DRDO and PSU's

Azaad said:
You're actually quoting a Wumao. Don't believe me , check out his Twitter T/L . Every second or third tweet is India baiting. Rockdog did that a few days ago & I kicked his arse .
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Chinese have a whole army of hacks, hit men and demagogues in cyber space, ready to pounce on India for any subject where there could be a comparison with China. You will frequently see messages listing off comparisons mentioning everything from size of economy, value of exports, number of Olympic medals, frequency of space launches and average IQ. It gets silly and infantile with constant repetition.
 
Azaad said:
RTA has been pending since mid 2000s IIRC whereas 3 cos of China - Xi'an , AVIC & COMAC have been developing airliners & their analogues in military transporters since the mid 80s as far as COMAC goes in their collaboration with McDonnell Douglas which was greatly responsible for their 90 seater ARJ-21 / COMAC 909.

No prizes for guessing the JV with McDonnell Douglas ended acrimoniously with COMAC retaining the tooling & designs which eventually after several modifications & developments became the ARJ-21 / COMAC 909. Their order book today's ~ 300 nos of which they've delivered half of them .

The other 2 cos have been developing airliners since mid to late 90s along with analogous military transporters in some cases.
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What have we funded for RTA till date !!
Would be interesting to know.
 
Indianhawk said:
What have we funded for RTA till date !!
Would be interesting to know.
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That was also my point. However my larger point was in response to yours claiming we didn't need a foreign collaboration now as we have the tech needed.

Or that passenger traffic then wasn't to the extent it is today in which case how did the planners come up with the concept of the RTA & were actively seeking a JV with Russia 2 decades ago ? Quite obviously they were planning for the future but for one reason or another those plans came undone.

My contention is we still lack the tech. It'd be another case of trial & error much like the LCA program. We'd get there eventually after a lot of huffing & puffing.

At the same time we aren't inclined to go for a JV or tech consultancy with the Russians. In fact the Civil Aviation Minister who seems to be some sort of a genius was suggesting a collaboration or tech consultancy with Airbus or Boeing in a news report linked here a few days ago.

Post in thread 'Regional Transport Aircraft' https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/regional-transport-aircraft.141/post-81743

I'd rather we select a partner like Mahindra EMBRAER with NAL & EMBRAER as the development agencies & the former as production partner. EMBRAER lacks deep pockets & was recently bailed out by the Brazilian government after their merger with Boeing collapsed.

We need to have a long term strategy like the Chinese to inviegle EMBRAER with a view to taking it over thru Mahindra in the future.
 
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fire starter said:
RIP whap.

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1890240542367445013?t=r_4ti_FuSvejG999oxV3gg&s=19

Madarchod politicians, babus & genrols for procuring this outdated garbage.

View: https://x.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/1890245453196980440?t=mBK5I0ZvpEWoCpuRkInK2Q&s=19
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Misleading wordplay is being used. Leaders have determined to DISCUSS to PURSUE plans of co production of javelin and stryker in India, nothing has fructified yet.

Discussion is going on for pursuing the plans and not the actual plan itself.

I have always maintained my stance on this forum that stryker and now javelin will not come, because of procurement of konkurs and spike as stopgap unitl NAG comes and involvment of tata and mahindra (solid lobby within GOI and home advantage) for WHAPs.

All this excluding the media power that involved private companies possess that WILL ensure major political loss/damage for BJP if stryker is chosen.

This nation runs "bhagwan bharose" and I have full faith in bhagwan.
 
darkindie said:
Misleading wordplay is being used. Leaders have determined to DISCUSS to PURSUE plans of co production of javelin and stryker in India, nothing has fructified yet.

Discussion is going on for pursuing the plans and not the actual plan itself.

I have always maintained my stance on this forum that stryker and now javelin will not come, because of procurement of konkurs and spike as stopgap unitl NAG comes and involvment of tata and mahindra (solid lobby within GOI and home advantage) for WHAPs.

