Idiotic Musings from the West (10 Viewers)

[liberalredditor]

If iscons focuses in converting hindus in ISCON member...then u can say they r villainizing shivaites or others nd their practices. most hindus dont need to join ISCON to worship krishna. only ISCON is doing small work in converting foreigners. In india arya samaj is converting small number of abrahamic converts.
But many hindus r criticizing these two. why iscon is only preaching krishna nd why arya samaj is preaching to follow vedas. if these hindus hv problem with these two, why dont they starting to convert others with their full or real hinduism??? they do nothing, neither anyone follow them.

iskcon is converting in india??? where, which iskcon is doing this? i will go and donate to them

but all they do in india is shiva vishnu bheda and then we talk about ek hain to safe hain

 

[liberalredditor]

Exactly the biggest enemies of hinduism are hindus themselves
We don't have any structure and any authority to run missionaries in every damn nation

missionaries have taken over iskcon

 

[The Juggernaut]

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[Suryavanshi]

If iscons focuses in converting hindus in ISCON member...then u can say they r villainizing shivaites or others nd their practices. most hindus dont need to join ISCON to worship krishna. only ISCON is doing small work in converting foreigners. In india arya samaj is converting small number of abrahamic converts.
But many hindus r criticizing these two. why iscon is only preaching krishna nd why arya samaj is preaching to follow vedas. if these hindus hv problem with these two, why dont they starting to convert others with their full or real hinduism??? they do nothing, neither anyone follow them.

It's all fine. I have nothing against ISKCON. I am certain that whatever zombies ISKCON do cook some let's say 5 to 10% will eventually repsect all forms of Hinduism.
What's needed to be said must be said. We don't want to end up In a situation where two hondu sects start fighting. Focus should be on converting the abrahmics.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

bhai chhota baccha hai ke? sab form bolte hain ki i can take you to moksha. all the devi devatas. either ganesha or shiva or shakti or kartikeya. its just that you know about mahabharat where krishna ji said this. in shaiva agamas shiva ji has said that he can take you to not only mukti from janm maran i moksha but he can make you or convert you into shiva himself or one of his ganas.

meanwhile white iskcon abrahmic businessmen -
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iskcon is insulting sanatan dharma every second, vrindavan and puri vaishnavites hate iskcon cult, coz they know iskcon is trying hard to look like mainstream vaishnava path but they aint

okkk...pehli baat to sabhi hindu god nhi bolte ki unhe worship kroge to moksa milega. agr shiva ne bola hai to, unke bhakt follow kr rahe unhe. jese krishna ne bola hai, isliye unke bhakt follow kr rahe. mene pehle hi bola tha ki hinduism me sirf ek truth nhi hota, but bhut saare truth bhi ho sakte hai. problem unko hoti hai, jo bolte hai bus humara hi sahi hai. personally mujhe to kisi se problem nhi. even mai to khud tribal hu, hum to additionally tantric nd nature worshipping ko bhi mante hai.
bhai tum simple sa logic bhi nhi samjh rahe krishna ko jesus ka father bolne ki. bhai krishna ne bola hai ki sab kuch usme nihit. even agr tum kisi or ki pooja karo, vo bhi tum meri hi pooja kr rahe. ab tum krishna ki baat pe bharosa nhi krte to kya bol sakte hai. mai to har god ke bol ko manta hu, tabhi bol raha kai truth ho sakte hai. west me jesus ko god ka beta bola jaata hai. ISCON wale bolte hai, agr jesus god ka beta hai, to god to krishna hai. so jesus ko chhodo nd krishna ki pooja karo. ye to ISCON ki strategy hai, isse hinduwo ko kya fark padta hai??? kya ISCON wale ye india me hinduwo ko bata rahe, ya ye western logo ke liye hai. coz jo hindus hai unhe pata hai krishna awatar the nd unke putra pradyumna nd samba the.
ab tum ye bologe ki ISCON jhoot bol rahe. bhai krishna ne kai aise kaam kiye, jishe tum bol sakte ho ki chal kapat se kiye. like dronacharya ki sath yudha me sankh bajana, duryodhan ke sath yudh me bheem ko uska paaw ko cheer dena, ram ji ka baali ko chup ke maarna, mohni ban ke devta me amrit pilana etc. jab bhagwan Dharm ke liye aese kaam kr sakte hai...ISCON wale to kalyug ke insaan hai. unhone kr diya to kaun sa badi baat.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

