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Hi guys,

We can discuss indian tourist destinations, infrastructure and news in this thread.

Visited Malshej ghat this weekend , beautiful and scenic weekend destination from Mumbai ( must visit in monsoon). Roads are bit problematic though specially Kalyan Murbad road .
 
Not sure where else to put this. Thai biker tourists express their( very friendly) feelings toward India

 

lol...why they hv to use kumauni uttarakhandi song in a himanchal beautiful destination video😂. not saying they cant use uttarakhandi song, but himanchal hv themself many beautiful himanchali songs. just in case we r seeing many himanchali r using uttarakhand "devbhoomi" name for himanchal also now a days😂. i mean why not use some other name like as:- devsthal bhoomi, deviyabhoomi, divyasthal etc etc.
 
lol...why they hv to use kumauni uttarakhandi song in a himanchal beautiful destination video😂. not saying they cant use uttarakhandi song, but himanchal hv themself many beautiful himanchali songs. just in case we r seeing many himanchali r using uttarakhand "devbhoomi" name for himanchal also now a days😂. i mean why not use some other name like as:- devsthal bhoomi, deviyabhoomi, divyasthal etc etc.
Himachal has been using devbhoomi for itself even before uttarakhand was born. And Kinnaur region which borders uttarakhand share culture, relations, trade across.

By the way video is by a pvt individual not govt.
 
Himachal has been using devbhoomi for itself even before uttarakhand was born. And Kinnaur region which borders uttarakhand share culture, relations, trade across.

By the way video is by a pvt individual not govt.
yes himanchal use devbhoomi word in 1971, coz uttarakhand itself made in 2000. before that in uttarakhand people didnt care🥺 about their own identity from uttarpradesh.
but i m talking this reference from skanda puran. although whole himalayan is consider holy place. but in uttarakhand case this region is known by kedarkhand (gadhwal) nd manaskhand (kumaun). can u show us anything mention about himanchal in our holy books????

the land from Haridwar to Mansarovar was divided into two parts 'Kedarkhand' and 'Manaskhand', whose boundary is considered to be from Tons (Tamsa river) in the west to Kali (Sharda) river in the east. In the course of time, two big states, Garhwal and Kumaon emerged, succeeding Kedarkhand and Manaskhand. Although the names of Kedarkhand and Manaskhand were prevalent till the Mahabharata period, however, during this period the Kedarkhand and Manaskhand came under the same king Virat. It is to be known that even during the time of Vaishnavas, this entire region was governed by the same administrative system. Due to which it was called as Narayani Kshetra or Devbhoomi. After the rule of Matsyaraj, Maharaja Virat, Kedarkhand and Manaskhand came to be known jointly by the same name Uttarakhand.
 
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Devbhhomi title is not only used by HP, UK but also by Kerala. Each side has vedic references. Well whole India is land where God himself took form and walked length and breadth ofnthe country in various avatars. The whole country is sacred divine Dev bhoomi. But since you asked about Himachal, Himachal is place to many holy sites with many shaktipeeths and other important vedic places. Here is reading from chat, websites collated together manually-

Himachal Pradesh has deep-rooted connections with the Vedic period, prehistoric times, and the epic narratives of the Ramayana and Mahabharata. The region, part of the western Himalayas, has been traditionally known as “Dev Bhoomi” (Land of the Gods) due to its strong association with sages (Rishis), ancient spiritual practices, and mythological events.
Here’s a detailed overview of the Vedic and mythological significance of Himachal Pradesh, supported by references from scriptures, archaeology, and tradition:

🕉️ 1. Prehistoric and Protohistoric Himachal

  • Archaeological Evidence:
    • Sites in the Kullu, Mandi, Bilaspur, and Kangra districts have yielded tools and artifacts from the Mesolithic and Neolithic periods.
    • Pong Dam Reservoir (Kangra) has shown Paleolithic settlements.
    • This suggests continuous human habitation since prehistoric times, possibly by tribes mentioned in early Vedic texts like the Dasas and Nishadas.
    • Archaeological evidence suggests human presence in Himachal Pradesh, India, dating back about 2 million years, with the earliest settlements in the foothills of the Himalayas. The Paleolithic and Mesolithic periods saw the use of stone tools and early human activity, with evidence found in areas like Bangana and Sirsa valleys. Later, the Indus Valley Civilization, which flourished between 2250 and 1750 BCE, pushed the original inhabitants of the Ganga plains, known as the Kolorian people, towards the hills of Himachal Pradesh.

