Global 6th Generation Fighter Aircraft Projects

How about no winglets at all, that will aligity more either having upwards or downwards canted wings.
And that's too big to be called a winglet.
The upwards winglets are generally used to reduce the tip vortex drag.
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And probably from the same site that you visited
"One aspect of efficiency that downward pointing wingtips improve is increased bottom lift from increased compression of air underneath. "End caps", wing tip fuel tanks, anhedralled wings, Lippisch ears, downward folding wing tips (as seen on the XB-70), and downward pointing winglets achieve the same effect.

These benefits must be weighed against the increased drag (with the exception of the XB-70) adding them to the design produces.

However, for the smaller drone pictured above, the downward pointing wingtips also serve a very important function best described by one of my mentors as follows: "If you were a seagull, you would not want a cross wind blowing you into a cliff." The downward pointing wingtips roll and yaw the plane into a cross wind gust, whereas the "classic" upward pointed vertical stabilizer design will tend to roll away from the gust, especially if the gust gets "under" the windward wing. For a very light model (or bird), the result is getting rolled and pushed downwind. Not a good day for that seagull."
Yes Google would show same set of top resuts in 1st page.
Shock compression lift works at high Mach speeds, basically when the operating speed shock cone touches airframe, just like SR-71, MiG-21, etc used engine spike cone.
A heavy big supersonic bomber using SCL Vs a fighter jet using it would be 2 very different things.

So downward canted wings provide more stability against cross winds.
No, after quoting also you got it opposite.
Just remember that airliners also land in cross-winds but use dihedral wings & mostly upward winglets for better stability & passenger safety. So fighter jet is required to be unstable by default, to be controlled by FCS. F-22's forward half of wing are fully anhedral & rear half is partially anhedral.
 
No, after quoting also you got it opposite.
Just remember that airliners also land in cross-winds but use dihedral wings & mostly upward winglets for better stability & passenger safety.
That's where you got it confused.
The good or bad stability is relative.
The upward canted tip on wings and low positioned wings are not there for stability mainly.
Airliners even without top mounted wing and downward canted wing extensions, have "good enough" stability for crosswinds, plus tricks like tilting the nose of the airliner towards the head wind further helps.
Plus the upward wingtips in airlines are relatively quite small to not interfere much with aerodynamics while helping to reduce wingtip vortex.
But cargo jets, like c17, c5, ill76 etc All have top mounted wings to provide higher stability than airliners especially in crosswinds
Imagine this, the weight of fuselage hanging Below the lift generating by wings( like c17, c5 etc) vs wings below the fuselag( A380, 777 etc), due to torque the fuselage hanging Below the wings will act as a much better counterbalance and help in stability than latter.

Regular, upward-pointing winglets have a number of disadvantages, one of them their induction of lift on the wing when their rudders are deflected, which produces an undesired rolling moment and prevents rolling the aircraft into the intended turn. Downward-pointing winglets helped to make the aircraft flyable without computer control, because they help with

***directional stability** possible by their rear position due to the high wing sweep angle
rolling moment with rudder deflection, rolling the aircraft into the direction of the turn commanded by the rudders.


So fighter jet is required to be unstable by default, to be controlled by FCS. F-22's forward half of wing are fully anhedral & rear half is partially anhedral.
That's why neither downward canted wing extensions or upwards canted wing extensions are used in fighter jets.
 
That's where you got it confused.
The good or bad stability is relative.
The upward canted tip on wings and low positioned wings are not there for stability mainly.

When we will search on Google & Youtube about Dihedral Vs Anhedral wings then they'll all clearly say same thing about increasing or decreasing roll. That's good enough fo rme.

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Wing shape & size changes the center of gravity & center of lift.

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Low/mid/high mounted wings again shift the CG up/down.

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When it comes to winglets, it looks small & simple, but multiple things matter there like the sweep angle of its leading edge & trailing edge, its length, the cant angle, the chord length. There can be many combinations of these aspects with different final effect. Cl & Cd (coefficientof Lift & Drag) are tabulated for each combo, that too at different AoA, So winglet-angle/AoA/Cl/Cd/roll-angle, It becomes a multi-dimensional matrix & graph. :sick::faint::faint2: If you wanna deep dive then this entire year 2025 will go into it everyday.
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What have you written here:
Airliners even without top mounted wing and downward canted wing extensions, have "good enough" stability for crosswinds, plus tricks like tilting the nose of the airliner towards the head wind further helps.
This is an indirect sentence construction:
without top mounted wing = low wing
without downward canted wing = upward canted dihedral wing.
So your sentence translates to - low mounted dihedral wing (like of airliners) have good enough stability for crosswinds.
And i said same that dihedral wings add to stability.
So i suggest you use direct sentence construction & avoid repeatition.



Plus the upward wingtips in airlines are relatively quite small to not interfere much with aerodynamics while helping to reduce wingtip vortex.
That's a generic statement when you use the word aerodynamics.
The vortex creates drag & also downwash which decreases low pressue above wing & counters the lift of outer affected section.
Winglets reduce the drag & downwash.

