Idiotic Musings from the West

[realsumo]

This is something that I always wondered why the Indian government has never been able to do.
India has the largest diaspora but I don't think they will ever utilize it. Government use to be
almost hostile when it came to indian origin Indians returning.

Hmm, recently I saw a video on YouTube, by US army war college. They mentioned that Indian government never used to engage with diaspora before, but that has started to change with the new BJP government. And, it is perhaps one of the most recognisable difference between this and the past governments. Where the current BJP government has actively tried to engage with the diaspora. (From 48:10 onwards)




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[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Change your attitude because your attitude is why India got conquered in the first place.

The most toxic concept in Hinduism is this whole " mleccha desh and if u go, u need purification to return" nonsense.
What this did, is hand over control of international trade to foreigners coz stupid cleansing ritual scam.

Indians who dominated Arabian sea trade since 500bc are gone from the scene nearly completely by 600Ad.

What this means, is we lost our eyes and ears overseas and lost pulse on what is coming our way.

Look at the Chinese and Learn. They worship their overseas community. Why? Because they see that libbu or confucian, Chinese is Chinese and they are planting seeds of China overseas.

For every 10 libbu white bootlicker you have 1 colonialist like me: I didn't come to the west to become western.
I hindu-fied snow-white before marrying her. ( it helped that she was more Hindu than me and raised in Ramkrishna mission lol)

I have spent over 1 crore in my lifetime in India promoting Hinduism. Something I would never ever be able to do if I didn't leave India and make 40x of what indians with better skills than me in my field make.

The main funding for hinduvta comes from us : overseas hinduvta. Not your Tata Birlas.
You should be thanking the overseas community instead of repeating the biggest idiocy if Hinduism

lol...no where in hinduism it said that we dont hv to travel in maleccha country. first thing we dont consider whole nation as malecchas, its quality based name just like arya. so maleccha is consider that individual person, who dont follow certain things. whole country never leveled as malecchas country.
we respect overseas indians but not as same like indians who r living in india. coz u guys willingly left ur motherland, for different reasons. instead of improving nd fighting with us in our nation. india time to time help NRI in other countries. even in war torn countries. like 1.7 lakh indians airlifted from qatar in 1990, during iraqi invasion. can u tell us? what china did for chinese in other countries.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

lol...no where in hinduism it said that we dont hv to travel in maleccha country. first thing we dont consider whole nation as malecchas, its quality based name just like arya. may be u read mullas book, where they said to do hijrat if they r living with kaffir.
we respect overseas indians but not as same like indians who r living in india. coz u guys willingly left ur motherland, for different reasons. instead of improving nd fighting with us in our nation. india time to time help NRI in other countries. even in war torn countries. like 1.7 lakh indians airlifted from qatar in 1990, during iraqi invasion. can u tell us? what china did for chinese in other countries.

There literally are smriti literature talking of purification ritual when leaving and re-entering aryavarta and all outside are termed mleccha deshas. Can be cited if u wish.

It's from ao long ago and for so long that u can actually see aryavarta expanding from the doab and trans sutlej to bihar-bengal and penetrative Vindhyas.

U respect people less for willingly leaving motherland ?? See that's the same mleccha desha nonsense mentality.
I willingly left motherland coz I knew I can do 100x from motherland than if I stayed. Which is true.
Which non-businessman high tech person in India can spend lakhs and lakhs for motherland ??

Find me a single IT professional who is a wage earner in India who had done half as much for motherland as me : which is spend as much as me on hunduvta and have as much money sitting in Indian bank generating wealth for India.

Find me one such individual before u rank a Desi higher than me in deshbhakti. So now what ??

I literally rank in top 0.0001% indians for doing things for motherland and that's specifically coz I left desh. If I stuck around and was 10 times smarter than I was, I wouldn't gave been able to do even 5% as much for desh. So now what ??

Ps: by the way. Ironically this dehati mentality of mleccha Desha came into Hinduism because we were so scientifically advanced.
One thing often overlooked is that susruta is father of epidemiology. He is first human ever to figure out diseases are caused by infections and not unbalanced humours or doshas or miasma nonsense.