Reference:​

  • Sharma, B.D. “Prehistoric Himachal” – Himachal State Museum Bulletin.2
  • ASI excavation reports on Guler and Bangana.

📜 2. Vedic Period and Rishi Tradition

Himachal Pradesh is considered a sacred region in the Vedas and later scriptures due to its connection with numerous Rishis (sages) who performed tapasya (penance) here.

Notable Rishis and Their Tapobhoomi:​

  • Rishi Vashishta:
    • Associated with Vashisht Kund near Manali (Vashishta village).
    • Said to have meditated here after renouncing royal life.
    • Vashishta Gufa is considered a sacred place.
  • Rishi Parashara:
    • Father of Ved Vyasa (author of Mahabharata).
    • Believed to have lived near Parashar Lake (Mandi district).
    • The lake and temple are dedicated to him.
  • Rishi Vyasa (Ved Vyasa):
    • Born to Rishi Parashara and Satyavati.
    • As per local tradition, stayed in the Beas valley (which derives its name from Vyasa → Beas).
  • Markandeya Rishi:
    • Mentioned in the Mahabharata and Puranas.
    • Said to have meditated at Markandeya Parvat, near Bilaspur.
  • Lomas Rishi:
    • Believed to have meditated at Lomas Rishi Cave near Manikaran.

References:​

  • Rigveda, Mandala 10: Contains hymns attributed to Vashishta.
  • Skanda Purana, Markandeya Purana.
  • Himachal Gazetteers and folk oral traditions.

📖 3. Ramayana Connections

  • Lord Rama’s Journey:
    • While Ramayana doesn't directly mention modern-day Himachal, oral traditions claim Lord Rama passed through Chamba and Kullu regions during his exile.
  • Rishi Shringi:
    • His ashram is believed to be in Banjar Valley (Kullu).
    • He performed the Putrakameshti Yagna for King Dasharatha, leading to Rama's birth.
  • Hanuman:
    • Local beliefs say Hanuman brought the Sanjeevani herb from the Dronagiri ranges, which may include parts of present-day Chamba/Lahaul–Spiti as he flew across the Himalayas.

Reference:​

  • Valmiki Ramayana, Balakanda and Yuddhakanda.
  • Regional folklore and temple legends of Kullu and Chamba.

⚔️ 4. Mahabharata Connection


  • Pandavas’ Exile and Wanderings:

    • According to legends and local traditions:
      • Pandavas stayed in Sirmaur, Chamba, and Kullu during their exile.
      • Caves and temples in these areas are said to be linked to their travels.
  • Hidimba Devi:
    • Kullu Valley was home to Hidimba, a Rakshasi who married Bhima.
    • Hidimba Temple in Manali is dedicated to her.
    • Their son Ghatotkacha was born here.
  • Arjuna and Kirat Battle:
    • Local traditions associate Arjuna’s battle with Lord Shiva (as a Kirata) with Kinnaur region.

References:​

  • Mahabharata, Vanaparva (Book of the Forest).
  • Local folk epics (e.g., Pandav Nritya in Kullu).

🕍 5. Sacred Geography and Mythical Sites

SiteAssociation
Manikaran (Kullu)Sought by Shiva and Parvati; known for natural hot springs
Parashar Lake (Mandi)Sage Parashara meditated here; temple dates to 13th century
Renuka Lake (Sirmaur)Associated with Renuka Devi, mother of Parashurama
Churdhar Peak (Sirmaur)Associated with Shiva and Bhima
Hatkoti (Shimla)Shaktipeeth of Goddess Durga; mentions in Devi Mahatmya

6. Vedic Rivers of Himachal Pradesh: Overview with References


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1. Sarasvati River (Vedic Name: Sarasvatī)

📜 Vedic Reference:
Rigveda 6.61.8 — “Ambitame Nadītame Devītame Sarasvati” ("Best of mothers, rivers, and goddesses").

🏞️ Origin & Location:
Believed to rise from the Shivalik Hills, near Adi Badri, at the border of Himachal Pradesh and Haryana.

🗺️ Himachal Connection:
Early tributaries and flow paths pass through southern Himachal.


2. Sutlej River (Vedic Name: Sutudrī)

📜 Vedic Reference:
Rigveda 10.75.19 — cited among sacred rivers.


🏞️ Modern Name: Sutlej
Originates near Rakshastal, close to Mount Kailash.