iskcon is converting in india??? where, which iskcon is doing this? i will go and donate to them

but all they do in india is shiva vishnu bheda and then we talk about ek hain to safe hain

i said iscon is converting foreigners...india me thoda sa conversion arya samaj kr raha. ISCON free me geeta jarur baat raha india nd different countries me.

 

[Adibot]

i said iscon is converting foreigners...india me thoda sa conversion arya samaj kr raha. ISCON free me geeta jarur baat raha india nd different countries me.

Nobody is stopping conversions and doing reconversions in india
Gharvapasi is not being done on massive scale neither in india nor abroad

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

bhai chhota baccha hai ke? sab form bolte hain ki i can take you to moksha. all the devi devatas. either ganesha or shiva or shakti or kartikeya. its just that you know about mahabharat where krishna ji said this. in shaiva agamas shiva ji has said that he can take you to not only mukti from janm maran i moksha but he can make you or convert you into shiva himself or one of his ganas.

meanwhile white iskcon abrahmic businessmen -
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iskcon is insulting sanatan dharma every second, vrindavan and puri vaishnavites hate iskcon cult, coz they know iskcon is trying hard to look like mainstream vaishnava path but they aint

bro...kya tum mujhe bata sakte ho ki kisko shivaji ne bola hai ki agr tum unki pooja kroge to ve na sirf moksa de denge, balki unke ganas bhi bana denge.
i mean coz jitne bhi karmkand etc bataye jaate hai different hindu gods ke, vo to rishi, muni nd brahman etc hi batate hai. like hanuman ji ko bolte hai ki unhe lal sindoor nd sarso ka tel chadate hai tuesday ko. ye baat hanuman ji ne to nhi boli kahi pe. unhone to kahi pe bhi nhi bola ki tum meri worship karo. ye to hum insaano ne karmkand banaye hai ki unhe kese pooja jana hai.
but krishna ji ne arjun ko bola tha ki unki pooja krne se moksha milta hai.
so jo tum shiva ki pooja krne se moksha etc milta hai, ve shiva ne kisi ko bola hai. ya ye rishi nd brahman etc ne bataya hai??
khud batana nd kisi dusre ke batane me difference hota hai.

 

[liberalredditor]

ISCON free me geeta jarur baat raha india nd different countries me.

free me lelo par 1k ka donation zarur karo fir, wah kya free hai. and iskcon geeta would be the last thing one should read.

gita press gorakhpur and chaukhamba surbharti varanasi >>>>>>>>>>
true authenticity of texts and scriptures

 

[liberalredditor]

bro...kya tum mujhe bata sakte ho ki kisko shivaji ne bola hai ki agr tum unki pooja kroge to ve na sirf moksa de denge, balki unke ganas bhi bana denge.
i mean coz jitne bhi karmkand etc bataye jaate hai different hindu gods ke, vo to rishi, muni nd brahman etc hi batate hai. like hanuman ji ko bolte hai ki unhe lal sindoor nd sarso ka tel chadate hai tuesday ko. ye baat hanuman ji ne to nhi boli kahi pe. unhone to kahi pe bhi nhi bola ki tum meri worship karo. ye to hum insaano ne karmkand banaye hai ki unhe kese pooja jana hai.
but krishna ji ne arjun ko bola tha ki unki pooja krne se moksha milta hai.
so jo tum shiva ki pooja krne se moksha etc milta hai, ve shiva ne kisi ko bola hai. ya ye rishi nd brahman etc ne bataya hai??
khud batana nd kisi dusre ke batane me difference hota hai.

