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yes, have been noticing her since she came on the scene last year. her talking points and events she funds in U.S and India reeks of NRI arrogance, in the sense that either she and friends do not see or do not care that some of us can see thru them, that they are trying to replicate british brown saheb model with murican brown saheb model i.e represent murican interests while pretending to care about India.
Look at pakistani nris most of them are kids of pak army corrupt officers and are standing with pakistan but indian nris are just dumb like zohran and mira nayyar.I think india should have filtered the antihindu antiindian folks from going abroad.


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If the true current India's economic power is somewhere like China during 2002-2004, India should focus on the low hanging fruit, like textile, shipbuilding, assembly line industries with enough infra investment.

But let me account how many fancy sectors you are investing:
1. Chips R&D
2. 5 Gen fighters
3. AI R&D
4. now rare earth refinery
5. EV
... ...

The outcome would be none of them would be successful or got delayed and delay. But the relatively "simple" industries like textile and shipbuilding are still nowhere compares to even Bangle or Vietnam.

China invested around 20Billion USD to a single LED maker BOE with 10 yrs. But if your government wants to invest all with few 100s millions of USD each in current stage, you might get none.
Nobody asked for your advice cheng. Kys you communist
 
If the true current India's economic power is somewhere like China during 2002-2004, India should focus on the low hanging fruit, like textile, shipbuilding, assembly line industries with enough infra investment.

But let me account how many fancy sectors you are investing:
1. Chips R&D
2. 5 Gen fighters
3. AI R&D
4. now rare earth refinery
5. EV
... ...

The outcome would be none of them would be successful or got delayed and delay. But the relatively "simple" industries like textile and shipbuilding are still nowhere compares to even Bangle or Vietnam.

China invested around 20Billion USD to a single LED maker BOE with 10 yrs. But if your government wants to invest all with few 100s millions of USD each in current stage, you might get none.
If by the Chinese model you're referring to an unending tap of state subsidies then that model is peculiar only to China . No country has such a model for such a model is unsustainable.

As far as its success in China goes it's too early to talk about it . For starters China achieved most of the success it got in various sectors when the world was a more open place for trade.

That isn't the case today & the world will get more protectionist going ahead. How will that affect the Chinese economy & the case for sustained subsidies going ahead needs bear watching closely .

However in the long term such a model is unsustainable as I pointed out earlier as it is & will be so for China itself. Check for your GDP to debt ratio & the amount of internal debt you've accumulated. Then there's the external debt to be reckoned with.

With the kind of push back you're getting from the US , EU & countries like India where it's going to be even more difficult for Chinese exports into the future what repercussions would it have on the Chinese economy & thereby on the Chinese polity would be very interesting to watch.

Then there's the fact of great helmsman 2.0 is setting his sights on reunification of Taiwan with the mainland by 2030 - another great moment for the Chinese economy undoubtedly.
 
This incentive was always there. They are now just gonna fast track it. It's part of the National Mission for Critical Earth Minerals. I think they even built a rare earth refinery under this programme 1-2 years ago. Issue is lack of any private participation. We need those guys to scale this up further.


Heck according to this article we supposedly export Neodymium to Japan.
More than anything else we lack what I've noticed for years & what the Chinese have made themselves adept at is economic intelligence.

If you look at the sectors China's dominating today , none of them are a result of Chinese innovation per se be it in Solar Panels , Wind Power , EVs , Ship Building etc .

Instead what they've done is identify sectors with future potential , draw up an action plan with a budget & go full steam ahead with extremely agressive timelines such that before entrenched bureaucracies in other countries notice what's happening , it's already become a reality they now have to live with.

That's what they did with renewable power like solar & wind sweeping off all competition to establish a virtual monopoly then used that template to brilliant effect in the EV sector. In between all this you had other sectors like say Ship Building etc.

That in a true sense is Chinese innovation along with the sheer scale at which they do things.
 
If by the Chinese model you're referring to an unending tap of state subsidies then that model is peculiar only to China . No country has such a model for such a model is unsustainable.

As far as its success in China goes it's too early to talk about it . For starters China achieved most of the success it got in various sectors when the world was a more open place for trade.

That isn't the case today & the world will get more protectionist going ahead. How will that affect the Chinese economy & the case for sustained subsidies going ahead needs bear watching closely .

However in the long term such a model is unsustainable as I pointed out earlier as it is & will be so for China itself. Check for your GDP to debt ratio & the amount of internal debt you've accumulated. Then there's the external debt to be reckoned with.

With the kind of push back you're getting from the US , EU & countries like India where it's going to be even more difficult for Chinese exports into the future what repercussions would it have on the Chinese economy & thereby on the Chinese polity would be very interesting to watch.

Then there's the fact of great helmsman 2.0 is setting his sights on reunification of Taiwan with the mainland by 2030 - another great moment for the Chinese economy undoubtedly.
Maybe he isn't aware we are already investing heavily in textile infrastructure, shipbuilding and other logistics infrastructure.