But cargo jets, like c17, c5, ill76 etc All have top mounted wings to provide higher stability than airliners especially in crosswinds
Imagine this, the weight of fuselage hanging Below the lift generating by wings( like c17, c5 etc) vs wings below the fuselag( A380, 777 etc), due to torque the fuselage hanging Below the wings will act as a much better counterbalance and help in stability than latter.
Yes thats true due to pendulum or Keel-effect which happens in high mounted wing. If we make the wing dihedral then the center of gravity will go up reducing the keel effect & decrease stability.
So a cargo jet can choose b/w high mounted anhedral & low mounted dihedral.
But stealth fighter jet fuselages are flatter even after having high mounted wings. So the CG goes up & the Keel effect is low.

Regular, upward-pointing winglets have a number of disadvantages, one of them their induction of lift on the wing when their rudders are deflected, which produces an undesired rolling moment and prevents rolling the aircraft into the intended turn. Downward-pointing winglets helped to make the aircraft flyable without computer control, because they help with

***directional stability** possible by their rear position due to the high wing sweep angle
rolling moment with rudder deflection, rolling the aircraft into the direction of the turn commanded by the rudders.
I don't see anything new in the stackexchange answers.
You ignored an important aspect here that the person answered w.r.t. winglet used as rudder, like a V-tail.
I said this earlier also that the V-tail is not good for yaw as it produces rolling effect. And for pitch also the diagonal deflection of air has horizontal & vertical components. So an upward winglet has identical effect.
Every tapered corner creates vortex & adds to lift due to low pressure above surface.
Hence the chines or tapered fuselage becomes a lifting body, compared to simple cylindrical fuselage. This was seen in SR-71.
BoP's gull wing is not new but they obviously wanted to test combination of multiple things, its aerodynamics & stealth.

That's why neither downward canted wing extensions or upwards canted wing extensions are used in fighter jets.
F-4 Phantom had partially upward canted dihedral wing & anhedral tail-stab.
Harrier haad anhedral wing & tail-stab.
Who know the future where a jet with horizontal wing & anhedral winglet might be seen. I wouldn't bet on it.
 
Another artist imagines F-47 little longer, dihedral wing with anhedral winglet.
The wing root is shifted back & intakes are also much behind, not enough space for serpentine duct, so engine would be visible.
Engine bays are apart & middle space filled like in Su-57, so might have tandem IWBs.
Perfect side, front, bottom images not available.


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Another artist imagines F-47 little longer, dihedral wing with anhedral winglet.
The wing root is shifted back & intakes are also much behind, not enough space for serpentine duct, so engine would be visible.
Engine bays are apart & middle space filled like in Su-57, so might have tandem IWBs.
Perfect side, front, bottom images not available.


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Another peice of information I got from the fa18 maintainer guy, is that production varient of f47 is expected to be twin seater, and the artist impression shown in white house Is test vehicle.
 
Another peice of information I got from the fa18 maintainer guy, is that production varient of f47 is expected to be twin seater, and the artist impression shown in white house Is test vehicle.
I wonder how naval F-18 maintenance guy got to know such undisclosed info about AF jet, 🤔
& how you got in touch with him?:spy::LOL:
But it makes sense to keep the suspense & chatter going by showing only a TD partially till production model is revealed in public ceremony.
 
I wonder how naval F-18 maintenance guy got to know such undisclosed info about AF jet, 🤔
& how you got in touch with him?:spy::LOL:
But it makes sense to keep the suspense & chatter going by showing only a TD partially till production model is revealed in public ceremony.
The configuration of the jet is confidential but it's not a "high level" confidentiality.
Being in the airforce will means somw knowledge of general configuration can be known, like knowing about them testing systems, subsystems for future jets.
Though if you wanna join.

View: https://youtu.be/uTWXtFOEH3A?si=vSrMz9YbLD73Bgyo
Go to the description, there's the discord link.
There's also a Russian engineer working for russisn mod, and some other pilots of both west and russia, and some guys working in radar field, tho most active ones are university kids.
 
The configuration of the jet is confidential but it's not a "high level" confidentiality.
Being in the airforce will means somw knowledge of general configuration can be known, like knowing about them testing systems, subsystems for future jets.
Though if you wanna join.

View: https://youtu.be/uTWXtFOEH3A?si=vSrMz9YbLD73Bgyo
Go to the description, there's the discord link.
There's also a Russian engineer working for russisn mod, and some other pilots of both west and russia, and some guys working in radar field, tho most active ones are university kids.

Tho Don't tag me or mention me in that server.
 