are bhai ab kisi bhi agamas me padh lo, shiva ya fir shakti sadhana moksh bhi deta hai aur agar advanced sadhana ki to siddha ki tarah bhagwan se ek bhi ho sakte hain

aur jahan tak baat hui karmkaand kisne bataya hai, fir to mat kar koi bhi pooja paath, kisne check kiya hai ki og mahabharat me kya hua aur ganeshji ne kya likha ya fir ved vyas ne kya bataya, mahan rishis take avatars and guide us regularly, i believe the siddhas who give us sadhana methods, and effect is visible

 

[abdus salem killed]

Always the white gay couples.

It's whites no gays stop segregating them

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

free me lelo par 1k ka donation zarur karo fir, wah kya free hai. and iskcon geeta would be the last thing one should read.

gita press gorakhpur and chaukhamba surbharti varanasi >>>>>>>>>>
true authenticity of texts and scriptures

lol...bhai free hota hai ISCON ki geeta. agr 1000 rupee donation dene padte to koi leta bhi nhi. amazon me 138 rupee me mil raha geeta press ka geeta.
bhai baat yaha pe authencity ki nhi ho rahi. kuch log geeta press ki different books ko bhi critisize krte hai. coz ve baad me milawat kiye gaye part ko bhi include kiye rehte hai, jo critical edition me hota bhi nhi.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

are bhai ab kisi bhi agamas me padh lo, shiva ya fir shakti sadhana moksh bhi deta hai aur agar advanced sadhana ki to siddha ki tarah bhagwan se ek bhi ho sakte hain

aur jahan tak baat hui karmkaand kisne bataya hai, fir to mat kar koi bhi pooja paath, kisne check kiya hai ki og mahabharat me kya hua aur ganeshji ne kya likha ya fir ved vyas ne kya bataya, mahan rishis take avatars and guide us regularly, i believe the siddhas who give us sadhana methods, and effect is visible

bro...mai puch raha tha ki agamas me kya shivji ne khud kisi ko quote kiya hai ki agr tum meri worship kroge to tumhe ye benefit milega. but tumhre paas aisa koi proof nhi. iska matlab hai ki ye baate kisi rishi/brahman/muni etc ne likhi hai.
second thing, mahabharat ka ankho dekha sanjay ne sunaya tha dhitrastra ko. iske alawa bola jaata hai ki kakbhushundi ne bhi mahabharat ko kai baar dekha tha. mahabharat banaya tha ved vyas ji ne, jinhe vese hi diyadrishti wala mana jaata hai. sath me mahabharat ko likha tha ganesha ji ne. so tum ye objection nhi kr sakte ki usme kisne mahabharat ke time ko dekha tha nd unhone ek dusre ko kya bola. coz fir tum vedvyas nd ganesha ji ko jhoota bata rahe.
now ab baat hoti hai ki karmkanda nd books me likhe cheezo ko manne ki. bhai hum to dono ko mante hai, but agr kisi granth me koi bhi bhagwan khud ko sabse upar bata rahe, like krishna did in mahabharat. to bhai hum ushe jhoot bhi nhi bolenge. or ushe sabse upar rakhenge. iska matlab ye nhi ki mai ye bol raha ki other bhagwan se moksya etc nhi milta. mai ye bol raha ki unhone mention nhi kiya hai. coz hum log har baat ko hindu dharam me grantho me nhi likhte. so yes other bhagwans ke worship se bhi mokshya milta hai, but unhone khud bola nhi.
ab ISCON wale bhagwan krishna ke bole gaye words ko le ke chal rahe to isme koi galat baat nhi. iska matlab ye hai ki ve ek truth ko le ke chal rahe, although kai saare different truth also exist krte hai. ya to fir tumko bolna padega ki mahabharat me vedvyas nd ganesha ji galat likh ke gaye hai. nd krishna ne khud ko brahm nhi batya hai.

