Air India AI 171 Crash in Ahmedabad (3 Viewers)

[Psacha123]

All valid points as ALPA slams this report. (Especially the media leak without signature/atrribution)

This is looking like a shitshow as the report looks definitely biased (even if it ends up being a pilot error after full investigation)


View: https://x.com/ani/status/1943970848890585265?s=46

 

[Spitfire IX]

All valid points as ALPA slams this report. (Especially the media leak without signature/atrribution)

This is looking like a shitshow as the report looks definitely biased (even if it ends up being a pilot error after full investigation)


View: https://x.com/ani/status/1943970848890585265?s=46

FDR data showed fuel supply was cut then restored,. Where is the bias in reporting that? A shitshow would suppress data awkward to some.

 

[Nicky]

Someone's not buying the BS. Meanwhile, the government is silent as usual.


View: https://x.com/OsintUpdates/status/1943976417773203766?t=sYsija_4sDR5uGZaaa49ig&s=19

 

[trombone]

CVR will put all speculations to rest. Till then, all this thin skin bristling will continue.

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

 

[crazywithmath]

Nationalist have gone completely insane over this report both here and online. Embarrassing to say the least.

As if that lone Mirpuri halala product (((brit))) wasn't enough, we have another Boeing simp in here? Barely a few hundred folks visits this thread on a good day, why do these trolls/bots even bother?

Like, both of you can visit plebbit, blame it all on the dead pilots and an entire battalion of incels would agree almost immediately. Why even bother to do all these trollposts here?

 

[trombone]

FAA 2018 advisory was a "potential disengagement of the fuel control switch locking feature" - ie, failure of the safety mechanism.

Not about an airplane moving the fuel control switch, on its own, from "RUN" to "CUT OFF" position like a ghost!

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE0BetkXsLg

For such numerous long videos, it would be deeply appreciated if the sharing members can mention some key points so that others can save time.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Bloody sold-outs.

View: https://x.com/aravind/status/1943550283969122651?t=j1spEEM9dztn_Rmnc9ywcQ&s=19

View: https://x.com/IndianSinghh/status/1943907687194144916?t=j1spEEM9dztn_Rmnc9ywcQ&s=19

Well, their plan doesn't seem to work bcoz most Indians & many abroad too like Mary Schiavo, etc are already rejecting any pilot error, suicide, etc & suspecting S/w glitch or sabotage or maintanance issues.
(Although pilot suicide crash have happened in past, but doesn't look in this case)
At max the planners saved their weekend-off booze parties.
From tomorrow they'll start facing the heat.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Extremely pathetic state of affairs as the report has been released in the mid of night in India. Who authorized this? Is there any precedent like this before,like any report related to some transport accidents being released in India when almost all of India are sleeping? It just shows the extend of corporate/third party state control/pressure on our institutions. Anyone can make out that this timing is for "sync" in reporting in West.

Makes us look utterly compromised/powerless.

Whatever the report was, it SHOULD have been released during normal working hours.

Meanwhile -

Expert Claims Pilot May Have Deliberately Crashed Air India Flight

A leading aviation safety expert has suggested that the fatal crash of Air India Flight 171 may have been the result of deliberate human action, raising, for the first time, the possibility of a pilot-induced crash.

www.ndtv.com

Expert Claims Pilot May Have Deliberately Crashed Air India Flight​

Captain Mohan Ranganathan, one of India's leading aviation experts, has pointed to the sequence of fuel cutoff switches and cockpit audio to suggest that the crash may have stemmed from deliberate actions.​

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Again speculations, nothing solid, so far.

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As per aviation minister the report is only primary & that they are waiting for more concrete data points.

It is just some media like BBC & local charlatans adding exotic wordings to arrive at pre-determined conclusion.

If we see recent videos, podcasts, interviews of Retired Captain Mohan Ranganathan, then he is with 'suicide squad', i mean suspecting suicide.

Although pilot suicides globally have happened, so far with limited data I don't suspect suicide in AI-171, but Cap M.R. has rightly pointed major flaws in our airport infrastructure, ground ops & investigations of past accidents & wrong reports.
Even Gaurav Taneja a.k.a. 'Flying Beast' & actually many other retired people have exposed negligence, mal-practices, over-confidence, pressure work, bad management & even punishment for speaking up, etc.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Aren't both the fuel control switches completely isolated from one another? Both of them failing/glitching in a 1 second window is very improbable.

Yes..its very rare.

I havent even heard of 1 flying thousands of hours on Airbus.

I believe a dual fuel control switch malfunction has never happened yet.

Malfunction can be HARD or SOFT.
Mechanical, Electronics, Electrical guys will know the HARD ones best.
IT guys will know the SOFT ones best.
Moreover, people like Mary Schiavo (former IG, dept of US Transport) & our experts like Dr. Vandana Singh, etc are suspecting SOFT glitch.
Remember what i said since my 1st post about EEC, TAP, TCMA & possible glitch -

It continiously monitors throttle, provides protection against flame-out during ecess rain, hail.
It monitors N1, N2, N3 spool speeds also & if RPM limit crossed then fuel flow would be reduced to lower the RPMs.
The EEC shuts down the engine only if RPM limiting fails & overspeed condition occurs.
If fuel-switch is accidentally shut off then EEC can electronically turn it & ignitors on.

On ground it'll shut down engine if above idle speed and not decelerating normally.
During take-off if 1 engine fails then TAP reduces thrust on surviving engine to safeguard rudder/yaw control.

Last but not least, if the air data sensors are clogged then it can be big problem. Although there are multiple of them for redundancy but accidents due to them have happened.

The ANA 787 incident happened in 2019 & if we deep-dive into the cause then it is complicated.
Boeing clarified that the engines can shutdown as thrust reverser were activated too quickly before ground condition achieved which activated the TCMA or Thrust Control Malfunction Accommodation system which guards against inadvertent asymmetrical high thrust situations. The TCMA would notice high thrust at idle or low speeds on ground w/o decceleration, so engine would be shutdown to reduce speed.

But this is takeoff situation. So i can think of an ECC glitch

- As RAT can auto-deploy when engines below idle RPM, an EEC glitch detecting high EGT for long could reduce thrust by reducing fuel flow. Although such glitch is very difficult to imagine.

MCAS glitch caused 2 crashes of B-737 MAX.
So it is also possible that sensors+EEC glitch can reduce RPM or shut down engines & in the MFD it'll appear like a cutoff operation & the FO being far less experienced than Captain, can misunderstand.


It is possible that certain Captains & FOs don't get along well, but they still have to work together, this happens in every office, human nature. So people who don't get along well in office impulsively/reflexively can misunderstand/suspect each other.