All this excluding the media power that involved private companies possess that WILL ensure major political loss/damage for BJP if stryker is chosen.

This nation runs "bhagwan bharose" and I have full faith in bhagwan.
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From what I'm observing over the past few months , the US has seemingly framed a policy with respect to production of consumables like ammo , light platforms like Strykers & the Javelins which some of these Stryker models will come with , MROs of ships if there's such a term in marine engineering ,etc drawing lessons from the Ukraine war which is essentially a long war of attrition where stocks have to be built & supplies quickly run out which in turn have to be quickly replenished , in anticipation of the upcoming war against China on Taiwan.

Which is the reason a Turkish firm was allowed to establish a factory in the US churning out 155 mm shells for howitzers .

Post in thread 'Turkiye: News, Discussions & Updates.' https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/turkiye-news-discussions-updates.418/post-87388

This is also the reason the USN tied up with L&T shipyard at Kattupalli for repairing & overhauling of their vessels.

The idea behind setting up joint assembly / mfg of Strykers & Javelins with India in India is also part of this plan. So there could well be 2 aspects to this of which Plan A is to make the IA a customer failing which Plan B would be to set up mfg independent of Indian requirements merely taking advantage of low costs here & proximity to the theatre of operations to set up a plant to churn out these weapons with the added benefit of locating it in a nation which in theory isn't an US treaty ally hence isn't obliged to join a war alongside the US against China.
 
Ayan Barat said:
My Guy put in so much effort just to vent out 😭

But you probably missed the most nightmarish of the probable scenarios.
IAF buying F-35 and saying "wo jee humara to ho gaya, ab phir kabhi" to HAL AMCA.
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Actually they will ask redesign of AMCA mk2 to get 6th gen features. MK1 shall be expected to better or match F35.
 
Azaad said:
From what I'm observing over the past few months , the US has seemingly framed a policy with respect to production of consumables like ammo , light platforms like Strykers & the Javelins which some of these Stryker models will come with , MROs of ships if there's such a term in marine engineering ,etc drawing lessons from the Ukraine war which is essentially a long war of attrition where stocks have to be built & supplies quickly run out which in turn have to be quickly replenished , in anticipation of the upcoming war against China on Taiwan.

Which is the reason a Turkish firm was allowed to establish a factory in the US churning out 155 mm shells for howitzers .

Post in thread 'Turkiye: News, Discussions & Updates.' https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/turkiye-news-discussions-updates.418/post-87388

This is also the reason the USN tied up with L&T shipyard at Kattupalli for repairing & overhauling of their vessels.

The idea behind setting up joint assembly / mfg of Strykers & Javelins with India in India is also part of this plan. So there could well be 2 aspects to this of which Plan A is to make the IA a customer failing which Plan B would be to set up mfg independent of Indian requirements merely taking advantage of low costs here & proximity to the theatre of operations to set up a plant to churn out these weapons with the added benefit of locating it in a nation which in theory isn't an US treaty ally hence isn't obliged to join a war alongside the US against China.
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Where does stryker which is not amphibious fit in with china taiwan war scenario?
 
darkindie said:
Where does stryker which is not amphibious fit in with china taiwan war scenario?
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To be deployed on Taiwan by the US or supplied to Taiwan for usage by their own forces . They'd also be sold across the world .

I hope you aren't factoring in some sort of D Day landings on Chinese beaches by the US & its allies like in WW-2 , coz that's not happening.
 
ezsasa said:
which development agency is this?
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Most likely this would be the endeavour of the BRD. As of now except for the SDI there's no institute per se on the lines of the WDB to design platforms or even vital components which go into it , which is another tragic story .

Hence no collective institutional knowledge , no proper project management , no proper ownership of projects & on & on .

More than the IAF which definitely needs to be pulled up , the MoD ought to be , for permitting such a state of affairs to persist in this day & age.
 
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