 
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Shouldn't this happen on a free market rather than the govt intervening if certain companies in this case the Big 4 get preferential treatment calls for oligarchy would only grow more

this is similar to what our marxist faux tree huggers used to claim in courts, don't build industry since it will damage the environment . who said so? some gora intellectual said so.

the global big 4 Delloite, E&Y, KPMG , PWC, who became global later, came into being as a result of market interventions by their own governments decades ago. they too came from free market economy, curated by alumni of "ivy league" institutions in US and UK.

so why should India deprive itself an opportunity to create it's own giants, in case you haven't noticed India is now 330 lakh crore economy by GDP, demand for consulting will be huge going forward ,Indian companies will need intellectual property rooted in native data, not copy pasted ideas from gora lands.
 
If the true current India's economic power is somewhere like China during 2002-2004, India should focus on the low hanging fruit, like textile, shipbuilding, assembly line industries with enough infra investment.

But let me account how many fancy sectors you are investing:
1. Chips R&D
2. 5 Gen fighters
3. AI R&D
4. now rare earth refinery
5. EV
... ...

The outcome would be none of them would be successful or got delayed and delay. But the relatively "simple" industries like textile and shipbuilding are still nowhere compares to even Bangle or Vietnam.

China invested around 20Billion USD to a single LED maker BOE with 10 yrs. But if your government wants to invest all with few 100s millions of USD each in current stage, you might get none.

You got to be joking right or subtle racism at play here? Wasn't China already investing in 2000 era technology or at the very least forcing foreign companies to transfer the technology to domestic companies when it was just $1 Trillion economy? Even the rare earth mining China got into it faster than other countries to establish a solid supply chain thereby making manufacturing in China cheaper and attractive for most companies.

Now to the low hanging fruits you are talking about we must focus on, do you know South Korea was given the same advice by World Bank and IMF in the 1960's and 1970s. However, Park Chung Hee threw that advice in dustbin and issued domestic bounds to build infrastructure and big champions like Samsung, LG, Hyundai, etc. India already has textile, ship building, assembly line industries. We don't have it at scale or free trade agreements with big economies like US and EU to take advantage of exporting and scaling up. Having said that let me go through your points.

1) Chips R&D: We are focusing on mature nodes like 28nm and Chip design. This does not require much of incentives. And government gives only 50% project cost if they bring in a reputable technology partner. Tata got this incentive because it brought Taiwan's PSMC as it's partner. Micron is building OSAT plant and they got this incentive as well.

2) 5th Gen fighters: This is a question of national security. What it does have to do with economy?

3)AI R & D: Don't know what you are talking about. I for one believe all the shit people talk about AI is pure hype. Besides AI is vague. Elaborate and be specific by what you mean by "AI R&D".

4)Rare Earth refinery: Did you read the news recently? Your government has banned rare earth magnets which will halt automobile production. In fact, Suzuki already has stopped production. Why should anyone depend on one country for critical minerals?

5) EV: So we shouldn't have EV's now? Does focusing on EV's hurt other aspects of economy?

First support your hypothesis with data and examples. And argue why these things cannot be done before or after.
 
You got to be joking right or subtle racism at play here? Wasn't China already investing in 2000 era technology or at the very least forcing foreign companies to transfer the technology to domestic companies when it was just $1 Trillion economy? Even the rare earth mining China got into it faster than other countries to establish a solid supply chain thereby making manufacturing in China cheaper and attractive for most companies.

Now to the low hanging fruits you are talking about we must focus on, do you know South Korea was given the same advice by World Bank and IMF in the 1960's and 1970s. However, Park Chung Hee threw that advice in dustbin and issued domestic bounds to build infrastructure and big champions like Samsung, LG, Hyundai, etc. India already has textile, ship building, assembly line industries. We don't have it at scale or free trade agreements with big economies like US and EU to take advantage of exporting and scaling up. Having said that let me go through your points.

1) Chips R&D: We are focusing on mature nodes like 28nm and Chip design. This does not require much of incentives. And government gives only 50% project cost if they bring in a reputable technology partner. Tata got this incentive because it brought Taiwan's PSMC as it's partner. Micron is building OSAT plant and they got this incentive as well.

2) 5th Gen fighters: This is a question of national security. What it does have to do with economy?

3)AI R & D: Don't know what you are talking about. I for one believe all the shit people talk about AI is pure hype. Besides AI is vague. Elaborate and be specific by what you mean by "AI R&D".

4)Rare Earth refinery: Did you read the news recently? Your government has banned rare earth magnets which will halt automobile production. In fact, Suzuki already has stopped production. Why should anyone depend on one country for critical minerals?

5) EV: So we shouldn't have EV's now? Does focusing on EV's hurt other aspects of economy?

First support your hypothesis with data and examples. And argue why these things cannot be done before or after.

Very constructive reply, compare this kind:

Nobody asked for your advice cheng. Kys you communist
 
Nobody asked for your advice cheng. Kys you communist

What's the point of racist shit man? Rebut someone with constructive arguments. At the end of the day, what matters is getting things done. We need to focus on actions which are result oriented and come out of "Chaltha hai" attitude. Today's generation should break from the past and get shit done. Hiding behind a screen and hurling racist shit with nothing to show for is what Pakis do. Do you want to be them?
 