Some 3D artist imagined & made 3D model & animation of F-47, whose fuselage looks like F/A-XX concept, upward tilted wings remind of Bird-of-Prey, engine bay hump reminds of YF-23.
So F-47 NGAD = F/A-XX + BoP + YF-23. :troll: :facepalm4:

I'm putting a smaller collage as the images are huge, bigger than the collage.
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View: https://x.com/tomcat_fans/status/1904269703222083633

Some selected screenshots from animation showing specific angles to show airframe shape, parts:
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The artist has updated a modified version w/o canard stating that USN doesn't wan't canards.
Well, this is opposite expectation if USAF wants canards but not USN bcoz the wing leading edge has high sweep angle means higher landing speed w/o canard.
I'm posting a collage again as the images are huge.
> Perhaps the nose & chine need more blending like in Rodrigo Avellas F/A-X concept for bigger & wider coverage radar.
> Wings have been made little Lambda style than Delta earlier.
> There doesn't seem to be any winglet.
> Intakes have DSI. The intake lower edge is ahead of upper edge (blended with wing root). This can be a problem if high AoA & tight turn is desired as some air can slip out over wing causing insufficient air flow & compressor stall. Giving aux-intakes below or moving lip like in EF-2000 would increase complexity & RCS.
> Parallel IWB not tandem & SWB have been marked.
> Engine bays quite far separated, the duct may not be serpentine enough, engine would be visible.
> Exhaust look like that of YF-23 w/o TVC.

It seems that this is going to become a standard look of all 6gen jets. ✈️✈️✈️✈️✈️✈️
Blame game already started on who's copying whom :ROFLMAO: :facepalm2: It is bcoz of planform shaping fundamental started since 5gen.

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The artist has updated a modified version w/o canard stating that USN doesn't wan't canards.
Well, this is opposite expectation if USAF wants canards but not USN bcoz the wing leading edge has high sweep angle means higher landing speed w/o canard.
I'm posting a collage again as the images are huge.
> Perhaps the nose & chine need more blending like in Rodrigo Avellas F/A-X concept for bigger & wider coverage radar.
> Wings have been made little Lambda style than Delta earlier.
> There doesn't seem to be any winglet.
> Intakes have DSI. The intake lower edge is ahead of upper edge (blended with wing root). This can be a problem if high AoA & tight turn is desired as some air can slip out over wing causing insufficient air flow & compressor stall. Giving aux-intakes below or moving lip like in EF-2000 would increase complexity & RCS.
> Parallel IWB not tandem & SWB have been marked.
> Engine bays quite far separated, the duct may not be serpentine enough, engine would be visible.
> Exhaust look like that of YF-23 w/o TVC.

It seems that this is going to become a standard look of all 6gen jets. ✈️✈️✈️✈️✈️✈️
Blame game already started on who's copying whom :ROFLMAO: :facepalm2: It is bcoz of planform shaping fundamental started since 5gen.

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In this rendering, the wing tips seems movable, like chinese j50.

If the artist just added canards to this rendering, I think it would become a decently accurate f47, except 2d thrust vectoring due to yf23 like engines.
 
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In this rendering, the wing tips seems movable, like chinese j50.

If the artist just added canards to this rendering, I think it would become a decently accurate f47, except 2d thrust vectoring due to yf23 like engines.
No the tips are not movable. You can download the original high-res image from X & see. Just 2 color shades difference.
Movable tip looks cool, perhaps aerodynamically better but would increase RCS compared to fixed tip whose only parts are taken by slat & aeleron.
 
No the tips are not movable. You can download the original high-res image from X & see. Just 2 color shades difference.
Movable tip looks cool, perhaps aerodynamically better but would increase RCS compared to fixed tip whose only parts are taken by slat & aeleron.
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This led to me thinking it was moving, seeing the large gap between control surfaces and top, and separate colour of tip and wing
But yeah in other pics it does seem fixed.
 
what was once mostly deemed fiction, is now becoming a reality to some practical extent
remember Turbokat from 'Swat Kats' cartoon lol

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a tri-engine superfighter with futuristic capabilities...is now perhaps a reality with that chinese sixth gen tri-engine aircraft

can't wait for days when we can have something like VF-1 Valkyrie and YF-1 Omega from 'SDF Macross' anime lol
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what was once mostly deemed fiction, is now becoming a reality to some practical extent
remember Turbokat from 'Swat Kats' cartoon lol

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a tri-engine superfighter with futuristic capabilities...is now perhaps a reality with that chinese sixth gen tri-engine aircraft

can't wait for days when we can have something like VF-1 Valkyrie and YF-1 Omega from 'SDF Macross' anime lol
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We better succeed with a powerful JV-VCE otherwise we'll have to use not just 3 but 4 engines in AHCA. :facepalm2::facepalm4::hehe::roflb::pound::pray::pray2:

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what was once mostly deemed fiction, is now becoming a reality to some practical extent
remember Turbokat from 'Swat Kats' cartoon lol

View attachment 28935
a tri-engine superfighter with futuristic capabilities...is now perhaps a reality with that chinese sixth gen tri-engine aircraft

can't wait for days when we can have something like VF-1 Valkyrie and YF-1 Omega from 'SDF Macross' anime lol
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This is the ideal shape for stealth,that future fighters will try to get as much close to as they can with extra modifications in the design to meet other requirements.
 

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