🗺️ Himachal Connection:
Flows through Kinnaur, Shimla, Bilaspur, and Mandi districts.

🌄 Historical Importance:
One of the Sapta Sindhu rivers, crucial in Vedic geography.

3. Beas River (Vedic Name: Vipāś)

📜 Vedic Reference:
Mentioned in Rigveda 7.18.12 as Vipāś, a swift and nourishing river.

🏞️ Source:
Beas Kund near Rohtang Pass, Himachal Pradesh.

🗺️ Himachal Connection:
Flows through Kullu Valley.

🌊 Cultural Significance:
Important for Vedic Aryan settlements in the region.


4. Ravi River (Vedic Name: Paruṣṇī)

📜 Vedic Reference:
Called Paruṣṇī in Rigveda 10.75.9.

🏞️ Source:
Originates in Chamba district, Himachal Pradesh.

🗺️ Himachal Connection:
Flows through Chamba and Kangra districts.

🌿 Significance:
One of Punjab’s five rivers, vital to Vedic culture.


5. Chenab River or ChandraBhag river (Vedic Name: Asiknī)

📜 Vedic Reference:
Known as Asiknī in Rigveda 10.75.8, meaning "dark-colored."

🏞️ Source:
Formed by confluence of Chandra and Bhaga rivers in Lahaul and Spiti, Himachal Pradesh.

🗺️ Himachal Connection:
Tributaries arise in Himachal’s high mountains before flowing into Jammu & Kashmir.

🌊 Importance:
Part of the ancient northern river system in Vedic geography.


📚 Suggested Readings & Sources:​

  1. Himachal Pradesh: History, Culture & Economy – S.R. Bakshi
  2. Himachal Pradesh District Gazetteers – Govt. of India publications
  3. Sacred Complex of Himachal – R.C. Dogra
  4. Skanda Purana (Kedar Khand) – Describes sacred Himalayan tirthas
  5. Mahabharata (Vanaparva, Adiparva) – Translations by Kisari Mohan Ganguli
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Devbhhomi title is not only used by HP, UK but also by Kerala. Each side has vedic references. Well whole India is land where God himself took form and walked length and breadth ofnthe country in various avatars. The whole country is sacred divine Dev bhoomi. But since you asked about Himachal, Himachal is place to many holy sites with many shaktipeeths and other important vedic places. Here is reading from chat, websites collated together manually-

Himachal Pradesh has deep-rooted connections with the Vedic period, prehistoric times, and the epic narratives of the Ramayana and Mahabharata. The region, part of the western Himalayas, has been traditionally known as “Dev Bhoomi” (Land of the Gods) due to its strong association with sages (Rishis), ancient spiritual practices, and mythological events.
Here’s a detailed overview of the Vedic and mythological significance of Himachal Pradesh, supported by references from scriptures, archaeology, and tradition:

🕉️ 1. Prehistoric and Protohistoric Himachal

  • Archaeological Evidence:
    • Sites in the Kullu, Mandi, Bilaspur, and Kangra districts have yielded tools and artifacts from the Mesolithic and Neolithic periods.
    • Pong Dam Reservoir (Kangra) has shown Paleolithic settlements.
    • This suggests continuous human habitation since prehistoric times, possibly by tribes mentioned in early Vedic texts like the Dasas and Nishadas.
    • Archaeological evidence suggests human presence in Himachal Pradesh, India, dating back about 2 million years, with the earliest settlements in the foothills of the Himalayas. The Paleolithic and Mesolithic periods saw the use of stone tools and early human activity, with evidence found in areas like Bangana and Sirsa valleys. Later, the Indus Valley Civilization, which flourished between 2250 and 1750 BCE, pushed the original inhabitants of the Ganga plains, known as the Kolorian people, towards the hills of Himachal Pradesh.

Reference:​

  • Sharma, B.D. “Prehistoric Himachal” – Himachal State Museum Bulletin.2
  • ASI excavation reports on Guler and Bangana.

📜 2. Vedic Period and Rishi Tradition

Himachal Pradesh is considered a sacred region in the Vedas and later scriptures due to its connection with numerous Rishis (sages) who performed tapasya (penance) here.

