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it the net not gross, net is gross - refunds, it means either refunds have increased or gormint is giving refunds back to companies faster than before.
You're correct but even then 4.9% is subpar. Although exports can cushion some domestic slugginess.
 
You're correct but even then 4.9% is subpar. Although exports can cushion some domestic slugginess.

when we combine what's being reported recently:

- companies are preferring to stock cash
- companies are in low debt to equity ratio
- GST collection growth slowed down
- RBI repo rate cut by 1% this calendar year

- US trade deal under negotiation
- EU trade deal under negotiation
- orange man throwing trade tantrums daily

perhaps consumer sales trends for last quarter will give a better picture, any reports available on this?
 
Pro Kabaddi league is also growing as a brand. My maternal grandfather don't miss any match. I think its viewership is also on a growing trend.


A small case study of Brands increasing their engagement via PKL.

A case study of PKL brand. Must read.


All in all India in next decade will have a good sports ecosystem too. Cricket, Football, Kabaddi, Hockey leagues will mature even more. They will pull even more investments in sports economy.

I don't think chinese have that many great sports leagues???
Chinese have zero. Indian private business ecosystem is far more sophisticated than state owned or state sponsored private businesses in China. In China, there is nothing called a truly private organization. The CCP is everywhere including the board of directors.
 
when we combine what's being reported recently:

- companies are preferring to stock cash
- companies are in low debt to equity ratio
- GST collection growth slowed down
- RBI repo rate cut by 1% this calendar year

- US trade deal under negotiation
- EU trade deal under negotiation
- orange man throwing trade tantrums daily

perhaps consumer sales trends for last quarter will give a better picture, any reports available on this?
Please add a slowing PV market segment.
PV Dispatches by OEM: June 24 3,39,418 vs 3,17,757 in June 25. An effective decline in dispatches by OEMs.

Now, Consider PV registerations data by by FADA
June 2024: 2,90,593 vs 2,97,722 in June 2025.

PV market segment has stagnated. Its no surprise than Creta, Thar, Scorpio, are entering the top 10 list. The gap says it all.
 
Chinese have zero. Indian private business ecosystem is far more sophisticated than state owned or state sponsored private businesses in China. In China, there is nothing called a truly private organization. The CCP is everywhere including the board of directors.
They have some sports league too. However our IPL is way too big for them. IPL revenues are in top 15. I think thats because of weak INR. But if we adjust for PPP. IPL surely will be in top 5. So, IPL ecosystem is very well polished in India. I do not watch ISL or HIL(Hockey League). But I do watch Pro Kabaddai League with my Nanaji. In it I am noticing signs and patterns of a maturing ecosystem. Pro Kabaddi League has come very far from its humble beginnings. Its viewership is increasing with each year. It surpassed 200M viewer threshold. I think, It is just waiting for a breakout. I am sure in next decade it will surely reach in top 20 sports leagues by revenue. IPL in nominal terms will break out in top 8. These sports will inject too much money in our sports ecosystem. They will lay foundation for a strong sports related job market. Players, coaches, scouts, dieticians, sports biology specialists, match analysts, and so on. Soo, I suspect India too will diversify. Other leagues will also gain more market share. We will actually have better sports ecosystem than Chinese in 2036. After US-CA, and Europe. It will be India who will have a robust sports ecosystem.

India at 5T economy: Mammoth IPL + upstart PKL, ISL, HIL
India at 12T economy: Mammoth IPL + PKL + upstart leagues in other sports.
 
They have some sports league too. However our IPL is way too big for them. IPL revenues are in top 15. I think thats because of weak INR. But if we adjust for PPP. IPL surely will be in top 5. So, IPL ecosystem is very well polished in India. I do not watch ISL or HIL(Hockey League). But I do watch Pro Kabaddai League with my Nanaji. In it I am noticing signs and patterns of a maturing ecosystem. Pro Kabaddi League has come very far from its humble beginnings. Its viewership is increasing with each year. It surpassed 200M viewer threshold. I think, It is just waiting for a breakout. I am sure in next decade it will surely reach in top 20 sports leagues by revenue. IPL in nominal terms will break out in top 8. These sports will inject too much money in our sports ecosystem. They will lay foundation for a strong sports related job market. Players, coaches, scouts, dieticians, sports biology specialists, match analysts, and so on. Soo, I suspect India too will diversify. Other leagues will also gain more market share. We will actually have better sports ecosystem than Chinese in 2036. After US-CA, and Europe. It will be India who will have a robust sports ecosystem.

India at 5T economy: Mammoth IPL + upstart PKL, ISL, HIL
India at 12T economy: Mammoth IPL + PKL + upstart leagues in other sports.
If we go purely by revenue, IPL is 13th in the world. The top Chinese league is of Basketball and it's 21st in the World.

But, remember IPL window is very short and only lasts a bit more than 2 months while most leagues run for 9 months.

The revenue per match is much more substantial and IPL is no 3 in the world and will be no 2 when the next broadcast deal gets signed.

Every IPL match earns 17.8 Million Euro via broadcasting, NFL is by far the highest with 67.7 Million Euro per match.