If the true current India's economic power is somewhere like China during 2002-2004, India should focus on the low hanging fruit, like textile, shipbuilding, assembly line industries with enough infra investment.

But let me account how many fancy sectors you are investing:
1. Chips R&D
2. 5 Gen fighters
3. AI R&D
4. now rare earth refinery
5. EV
... ...

The outcome would be none of them would be successful or got delayed and delay. But the relatively "simple" industries like textile and shipbuilding are still nowhere compares to even Bangle or Vietnam.

China invested around 20Billion USD to a single LED maker BOE with 10 yrs. But if your government wants to invest all with few 100s millions of USD each in current stage, you might get none.
They are not any fancy sectors. We invest in them because we need them. Didn't the JXX program start in 2002? Are you saying we must behave like 2004 China, and not like a 2025 country?
 
They are not any fancy sectors. We invest in them because we need them. Didn't the JXX program start in 2002? Are you saying we must behave like 2004 China, and not like a 2025 country?
What is even is fancy sector? Why should China define what India should consider fancy sector?

AI R&D is simply internet R&D. We need it because we have large service sector. And our internet presence is going increase further & further. For that telecom infrastructure as well as data centers are necessary.

Rare earth refinery? Why should India not build it? It has the 4th/5th largest reserves of rare earth in the world. And it even exports it to some countries. So it is natural progression.
 
India - US Free trade Agreement

India has hardened its attitude towards Free Trade Agreement (FTA) with U.S. The change happened after operation Sindoor when U.S. like decades back Nixon Administration policy, tilted towards Pakistan in 1971.

It is very clear that friend Trump is no friend at all. Trump is too abrupt to be trusted. He ejected his best friend Elon Musk from power although Musk was instrumental in getting Trump elected.

An almost fully negotiated FTA has run into bad weather. Now India has asked US to dump 10% import duty on all imports from India. Otherwise India will put the same amount of duty on some American exports to India. This negotiation point evolved after Trump tilted towards Pakistan and had called India /Modi a friend. If India needs the FTA then so does America. It is already known that Chinese made Trump to cave in by stopping rare earths supply. Now Trump has a few choices.

That means either Trump gives up or the FTA is stuck in negotiations. Indication of it being stuck came from American officials that they raised the Nixon era question that India is importing defence equipment from Russia. India also imports a huge amount from America, France and England. The American Administration knew about it for the last 60 years but trade officials brining it up at the last minute says that since operation Sindoor, and Trump ‘tilt to Pakistan’ , all is not well.
 
What's the point of racist shit man? Rebut someone with constructive arguments. At the end of the day, what matters is getting things done. We need to focus on actions which are result oriented and come out of "Chaltha hai" attitude. Today's generation should break from the past and get shit done. Hiding behind a screen and hurling racist shit with nothing to show for is what Pakis do. Do you want to be them?

wumaos don't deserve constructive arguments.
If you do write a small essay here it is for the other memberaans to help btfo batmuncher narratives.

Both ways are okay
Wumaos and Piglets only deserve gaalis, trolling and zingers, if you write a constructive argument essay it's only to puncture their narratives for us.

No point virtue signalling to another Indian over muh racism over some wumao gandu who himself and his colleagues and his employers spread and boost the most vile anti-Indian racism across all SM
 
What's the point of racist shit man? Rebut someone with constructive arguments. At the end of the day, what matters is getting things done. We need to focus on actions which are result oriented and come out of "Chaltha hai" attitude. Today's generation should break from the past and get shit done. Hiding behind a screen and hurling racist shit with nothing to show for is what Pakis do. Do you want to be them?
Wow you are the goodest of the good boys. I've learned so much.

I will be sure to write long essays to respond to some dirty chong on an Indian defence forum. Surely he has my best interest at heart with his unsolicited chong advice.
 
wumaos don't deserve constructive arguments.
If you do write a small essay here it is for the other memberaans to help btfo batmuncher narratives.

Both ways are okay
Wumaos and Piglets only deserve gaalis, trolling and zingers, if you write a constructive argument essay it's only to puncture their narratives for us.

No point virtue signalling to another Indian over muh racism over some wumao gandu who himself and his colleagues and his employers spread and boost the most vile anti-Indian racism across all SM
Looks like wumaos truly believe they are from the middle kingdom. And everything is centred around them. Most of the Chinese I have encountered from online to in real life often have a very condescending tone whenever they talk to Indians. They pretend to be courteous, but it’s clear they think they’re doing you a favour by even talking to you.

They often speak in a polite, seemingly helpful tone, but underneath it is a quiet, calculated sense of superiority. It’s not open hostility, it’s worse: ridicule disguised as concern. I remember a few years ago, a Chinese user on Reddit kept mocking Indians, saying India shouldn't focus on solar panels because it’s “too poor” and should just stick with coal. It was framed as practical advice, but the message was clear: “Stay in your place.” This kind of masked contempt is harder to call out, but painfully easy to recognise.
 
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