So " yikes do cleansing ritual after returning from mleccha desh" most likely started as a health quarantine stuff as india is the foremost nation in ancient history for personal hygiene and purity of food, etc. This is coz we live in tropic and purity culture is what allowed us to thrive.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

I literally rank in top 0.0001% indians for doing things for motherland and that's specifically coz I left desh. If I stuck around and was 10 times smarter than I was, I wouldn't gave been able to do even 5% as much for desh. So now what ??

than u r exception bro... exception didnt count. if its true. than u r even more praiseworthy nd honored than any of us. i m saying to those indian, who leave nd forget india. i didnt said i disrespect them. but i cant respect them as much i respect to indians who r living in india.
can u quote those smriti mantras...if u hv time plz. thnx

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Hmm, recently I saw a video on YouTube, by US army war college. They mentioned that Indian government never used to engage with diaspora before, but that has started to change with the new BJP government. And, it is perhaps one of the most recognisable difference between this and the past governments. Where the current BJP government has actively tried to engage with the diaspora. (From 48:10 onwards)

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Modi has done a lot more than others which was basically nothing. But I wouldn’t say India has made it easy or attractive for the diaspora like other countries have done. Once the tech bubble pops India will realize what a golden opportunity they had which they did not capitalize on.

 

[realsumo]

So " yikes do cleansing ritual after returning from mleccha desh" most likely started as a health quarantine stuff as india is the foremost nation in ancient history for personal hygiene and purity of food, etc.

Your hypothesis could actually be true. I remember reading from a British source that, it was due to the ritual of letting the ashes flow back into Ganga. People used to believe that it would be impossible to do the same after cremation if people left for the seas. And, their souls won't get moksha. I could be wrong, but this is want I remember. I will attach the page, if I find it.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

than u r exception bro... exception didnt count. if its true. than u r even more praiseworthy nd honored than any of us. i m saying to those indian, who leave nd forget india. i didnt said i disrespect them. but i cant respect them as much i respect to indians who r living in india.
can u quote those smriti mantras...if u hv time plz. thnx

I like your honesty many NRI visit India and expect to be welcomed with open arms and usually come back disappointed

 

[GaudaNaresh]

than u r exception bro... exception didnt count. if its true. than u r even more praiseworthy nd honored than any of us. i m saying to those indian, who leave nd forget india. i didnt said i disrespect them. but i cant respect them as much i respect to indians who r living in india.
can u quote those smriti mantras...if u hv time plz. thnx

That's where u r wrong and that's where I say: learn from the Chinese


To spread your tentacles and grow support worldwide u have to tap into diaspora power and earn it and make it urs.
In order to do that, you must learn from chinku and adopt attitude of " ek gaudanaresh mile to hazar Bobby Jindal manzoor".
Chinku is anything but stupid, FYI.

I know chinku better than 99.9% indians on planet. You know why ? Coz I lived in city for 20 years that is gateway to Canada for chinkus and u meet every sort of chinku in their thousands. From dehati to commie snooty princelings to meat and potatoes middle class- ALL.

THESE are things to learn from chinku when we marvel or seethe and cope at chinku and rue at our failures.

The greatest general of last 1000 years said : " always try to learn from thy enemy for they may yet have an advantage you don't have and don't know about ".

This is one such thing. Up to you if you want to learn or not. This I don't say out of self interest coz I don't care for adulation or fame or people would've 100% heard my name if I cared that much for it.

And desh to me means a dharmic nation-state, best case scenario hindu. Worst case scenario is non hindu dharmic.

I don't give a rats ass if entire india hates me or loves me for it, I do for desh coz this is what i beleive india as desh is and I love desh. The end.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

I like your honesty many NRI visit India and expect to be welcomed with open arms and usually come back disappointed

is it ur experience??? coz i hv limited knowledge of NRI, who visited india. but i never heard they were treated like outsider. look this is my preference, when i think about it:-
1:- most i respect my family members.
2:- than i respect to my tribal village people.
3:- than i respect to kumauni people.
4:- than i respect to uttarakhandi people.
5:- than i respect to any other state people.
6:- than i respect outside indians.
7:- than i respect other nation people.
but this isnt mean for number 1 above list person, i can disrespect lower number people. these things r unmeasurable. In reality i cant say which one i choose, if i hv to choose only 1 of them. above all of this comes country. any person who do good for our country is as respectable as my family.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

is it ur experience??? coz i hv limited knowledge of NRI, who visited india. but i never heard they were treated like outsider. look this is my preference, when i think about it:-
1:- most i respect my family members.
2:- than i respect to my tribal village people.
3:- than i respect to kumauni people.
4:- than i respect to uttarakhandi people.
5:- than i respect to any other state people.
6:- than i respect outside indians.
7:- than i respect other nation people.
but this isnt mean for number 1 above list person, i can disrespect lower number people. these things r unmeasurable. In reality i cant say which one i choose, if i hv to choose only 1 of them. above all of this comes country. any person who do good for our country is as respectable as my family.

