Idiotic Musings from the West (12 Viewers)

liberalredditor said:
jokes on you, iskcon is taking western money and western ideology to abrahmicize sanatan by saying only krishna and no one else. iskconites say all other devi devatas other than krishna are demigods :blabla:

so before we could spread our ideology, they caught iskcon and started peddling their ideology of only one god ie abrahmic propaganda
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why we r fighting for this??? many shivates called shiva is supreme nd others r subordinate. same case with vishnu, durga, ISCON, arya samaj etc followers. dude if any one only preach krishna, did it harm hinduism?? i dont think so.
if u think ur version of hinduism is right, u should try to spread it in world. nobody will stop u. but why u hv to blame/stop others work for ur own beliefs. u should appricate others, atleast they r bringing enemy cults followers in our one branch of hinduism. ISCON followers will not become ur enemies. nd its not abrahminism, if people only worship single hindu god. its core beliefs of hinduism that u can reach toward moksa, ishwar, truth etc by different ways.
bhai ishe logo pe chhod do ki ve kis hindu philosophy ko follow krte hai. krishna is part of hinduism, agr koi sirf unhe le ke chal raha to isme kya problem hai? problem tab hogi, agr vo other hindu believers ke sath ladai ladne lage. aisa to koi ISCON followers nhi krta. yes debate ka culture to hamesa rahega.
bhai logo ko jodne ke liye commonalities ko dhundo, differences ko nhi. agr aap bolenge ki bhai apke version wala hinduism hi true hai nd other wrong hai. fir sadly aap jese hi kuch bachenge hinduism me. isiliye koi bhi hindu conversion failed hai india me ajkal, log aapas me hi ek dusre ka paaw khechne lag jaate hai.
 
vin pahadi (kumauni) said:
why we r fighting for this??? many shivates called shiva is supreme nd others r subordinate. same case with vishnu, durga, ISCON, arya samaj etc followers. dude if any one only preach krishna, did it harm hinduism?? i dont think so.
if u think ur version of hinduism is right, u should try to spread it in world. nobody will stop u. but why u hv to blame/stop others work for ur own beliefs. u should appricate others, atleast they r bringing enemy cults followers in our one branch of hinduism. ISCON followers will not become ur enemies. nd its not abrahminism, if people only worship single hindu god. its core beliefs of hinduism that u can reach toward moksa, ishwar, truth etc by different ways.
bhai ishe logo pe chhod do ki ve kis hindu philosophy ko follow krte hai. krishna is part of hinduism, agr koi sirf unhe le ke chal raha to isme kya problem hai? problem tab hogi, agr vo other hindu believers ke sath ladai ladne lage. aisa to koi ISCON followers nhi krta. yes debate ka culture to hamesa rahega.
bhai logo ko jodne ke liye commonalities ko dhundo, differences ko nhi. agr aap bolenge ki bhai apke version wala hinduism hi true hai nd other wrong hai. fir sadly aap jese hi kuch bachenge hinduism me. isiliye koi bhi hindu conversion failed hai india me ajkal, log aapas me hi ek dusre ka paaw khechne lag jaate hai.
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Shaivites say shiva is supreme, full stop. They still do sadhana of vishnu ji like vishnu sahasranaam and all.

But iskconites go a mile ahead saying only krishna and rest all are demigods. And biggest joke of iskcon, krishna ji is avatar of vishnuji.
They do full business
 
liberalredditor said:
Shaivites say shiva is supreme, full stop. They still do sadhana of vishnu ji like vishnu sahasranaam and all.

But iskconites go a mile ahead saying only krishna and rest all are demigods. And biggest joke of iskcon, krishna ji is avatar of vishnuji.
They do full business
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do shiva anywhere said he is brahm nd his worshipping lead to moksha? meanwhile Krishna said in Mahabharata that he is brahm nd told following him lead to moksha. he even said whichever god u worship, that means u r worshipping him. so ISCON etc r believing in krishna saying. i m not saying its only truth, coz in hinduism their can be several truths. again in hinduism it doesnt matter if u only believe in one Brahm nd its different roop, or only one supreme god (shiva, shakti, vishnu, krishna etc), its not only abrahmaic thing to follow one god.
mira bai was only worship krishna, hanuman ji only worship ram ji...do any one hv any problem with them?? logically if u think, if all gods r different roops of one brahm/ishwar. it doesnt matter, either u only worship one god or many different god.
u also know western leave their pegan culture long before. if u hv to include them in hinduism, u need a one god/medium. krishna fit in this category. honestly tell me who is much better for us...a person who only follow/worship krishna or a person who follow abrahamic culture? why dont u guys understand in this world multi god religion like hinduism is very hard to spread. no wonder why abrahmaic nd buddhism spread all around world. most people dont like complex religion like hinduism. so its better to introduce them one part of hinduism. if u think krishna isnt part of hinduism, then i cant say anything. ISCON devotees dont said other gods r demigods. but they said krishna is brahm nd all other gods r their different roops. so its not necessary to worship all of them, instead focus in krishna worshipping. again as a hindu, we dont hv to make any objection about it. coz krishna said that in geeta. u cant say krishna was telling lie.
about business. this is material world. u cant do anything without money. its not illegal or sin money.
 