 

[liberalredditor]

lol...bhai free hota hai ISCON ki geeta. agr 1000 rupee donation dene padte to koi leta bhi nhi. amazon me 138 rupee me mil raha geeta press ka geeta.
bhai baat yaha pe authencity ki nhi ho rahi. kuch log geeta press ki different books ko bhi critisize krte hai. coz ve baad me milawat kiye gaye part ko bhi include kiye rehte hai, jo critical edition me hota bhi nhi.

Gita press ke vaishnava texts untouched hain, haan wo shaiva aur shakta texts se main agree nahi karunga
Par at the end gita press >>>> iskcon "as it is"

 

[liberalredditor]

bro...mai puch raha tha ki agamas me kya shivji ne khud kisi ko quote kiya hai ki agr tum meri worship kroge to tumhe ye benefit milega. but tumhre paas aisa koi proof nhi. iska matlab hai ki ye baate kisi rishi/brahman/muni etc ne likhi hai.

Are thik hai bhai, vaishnava >>> shaiva
Bada hi idiotic comment kar rahe ho ki kahan kaha hai, har agama ke starting me hi sadhana phal aur sab bataya jata hai, mere undersignature me jo shloka likha hai wo kularnava ka hai jo mahadev mata parvati ko suna rahe the. Agar aur proof chahiye ki kya moksha milega ya kya milega to archive.org par kularnava tantra padh lo. Ye to supreme hai iske aage kuchh nahi. Baaki vigyana bhairav tantra hai, tantraloka, tantrashastra by abhinavgupta of kashmir shaiva philosophy
Proof dene main nahi baithunga, search karlo archive par

 

[liberalredditor]

I would like to appologise to mods that i derailed the thread, i accept as many belt lashes as the respected admins and mods would give me as part of the punishment

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Are thik hai bhai, vaishnava >>> shaiva
Bada hi idiotic comment kar rahe ho ki kahan kaha hai, har agama ke starting me hi sadhana phal aur sab bataya jata hai, mere undersignature me jo shloka likha hai wo kularnava ka hai jo mahadev mata parvati ko suna rahe the. Agar aur proof chahiye ki kya moksha milega ya kya milega to archive.org par kularnava tantra padh lo. Ye to supreme hai iske aage kuchh nahi. Baaki vigyana bhairav tantra hai, tantraloka, tantrashastra by abhinavgupta of kashmir shaiva philosophy
Proof dene main nahi baithunga, search karlo archive par

okk thnx. mein to sabko equal manta hu, ek hi brahm ka roop. mene nhi padhe hai agamas etc, isliye puch raha tha ki shivji ne khud bola hai kisi ko. coz most hindu gods ne aisa khud nhi bola hai. ab tumne bata diya, so mai krishna ke sath shivji ko bhi add kr leta hu apne knowledge me ki unhone khud ye baate boli hai.
tum bhi smjho bro...ki ISCON wale krishna ji ke bole gaye words ko le ke chal rahe. iska matlab ye nhi ki ve shivji ko reject kr rahe. ve ek truth ko accept kr rahe nd baaki truth ko chhod rahe. baat yaha ve vahi ho jayegi ki bhut se different ways se ek raste ko chunna...or aisa krna allowed hai hinduism me.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

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[spindrift]

bhai chhota baccha hai ke? sab form bolte hain ki i can take you to moksha. all the devi devatas. either ganesha or shiva or shakti or kartikeya. its just that you know about mahabharat where krishna ji said this. in shaiva agamas shiva ji has said that he can take you to not only mukti from janm maran i moksha but he can make you or convert you into shiva himself or one of his ganas.

meanwhile white iskcon abrahmic businessmen -
View attachment 40333
View attachment 40335

iskcon is insulting sanatan dharma every second, vrindavan and puri vaishnavites hate iskcon cult, coz they know iskcon is trying hard to look like mainstream vaishnava path but they aint

It looks like the chaps at ISKCON are smoking some really potent stuff.