This has been my experience maybe it was the people I was visiting??? But I don’t want to generalize for everybody

 

[Sanglamorre]

Because govt is not as powerful as you think. Chinese get to use their diaspora because Chinese culture looks kindly to diaspora.

Indian govt can't use diaspora well because half the Indians still think in the retarded " mleccha desh" ways.

Also, in almost all the cases, the diaspora has families in China that routinely get disappeared if they don't behave and work for the CCP.
WeChat governance is seriously a thing. CCP routinely threatens overseas Chinese with it.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

this purification nd not travel to videsh not that old custom...it developed after british came to india. can u provide any proof, that this custom developed before british raj.

No. It's much older. U don't know what u speak of. We have this in itihasas and some smritis I have to look up.its not obscure but not prominent either, it's mentioned in 3-4 sources.

As i said it's so long ago and for so long u can actually see the Aryavarta expanding through the time as Vedic span spread.

Like I hope u know that aryavarta as land has different bounds in Gupta and magadh period - vupta period it's expanded into Assam, while magadh period Assam is mlecchadesha.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Also, in almost all the cases, the diaspora has families in China that routinely get disappeared if they don't behave and work for the CCP.
WeChat governance is seriously a thing. CCP routinely threatens overseas Chinese with it.

True, but this is a very minor driver in this regard. We all know that Chinese gormint are bigger cunts than Indian govt. In that, koi shaq ?? If so, remove shaq.

This is a case of Chinese govt being bigger cuts by using attributes of Chinese culture. I am no expert on Chinese politics or economics or what goes on INSIDE china. But i know fair bit of Chinese history, i have dozens of Chinku friends, i have met thousands of chinkus in my life personally, lived amongst them for a while too ( Ask anyone what Landsdowne, Richmond looks like or google-view it if u can lol) and i get chinese culture to a large degree, despite language barriers.

Chinkus as people LOVE disaspora. A BIG sign of this, is new oldie chinkus who arrive arent all snotty about how mini-chinku-desh in Chang-couver is not chinku-enough.They go 'waaao this is more chinku than i expected' even when its just 2 chinku stalls in the street.
And i have been to Chinkuland as well- they dont shame their overseas Chinku unless they are like uber-nautanki-for-uncle-sam types.
Chinkus even love Malay-chinku waaaaaaaaaaay more than Desi loves Mauritius-desis for eg. Even here.


PS: Reason i say i know CHINKUS and not Canuck-chinkus is because again, Vancouver. When i came to Van, city had like 100,000 Chinkus living in it When i left, that number had gone to half a million chinkus.
So that means, 80% of chinkus in van are real china chinkus who arrived while i was there. So i get to analyze CHINESE culture, not ABCD version of chinku culture. ( That exists as well and i know how to tell that too).

 

[LETHALFORCE]

True, but this is a very minor driver in this regard. We all know that Chinese gormint are bigger cunts than Indian govt. In that, koi shaq ?? If so, remove shaq.

This is a case of Chinese govt being bigger cuts by using attributes of Chinese culture. I am no expert on Chinese politics or economics or what goes on INSIDE china. But i know fair bit of Chinese history, i have dozens of Chinku friends, i have met thousands of chinkus in my life personally, lived amongst them for a while too ( Ask anyone what Landsdowne, Richmond looks like or google-view it if u can lol) and i get chinese culture to a large degree, despite language barriers.

Chinkus as people LOVE disaspora. A BIG sign of this, is new oldie chinkus who arrive arent all snotty about how mini-chinku-desh in Chang-couver is not chinku-enough.They go 'waaao this is more chinku than i expected' even when its just 2 chinku stalls in the street.
And i have been to Chinkuland as well- they dont shame their overseas Chinku unless they are like uber-nautanki-for-uncle-sam types.
Chinkus even love Malay-chinku waaaaaaaaaaay more than Desi loves Mauritius-desis for eg. Even here.


PS: Reason i say i know CHINKUS and not Canuck-chinkus is because again, Vancouver. When i came to Van, city had like 100,000 Chinkus living in it When i left, that number had gone to half a million chinkus.
So that means, 80% of chinkus in van are real china chinkus who arrived while i was there. So i get to analyze CHINESE culture, not ABCD version of chinku culture. ( That exists as well and i know how to tell that too).