Notable Rishis and Their Tapobhoomi:​

  • Rishi Vashishta:
    • Associated with Vashisht Kund near Manali (Vashishta village).
    • Said to have meditated here after renouncing royal life.
    • Vashishta Gufa is considered a sacred place.
  • Rishi Parashara:
    • Father of Ved Vyasa (author of Mahabharata).
    • Believed to have lived near Parashar Lake (Mandi district).
    • The lake and temple are dedicated to him.
  • Rishi Vyasa (Ved Vyasa):
    • Born to Rishi Parashara and Satyavati.
    • As per local tradition, stayed in the Beas valley (which derives its name from Vyasa → Beas).
  • Markandeya Rishi:
    • Mentioned in the Mahabharata and Puranas.
    • Said to have meditated at Markandeya Parvat, near Bilaspur.
  • Lomas Rishi:
    • Believed to have meditated at Lomas Rishi Cave near Manikaran.

References:​

  • Rigveda, Mandala 10: Contains hymns attributed to Vashishta.
  • Skanda Purana, Markandeya Purana.
  • Himachal Gazetteers and folk oral traditions.

📖 3. Ramayana Connections

  • Lord Rama’s Journey:
    • While Ramayana doesn't directly mention modern-day Himachal, oral traditions claim Lord Rama passed through Chamba and Kullu regions during his exile.
  • Rishi Shringi:
    • His ashram is believed to be in Banjar Valley (Kullu).
    • He performed the Putrakameshti Yagna for King Dasharatha, leading to Rama's birth.
  • Hanuman:
    • Local beliefs say Hanuman brought the Sanjeevani herb from the Dronagiri ranges, which may include parts of present-day Chamba/Lahaul–Spiti as he flew across the Himalayas.

Reference:​

  • Valmiki Ramayana, Balakanda and Yuddhakanda.
  • Regional folklore and temple legends of Kullu and Chamba.

⚔️ 4. Mahabharata Connection


  • Pandavas’ Exile and Wanderings:

    • According to legends and local traditions:
      • Pandavas stayed in Sirmaur, Chamba, and Kullu during their exile.
      • Caves and temples in these areas are said to be linked to their travels.
  • Hidimba Devi:
    • Kullu Valley was home to Hidimba, a Rakshasi who married Bhima.
    • Hidimba Temple in Manali is dedicated to her.
    • Their son Ghatotkacha was born here.
  • Arjuna and Kirat Battle:
    • Local traditions associate Arjuna’s battle with Lord Shiva (as a Kirata) with Kinnaur region.

References:​

  • Mahabharata, Vanaparva (Book of the Forest).
  • Local folk epics (e.g., Pandav Nritya in Kullu).

🕍 5. Sacred Geography and Mythical Sites

SiteAssociation
Manikaran (Kullu)Sought by Shiva and Parvati; known for natural hot springs
Parashar Lake (Mandi)Sage Parashara meditated here; temple dates to 13th century
Renuka Lake (Sirmaur)Associated with Renuka Devi, mother of Parashurama
Churdhar Peak (Sirmaur)Associated with Shiva and Bhima
Hatkoti (Shimla)Shaktipeeth of Goddess Durga; mentions in Devi Mahatmya

6. Vedic Rivers of Himachal Pradesh: Overview with References


---

1. Sarasvati River (Vedic Name: Sarasvatī)

📜 Vedic Reference:
Rigveda 6.61.8 — “Ambitame Nadītame Devītame Sarasvati” ("Best of mothers, rivers, and goddesses").

🏞️ Origin & Location:
Believed to rise from the Shivalik Hills, near Adi Badri, at the border of Himachal Pradesh and Haryana.

🗺️ Himachal Connection:
Early tributaries and flow paths pass through southern Himachal.


2. Sutlej River (Vedic Name: Sutudrī)

📜 Vedic Reference:
Rigveda 10.75.19 — cited among sacred rivers.


🏞️ Modern Name: Sutlej
Originates near Rakshastal, close to Mount Kailash.


🗺️ Himachal Connection:
Flows through Kinnaur, Shimla, Bilaspur, and Mandi districts.

🌄 Historical Importance:
One of the Sapta Sindhu rivers, crucial in Vedic geography.

3. Beas River (Vedic Name: Vipāś)

📜 Vedic Reference:
Mentioned in Rigveda 7.18.12 as Vipāś, a swift and nourishing river.

🏞️ Source:
Beas Kund near Rohtang Pass, Himachal Pradesh.

🗺️ Himachal Connection:
Flows through Kullu Valley.

🌊 Cultural Significance:
Important for Vedic Aryan settlements in the region.


4. Ravi River (Vedic Name: Paruṣṇī)

📜 Vedic Reference:
Called Paruṣṇī in Rigveda 10.75.9.