vin pahadi (kumauni) said:
do shiva anywhere said he is brahm nd his worshipping lead to moksha? meanwhile Krishna said in Mahabharata that he is brahm nd told following him lead to moksha. he even said whichever god u worship, that means u r worshipping him. so ISCON etc r believing in krishna saying. i m not saying its only truth, coz in hinduism their can be several truths. again in hinduism it doesnt matter if u only believe in one Brahm nd its different roop, or only one supreme god (shiva, shakti, vishnu, krishna etc), its not only abrahmaic thing to follow one god.
mira bai was only worship krishna, hanuman ji only worship ram ji...do any one hv any problem with them?? logically if u think, if all gods r different roops of one brahm/ishwar. it doesnt matter, either u only worship one god or many different god.
u also know western leave their pegan culture long before. if u hv to include them in hinduism, u need a one god/medium. krishna fit in this category. honestly tell me who is much better for us...a person who only follow/worship krishna or a person who follow abrahamic culture? why dont u guys understand in this world multi god religion like hinduism is very hard to spread. no wonder why abrahmaic nd buddhism spread all around world. most people dont like complex religion like hinduism. so its better to introduce them one part of hinduism. if u think krishna isnt part of hinduism, then i cant say anything. ISCON devotees dont said other gods r demigods. but they said krishna is brahm nd all other gods r their different roops. so its not necessary to worship all of them, instead focus in krishna worshipping. again as a hindu, we dont hv to make any objection about it. coz krishna said that in geeta. u cant say krishna was telling lie.
about business. this is material world. u cant do anything without money. its not illegal or sin money.
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Whoever is initiated into Hindu Religion must be told that it does not matter who they worship as all are abstract of the one God.

When done in such a way it becomes hard to sell it to foreign folks who don't understand and don't want to understand. ISKCON being a opportunist here does not try to explain them and runs with this theory of a one supreme being that is "Krishna" in parallel to "Jessus".

This would still all be cool if this does not result in villainizing of Shivaites and their practices, but it's not the case.
I don't think all iskconites belive in the same, specially not Indian ones but this idea might be carried by some top iskcon folks.

Still ISKCON is doing good overall good for us.
 
vin pahadi (kumauni) said:
do shiva anywhere said he is brahm nd his worshipping lead to moksha?
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bhai chhota baccha hai ke? sab form bolte hain ki i can take you to moksha. all the devi devatas. either ganesha or shiva or shakti or kartikeya. its just that you know about mahabharat where krishna ji said this. in shaiva agamas shiva ji has said that he can take you to not only mukti from janm maran i moksha but he can make you or convert you into shiva himself or one of his ganas.

meanwhile white iskcon abrahmic businessmen -
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iskcon is insulting sanatan dharma every second, vrindavan and puri vaishnavites hate iskcon cult, coz they know iskcon is trying hard to look like mainstream vaishnava path but they aint
 
Suryavanshi said:
Whoever is initiated into Hindu Religion must be told that it does not matter who they worship as all are abstract of the one God.

When done in such a way it becomes hard to sell it to foreign folks who don't understand and don't want to understand. ISKCON being a opportunist here does not try to explain them and runs with this theory of a one supreme being that is "Krishna" in parallel to "Jessus".

This would still all be cool if this does not result in villainizing of Shivaites and their practices, but it's not the case.
I don't think all iskconites belive in the same, specially not Indian ones but this idea might be carried by some top iskcon folks.

Still ISKCON is doing good overall good for us.
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If iscons focuses in converting hindus in ISCON member...then u can say they r villainizing shivaites or others nd their practices. most hindus dont need to join ISCON to worship krishna. only ISCON is doing small work in converting foreigners. In india arya samaj is converting small number of abrahamic converts.
But many hindus r criticizing these two. why iscon is only preaching krishna nd why arya samaj is preaching to follow vedas. if these hindus hv problem with these two, why dont they starting to convert others with their full or real hinduism??? they do nothing, neither anyone follow them😂.
 
vin pahadi (kumauni) said:
If iscons focuses in converting hindus in ISCON member...then u can say they r villainizing shivaites or others nd their practices. most hindus dont need to join ISCON to worship krishna. only ISCON is doing small work in converting foreigners. In india arya samaj is converting small number of abrahamic converts.
But many hindus r criticizing these two. why iscon is only preaching krishna nd why arya samaj is preaching to follow vedas. if these hindus hv problem with these two, why dont they starting to convert others with their full or real hinduism??? they do nothing, neither anyone follow them😂.
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Exactly the biggest enemies of hinduism are hindus themselves
We don't have any structure and any authority to run missionaries in every damn nation
 
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