinformation campaign allegedly led by China and Pakistan to damage Rafale's reputation and promote Chinese jets like the J-10C

 

[Rune]

Thanks mate, cheers for the detailed response.

Although i suppose the heavy armor of these dedicated CAS aircraft gives them an advantage in terms of flying lower and closer to the action.

Tejas Mk1a will provide CAS in future.

 

[randombully]

Tejas Mk1a will provide CAS in future.

Post in thread 'Indian Air Force: News & Discussions' https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/indian-air-force-news-discussions.115/post-178937
Also gun pods

Plus drones can also be used

 

[BON PLAN]

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Some of our ex afsars like to "hand over" victories to an adversary whose state policy is terrorism against India. Beats me.

There is no such thing as being "gentlemanly" with these terrorists.

Meanwhile terrorist Pakistanis are gobbling up these "gentlemanly" praises & furthering their propaganda.

The Pakistani multi dimensional inter galactic rouhani technology did not prevent holes from appearing in their hangars & runways.

Just imagine India purchased 126 Mirage 2000 in the early 2000, with the assembly line....

 

[Anants]

Just imagine India purchased 126 Mirage 2000 in the early 2000, with the assembly line....

If you are bringing a what if timeline. I dare say the timeline you present would have had India flying AMCA prototype with home improved AL 31 by now. Kaveri would have been tested on India based FTB and there would research going on for Kaveri powered AMCA 2.

 

[jaijaganath]

View: https://x.com/NewsIADN/status/1943160569911218668

 

[redpanda]

View: https://x.com/NewsIADN/status/1943160569911218668

It's not just the government. It's IAF itself who is responsible for their lack of seriousness and indecisiveness even for imports. Both Netas, MoD & IAF babus are responsible for this shitshow.

 

[Drwho]

गिरते-पड़ते 'बूढ़े' जगुआर-मिग हमारी सरकारों और HAL को शर्मिंदा क्यों नहीं करते?

आज से 20 साल पहले हम कह सकते थे कि देश की इकोनॉमी संघर्ष कर रही है. पर आज की हालत ऐसी कतई नहीं है कि बजट का रोना रोया जा सके. भारत की अर्थव्यवस्था 2025 में 4 ट्रिलियन डॉलर के करीब पहुंच चुकी है. दुनिया में रक्षा पर खर्च करने वाले देशों में भारत का नाम पांचवें स्थान पर है. ऐसे में क्‍या मजबूरी है...

www.aajtak.in

Finally media showing truth

Even india media which is lapdog is now showing truth of Indian Air Force sorry state of lack of aircraft’s.

India is really behind in its development of airforce. We need some quick acquisitions.
Be it f35 f16 Rafale SU 57 or any other .

One moment we are talking about 3 front war and we have worst quality jets than even Qatar or Italy or Finland or Korea. How dare we call our airforce no 3 . We have amazing pilots their lives are taken by these dying jets.

 

[shade2]

It's not just the government. It's IAF itself who is responsible for their lack of seriousness and indecisiveness even for imports. Both Netas, MoD & IAF babus are responsible for this shitshow.

If they were serious they would have inducted Tejas from the start and applied upgrades as they come, piglets did it with their chini-maal JF-17 overtime.

Instead they did role-play of hands off "customer" vs ADA/HAL "vendor" like this is some Dassault or Sukhoi or some sht, only firing off their ASQRs and not bothering otherwise.

Anyway they have got nothing else through the MoD babooze, even if impoorts are considered
>Fighters
>AWACS
>Refuellers
>Medium transports
>ELINT/SIGINT/COMJAM

 

[GaudaNaresh]

With Trump at the helm, a major multi-billion-dollar arms deal with Russia could trigger repercussions for India, such as the withholding of F404 and F414 engine supplies.Besides,given that many modern Russian weapon systems incorporate Chinese electronic components, how will India mitigate this risk?

