Electronics and Semiconductor Manufacturing Industry

[crazywithmath]

That guy you've quoted is known for criticising for the sake of criticising. If we didn't move along this path he'd turn around to criticize the government for myopia & apathy.

OTOH ,when there's movement on this front he comes up with the kind of argument he just did.

My Hindi teacher back in school had an apt phrase for such distasteful people - ek toh karela , suar , us par bhi neem chadha.

Who tf cares about the tone-policing.

"Derr aaye, drust aaye".

I would be happy if they start dong it.

Thus, we shouldn't even attempt doing anything with it, got it. Same people will do vidhwa vilap when we lag behind.

Ya'll should read some of his older posts. He criticizes the state of semiconductor R&D in India because they just never lead to anything meaningful (beyond some academic papers). He has some detailed articles on Swarajyamag over their previous attempts too (Shakti processors etc) which too went nowhere.

Either way, in this context he seems to have taken an issue with their PR (ie, first time in the world/smallest in the world etc).

Following is one other instance;

India develops tiny memory to make chips 'perfect' - ET CIO

Semiconductor Manufacturing: "In contrast to the high voltage required by gate oxide breakdown (a popular OTP memory), IIT Bombay's memory chip requires less power and chip-area as the need for boosted voltage supply is avoided," a release from the Scientific Advisor's office said.

cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com

Look how they call everything a 'game-changer' and yet never make it to the industry. This 'let us publish just for the sake of publishing and then hype it up' culture is too deep rooted across a number of disciplines in Indian academia - I see no reason why it should not be called out.

In absence of dedicated national missions (a la ISRO, National Quantum Computing Mission) this culture will persist.

 

[shade2]

India develops tiny memory to make chips 'perfect' - ET CIO

Semiconductor Manufacturing: "In contrast to the high voltage required by gate oxide breakdown (a popular OTP memory), IIT Bombay's memory chip requires less power and chip-area as the need for boosted voltage supply is avoided," a release from the Scientific Advisor's office said.

cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com

Look how they call everything a 'game-changer' and yet never make it to the industry. This 'let us publish just for the sake of publishing and then hype it up' culture is too deep rooted across a number of disciplines in Indian academia - I see no reason why it should not be called out.

In absence of dedicated national missions (a la ISRO, National Quantum Computing Mission) this culture will persist.

From a friend I have heard the scientists involve hype all this up so that they are scooped up by foreign companies.
They are not serious about productionizing whatever item they are researching, only hyping to get jobs

And you are right, you need a dedicated "national mission" to fix this.

 

[Azaad]

Ya'll should read some of his older posts. He criticizes the state of semiconductor R&D in India because they just never lead to anything meaningful (beyond some academic papers). He has some detailed articles on Swarajyamag over their previous attempts too (Shakti processors etc) which too went nowhere.

If Shakti processors went nowhere who's fault is it ? The developers or the government's for not creating a holistic eco system from funding to development to marketing .

Or is he expecting the developers to market the product as well for in the absence of a sound application based development program the entire project turns out to be a science project.

It's an honest question as my knowledge of the entire SMC industry is cursory.

Either way, in this context he seems to have taken an issue with their PR (ie, first time in the world/smallest in the world etc).

Scientists will try to amplify their accomplishments or their job profile. It's the job of the newspapers to verify information thus disseminated which in this case the said newspaper did accomplish by stating plenty of such programs are already on with decent funding.

Following is one other instance;

India develops tiny memory to make chips 'perfect' - ET CIO

Semiconductor Manufacturing: "In contrast to the high voltage required by gate oxide breakdown (a popular OTP memory), IIT Bombay's memory chip requires less power and chip-area as the need for boosted voltage supply is avoided," a release from the Scientific Advisor's office said.

cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com

Look how they call everything a 'game-changer' and yet never make it to the industry. This 'let us publish just for the sake of publishing and then hype it up' culture is too deep rooted across a number of disciplines in Indian academia - I see no reason why it should not be called out.

The objective is to see if what these developers have accomplished is indeed something of note or is it merely hot air .

If it's the latter , they should be hauled over the coals . If it's the former then surely it must have applications in industry . Why didn't it find such an application then ?

In absence of dedicated national missions (a la ISRO, National Quantum Computing Mission) this culture will persist.

True but once again I ask , whose fault is it ? That of the developers or the institute or the government ?

 

[ArjunMK1A]

There is old saying when I was in College, Physics bros give detailed information regarding various phenomenon. It is upto Engineers bro to build an meaningful applications.

If we go across BARC, ISRO, CSIR, IIT Websites all of them have an section where Transfer of Technology is available for things they have done. But it is upto Indian Engineering companies who employs Engineers to make them an meaningful Applications.