The comparision with chinese is not appropriate. Indians can be compared to any ghetto dwelling population that is jealous of the others in the ghetto when one improves or progresses everyone else
hates him and tries to keep him from leaving the ghetto . I might be giving an indian american view
don't know about canada? but this jealous competition/rivalry is even stronger in the kids in USA;
It reminds me a lot of the Indian soap operas it is viscous and malicious.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

The comparision with chinese is not appropriate. Indians can be compared to any ghetto dwelling population that is jealous of the others in the ghetto when one improves or progresses everyone else
hates him and tries to keep him from leaving the ghetto . I might be giving an indian american view
don't know about canada? but this jealous competition/rivalry is even stronger in the kids in USA;
It reminds me a lot of the Indian soap operas it is viscous and malicious.

As much of a paradox it is, i am no expert ON Indians. I have astringently mostly avoided Indians growing up precisely dueto this crab in a barrel mentality and i am only even in solid touch with just a few cousins ( i am no lafraa guy, but i will cut you off if r lafraa and toxic type to me).

I hate the fact that i have only met like 5-6 indian aunties who want to talk about what i THINK than talk about my creds and work and accomplishmnts and then turn convo into some contest-fest with their kids and ask me to help out or brag in front of me.

Yes, that may be another aspect as to why Indians suck at not just diaspora but overall unity-we are too dehati crab in the barrel mentality gao-walla mentality people as a culture.
Cant stand success of others.
Like i got told one of my cousins apparently got instantly jealous and has hated me ever since coz i outshone him academically by a country mile. Wot de foc. he didnt even fail. he has a good job.Forget my cousin sis outshining me, i dont even feel bad when i see an acquaintance go become super duper successful and hit jackpot. I guess i am not wired that way.
But then again, maybe why i am also such an oddball bong- my dad was raised in andaman and he is bong who hates bong and only has ever lived in bongistan as retired rich bong shut-in with his crowd of people.

Anyways, i cant solve India or hinduism or Indians - i have empirical proof that heriditary caste is bullshit, because by caste i am brahman, kuleen brahman no less, but by nature and by accomplishment i am kshatriya and i am completely useless trying to scratch my beard fixing hindu or india issues, but i am blood good at fighting our enemies and cancelling them out. Heck, forget being an actual karma-brahman, my knowledge of hinduism ITSELF is 1/100000th of what a brahmin whos done puja should be and i know less of hinduism than 90% of kattar hindus, regardless of caste. So much for 'muh caste by birth' nonsense, as by that logic i am world's shittiest brahman or in contest for that maybe.

But in terms of ground work, in terms of doing something for logistics, for funding, for intel, etc. i am there- so maybe i am karma-kshatriya? karma-vaish for hinduism ? i dunno.
So that is what i focus on. I can tell this is what Chinese are mucho better than us at and how their mechanics work, how they are better at xyz. I have no plan or idea how to make us better, that is the job of the real karma-brahmans amongst us, as i am by karma, kshatriya, not brahman.

I guess my spirit-guru is Parashuram- never thought till now lol.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

As much of a paradox it is, i am no expert ON Indians. I have astringently mostly avoided Indians growing up precisely dueto this crab in a barrel mentality and i am only even in solid touch with just a few cousins ( i am no lafraa guy, but i will cut you off if r lafraa and toxic type to me).

I am more or less from similar background , I spend most of my youmger life in a small town in NY state
near canadian border. Where I was always the only Indian in the school.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

I am more or less from similar background , I spend most of my youmger life in a small town in NY state
near canadian border. Where I was always the only Indian in the school.

Okay so you had it better than me- i had to play dodgeball with indian aunties and loser indian kids while keeping SOME normal indian kids as friends and make it up with non-desis coz i grew up in middle east where there be shit tons of desis as well as non desis.

You scored freedom-pass from annoying aunties. Waao.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Okay so you had it better than me- i had to play dodgeball with indian aunties and loser indian kids while keeping SOME normal indian kids as friends and make it up with non-desis coz i grew up in middle east where there be shit tons of desis as well as non desis.

You scored freedom-pass from annoying aunties. Waao.

No I didn;t have any Indian kids for company when i was younger everything was very rural ; When I was little older in a bigger city it was the first time I started meeting other indians.

 

[The Juggernaut]

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[Prasad]

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