This is precisely the sticking point for any new russian acquisitions- we want basically their airframe and engine but wanna put our own radar, mission computer and weapons. As expected, russia itself is ambivalent to this deal, but whomever OEM is- Sukhoi in this case- is saying go to hell, as they should - MiG and Sukhoi have been cooperative about integrating non russian weapons and sensor pods to their mission computer but no self respecting OEM will agree to this kind of " engine aur khol de do, baaki kaamplex cheez hum Sambhal lenge'.

reality is, IAF needs about 40-50 Bn $ in straight acquisition.
The French are correct in thinking that IAF has operational need for 100+ Rafales. IAF and GoI are also correct that this would go north of 10 bn on its own and is better spent elsewhere but we are open to dropping another 3-5 Bn on 2-3 sqdns of Rafales, which the French don't really want and therefore are giving us crazy bad unit price on Rafales.

As more time passes and kaveri nears completing, option to ' build your own' just seems better and better. If India can solve it's engine problem and somehow fix the afterburner section of Kaveri, we wouldn't be having these discussions.

 

[shade2]

This is precisely the sticking point for any new russian acquisitions- we want basically their airframe and engine but wanna put our own radar, mission computer and weapons. As expected, russia itself is ambivalent to this deal, but whomever OEM is- Sukhoi in this case- is saying go to hell, as they should - MiG and Sukhoi have been cooperative about integrating non russian weapons and sensor pods to their mission computer but no self respecting OEM will agree to this kind of " engine aur khol de do, baaki kaamplex cheez hum Sambhal lenge'.

reality is, IAF needs about 40-50 Bn $ in straight acquisition.
The French are correct in thinking that IAF has operational need for 100+ Rafales. IAF and GoI are also correct that this would go north of 10 bn on its own and is better spent elsewhere but we are open to dropping another 3-5 Bn on 2-3 sqdns of Rafales, which the French don't really want and therefore are giving us crazy bad unit price on Rafales.

As more time passes and kaveri nears completing, option to ' build your own' just seems better and better. If India can solve it's engine problem and somehow fix the afterburner section of Kaveri, we wouldn't be having these discussions.

Nahi hoga.

We will import Rafales now
We will import F-35 after that
We will import MUMT drones for both from their respective vendors
We will import 6th gen fighter too.

IN gets ToT or basic for every single imported subsystem and munitions on their ships, some are basically DRDO products onlee.

These guys have never got domestic manufacturing for even missiles and bombs, forget about radar or electronics.
And ofc a fighter jet will expend more munitions than a ship, still nobody found the need to making the stuff in-house

Any of imported jets is because Govt wants those HAL sarkari karamcharis to keep their jobs.

 

[Tumba]

Nahi hoga.

We will import Rafales now
We will import F-35 after that
We will import MUMT drones for both from their respective vendors
We will import 6th gen fighter too.

IN gets ToT or basic for every single imported subsystem and munitions on their ships, some are basically DRDO products onlee.

These guys have never got domestic manufacturing for even missiles and bombs, forget about radar or electronics.
And ofc a fighter jet will expend more munitions than a ship, still nobody found the need to making the stuff in-house

Any of imported jets is because Govt wants those HAL sarkari karamcharis to keep their jobs.

Unless you get your own Jet Engine you have no other choice than to import.

 

[Drwho]

Unless you get your own Jet Engine you have no other choice than to import.

Exactly a Ferrari without engine is worst than old Indica with running engine. Everything else is second airframe stealth ew radar flyaway weight etc. Tejas was riding on trucks for years. Hal is cancer of defence.

Make them accountable fire n file anti national acts. Most of these sarkari naukari guys are pest in daftar.

 

[Tumba]

Exactly a Ferrari without engine is worst than old Indica with running engine. Everything else is second airframe stealth ew radar flyaway weight etc. Tejas was riding on trucks for years. Hal is cancer of defence.

Make them accountable fire n file anti national acts. Most of these sarkari naukari guys are pest in daftar.

That what happens dude when u dont have merit based hires … that shud be obvious to everyone