Shakti architecture exists, any company who wants to utilize them can gain ToT and develop them. ISRO have Fuel Cell technology, an automobile company can gain know how and build an Hydrogen vehicle. BARC have ToT for Electron Beam welding, Any company can gain ToT and build machines which can used in variety of applications

It is clear we have poor academic-industry in our country is dogshit and there seems to be few changes there. Compared to Chinaman and Burgerman there you have startups who will fork out these tech to build something useful.

 

[crazywithmath]

If Shakti processors went nowhere who's fault is it ? The developers or the government's for not creating a holistic eco system from funding to development to marketing .

I am not a domain expert but I remember a number of folks with direct knowledge questioning the brouhaha over Shakti processors back when it was a big thing and all across the media.

Or is he expecting the developers to market the product as well for in the absence of a sound application based development program the entire project turns out to be a science project.

It's an honest question as my knowledge of the entire SMC industry is cursory.

Scientists will try to amplify their accomplishments or their job profile. It's the job of the newspapers to verify information thus disseminated which in this case the said newspaper did accomplish by stating plenty of such programs are already on with decent funding.


The objective is to see if what these developers have accomplished is indeed something of note or is it merely hot air .

If it's the latter , they should be hauled over the coals . If it's the former then surely it must have applications in industry . Why didn't it find such an application then ?

True but once again I ask , whose fault is it ? That of the developers or the institute or the government ?

We have had this discussion over the lack of truly cutting edge product development or the absence of industry-academia collaboration before - on the DRDO thread, I think (where I pointed out that the market for truly high end stuffs is not big enough to justify risky and long term R&D commitments just yet - and that, with rapid economic growth, it is bound to change but up until that point the gormint will have to step up with dedicated national missions).

However, it still does not justify the 'let us publish and hype anything and everything just for the sake of it' culture prevalent among some of these career academicians. A few of these IISc/IIT guys tried their level best to derail the chipmaking incentive schemes by demanding some so-called 'research fabs' in their campuses - fortunately, the decision makers ignored them and persisted with their original plan of incentivizing high volume commercial chipmakers.

 

[ezsasa]

India develops tiny memory to make chips 'perfect' - ET CIO

Semiconductor Manufacturing: "In contrast to the high voltage required by gate oxide breakdown (a popular OTP memory), IIT Bombay's memory chip requires less power and chip-area as the need for boosted voltage supply is avoided," a release from the Scientific Advisor's office said.

cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com

Look how they call everything a 'game-changer' and yet never make it to the industry. This 'let us publish just for the sake of publishing and then hype it up' culture is too deep rooted across a number of disciplines in Indian academia - I see no reason why it should not be called out.

this hype thing comes when gormint PROs get involved, they are trying to imitate hindi belt's news media adjectives. when transposed to english, they end up looking weird.

ascharyachakit drishya
romanchak kahani
ghamasan yudh
rongte khade karne wale durghatna

if we notice anantha krishnan(tarmak/writetake) has not been HAL spokesperson for a long time, yet he too gets into this mode in his interviews even now.

it's a sarkari thing.

 

[jaijaganath]

Guys is it true that micron has started recruiting btech freshers for it's plant

Heard somewhere I don't think it's true

Can anyone confirm

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

I am not a domain expert but I remember a number of folks with direct knowledge questioning the brouhaha over Shakti processors back when it was a big thing and all across the media.



We have had this discussion over the lack of truly cutting edge product development or the absence of industry-academia collaboration before - on the DRDO thread, I think (where I pointed out that the market for truly high end stuffs is not big enough to justify risky and long term R&D commitments just yet - and that, with rapid economic growth, it is bound to change but up until that point the gormint will have to step up with dedicated national missions).

However, it still does not justify the 'let us publish and hype anything and everything just for the sake of it' culture prevalent among some of these career academicians. A few of these IISc/IIT guys tried their level best to derail the chipmaking incentive schemes by demanding some so-called 'research fabs' in their campuses - fortunately, the decision makers ignored them and persisted with their original plan of incentivizing high volume commercial chipmakers.

academic industrial collab is only possible through a push from gormit, that pat I absolutely agree with you, a large section of academicians and industrialist have no concept of such thing.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Alphabet Inc shifts Google Pixel production from Vietnam to India amid US tariff concerns

Alphabet is in discussions with Dixon Technologies and Foxconn to shift Google Pixel smartphone production to India, particularly for US-bound devices, due to potential tariffs on Vietnam. The company aims to mitigate sourcing risks and is exploring localizing components within India.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[TopWatcher]

Alphabet Inc shifts Google Pixel production from Vietnam to India amid US tariff concerns

Alphabet is in discussions with Dixon Technologies and Foxconn to shift Google Pixel smartphone production to India, particularly for US-bound devices, due to potential tariffs on Vietnam. The company aims to mitigate sourcing risks and is exploring localizing components within India.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Seems like Endiaa given a deal to US to increase tariff on other countries and move production to Endiaa, than Endiaa will offer 0 tariff.