🏞️ Source:
Originates in Chamba district, Himachal Pradesh.

🗺️ Himachal Connection:
Flows through Chamba and Kangra districts.

🌿 Significance:
One of Punjab’s five rivers, vital to Vedic culture.


5. Chenab River or ChandraBhag river (Vedic Name: Asiknī)

📜 Vedic Reference:
Known as Asiknī in Rigveda 10.75.8, meaning "dark-colored."

🏞️ Source:
Formed by confluence of Chandra and Bhaga rivers in Lahaul and Spiti, Himachal Pradesh.

🗺️ Himachal Connection:
Tributaries arise in Himachal’s high mountains before flowing into Jammu & Kashmir.

🌊 Importance:
Part of the ancient northern river system in Vedic geography.


📚 Suggested Readings & Sources:​

  1. Himachal Pradesh: History, Culture & Economy – S.R. Bakshi
  2. Himachal Pradesh District Gazetteers – Govt. of India publications
  3. Sacred Complex of Himachal – R.C. Dogra
  4. Skanda Purana (Kedar Khand) – Describes sacred Himalayan tirthas
  5. Mahabharata (Vanaparva, Adiparva) – Translations by Kisari Mohan Ganguli
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bro just like u said, whole india hv many reference filled with vedic, puranic, historic facts.... discussion here isnt about that. we r discussing who hv "devbhoomi" name before. kerala is known for "gods own country/land".....i showed u that in skanda purana uttarakhand is devided into manaskhand nd kedarkhand. that place is known as devbhoomi. i m asking u that u show me any discription of himanchal, where they called devbhoomi.

look in mahabharat people of Himalayas is consider "kirati" people. but now days no one present in india who called themself kirati. although some himalayan tribes associated with themself kirati (like us). but tibbetan who attacked in nepal nd ruled there many years. they took themself "kirati" tribe name. so even they may be or not may be associated with kirati tribes of Mahabharata, yet they still called kirati in nepal. same case is with himanchal about devbhoomi name. they took this name earlier (1971) than uttarakhand, but they hv no reference that himanchal was known as devbhoomi before.

if i m going to write uttarakhand importance of Hinduism...every mandir, river, lake, place etc hv stories from different hindu books😂. keep in mind ancient kedarkhand nd manaskhand had areas of tibbet also in it. so kailash parvat, mansarovar lake, rakash lake etc also included in it.
 
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bro just like u said, whole india hv many reference filled with vedic, puranic, historic facts.... discussion here isnt about that. we r discussing who hv "devbhoomi" name before. kerala is known for "gods own country/land".....i showed u that in skanda purana uttarakhand is devided into manaskhand nd kedarkhand. that place is known as devbhoomi. i m asking u that u show me any discription of himanchal, where they called devbhoomi.

look in mahabharat people of Himalayas is consider "kirati" people. but now days no one present in india who called themself kirati. although some himalayan tribes associated with themself kirati (like us). but tibbetan who attacked in nepal nd ruled there many years. they took themself "kirati" tribe name. so even they may be or not may be associated with kirati tribes of Mahabharata, yet they still called kirati in nepal. same case is with himanchal about devbhoomi name. they took this name earlier (1971) than uttarakhand, but they hv no reference that himanchal was known as devbhoomi before.

if i m going to write uttarakhand importance of Hinduism...every mandir, river, lake, place etc hv stories from different hindu books😂. keep in mind ancient kedarkhand nd manaskhand had areas of tibbet also in it. so kailash parvat, mansarovar lake, rakash lake etc also included in it.
@vin pahadi (kumauni) This discussion is moot. As you said reference is from Skanda Purana. But Vedas predate Skanda Purana. The Devbhoomi did not suddenly pop up in 71. Its because that's what tribes living in upper Himachal described their land as they have concept of Living Devtas that they worship and celebrate. And as I showed you important Vedic places, Rishis and entities originated or are associated with region now known as Himachal. And we have many Shaktipeeths like Ma Jwalamukhi, Ma Chintpurni, Ma Baglamukhi, Ma Chamunda devi , Ma Hidimba Devi, Ma Brajreshwari and many more.

Again I am not refuting Uttarakhand claim of being Devbhoomi - its indeed is too. All I am saying HP and UK dont have exclusive rights to it. UP has Ayodhya, Kashi Vishwanath and Mathura - Vrindavan - where Avatars came lived - UP should have more right becoming Brahmbhoomi
 
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