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They have some sports league too. However our IPL is way too big for them. IPL revenues are in top 15. I think thats because of weak INR. But if we adjust for PPP. IPL surely will be in top 5. So, IPL ecosystem is very well polished in India. I do not watch ISL or HIL(Hockey League). But I do watch Pro Kabaddai League with my Nanaji. In it I am noticing signs and patterns of a maturing ecosystem. Pro Kabaddi League has come very far from its humble beginnings. Its viewership is increasing with each year. It surpassed 200M viewer threshold. I think, It is just waiting for a breakout. I am sure in next decade it will surely reach in top 20 sports leagues by revenue. IPL in nominal terms will break out in top 8. These sports will inject too much money in our sports ecosystem. They will lay foundation for a strong sports related job market. Players, coaches, scouts, dieticians, sports biology specialists, match analysts, and so on. Soo, I suspect India too will diversify. Other leagues will also gain more market share. We will actually have better sports ecosystem than Chinese in 2036. After US-CA, and Europe. It will be India who will have a robust sports ecosystem.

India at 5T economy: Mammoth IPL + upstart PKL, ISL, HIL
India at 12T economy: Mammoth IPL + PKL + upstart leagues in other sports.


IPL is on par with some of the biggest sports league in the world. Pro Kabaddi league is also an profitable venture for Star network (JioStar). Some of the Games rules using in PKL is not even implemented in International Kabaddi matches. Also, the bigger problem seems to be stemming from IKF the governing body. They could not able to conduct an Kabaddi world cup for an decade now. The women kabaddi WC conducted back in 2012.

ISL on the free fall and it is pretty much on situation where this year ISL may not happen since the contract renewal is in limbo. Also the so called leadership is blatant corrupt crooks.


Funnily Italy is playing the World Cup in 2026 not in Football but in Cricket.
 
If we go purely by revenue, IPL is 13th in the world. The top Chinese league is of Basketball and it's 21st in the World.

But, remember IPL window is very short and only lasts a bit more than 2 months while most leagues run for 9 months.

The revenue per match is much more substantial and IPL is no 3 in the world and will be no 2 when the next broadcast deal gets signed.

Every IPL match earns 17.8 Million Euro via broadcasting, NFL is by far the highest with 67.7 Million Euro per match.

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Yes, I went through this list. Its telltale signs are apparent in my post. I eschewed from directly referencing it because I had doubts over its accuracy and relevance.
Mostly, relevance and impact.

The list included ISL and WPL. It gave me cold feet. Well because ISL, is still not a smooth league. Its revenue model is unsustainable. Its organizer charges extensive fees to participating franchises. Its future is still uncertain.


All in all ISL ecosystem is not yet mature. Its governance still fragile.

WPL on other hand is rammed in by BCCI. It has good sponsors and good governance model. But it is too early to ascertain its relevance and impact.

Thats why i tried to keep them out.

Pro Kabaddi League on other hand has matured just like IPL. It has successfully concluded 10 seasons. It has stable governance model. Its viewership and brand value is rising each year. All in all its more certain than ISL, is more older than WPL. It has second largest viewership in India after IPL. Revenue figues do not reflect it. I will say on ground PKL has much more robust ecosystem than ISL and WPL.

Thats why my previous post was overlooking direct factual reference. I just wanted to focus more on ecosystem with revenue as a proxy. It turned out revenue in itself was not a good proxy for smaller leagues. PKL has better ecosystem than both ISL and WPL. But it looses out on revenue. BTW. PKL turned profitable in last season with net profits around 2-3 crores.

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IPL is on par with some of the biggest sports league in the world. Pro Kabaddi league is also an profitable venture for Star network (JioStar). Some of the Games rules using in PKL is not even implemented in International Kabaddi matches. Also, the bigger problem seems to be stemming from IKF the governing body. They could not able to conduct an Kabaddi world cup for an decade now. The women kabaddi WC conducted back in 2012.

ISL on the free fall and it is pretty much on situation where this year ISL may not happen since the contract renewal is in limbo. Also the so called leadership is blatant corrupt crooks.


Funnily Italy is playing the World Cup in 2026 not in Football but in Cricket.
I also expressed some of the same points you made in my previous post. You beat me to them especially future of ISL.

On IPL. Just think about it. We have one of the largest domestic sports league just at 4T GDP. A 12T GDP economy will actually sustain some more big domestic sports leagues even if IPL corners major consumer spending.

IPL has transformed Indian Cricket and Indian Sports Ecosystem. It creates new Crorepati cricket players every year. Cricket is now financially viable career choice for many. Just make it to IPL. Worst you can do is accumulate as much money as 10 years of an average Sarkaari job in a single season.

IPL has actually made me favor domestic sports leagues over international tournaments. IPL has brought revolution in Indian cricket. We now have more and better cricketers. Player earnings are more. I just can't overlook it and pine for more domestic sports league.

3-4 sports leagues with good viewership and we will have a good sporting infrastructure. It will have beneficial second order effects on our ecosystem.
 
They have some sports league too. However our IPL is way too big for them. IPL revenues are in top 15. I think thats because of weak INR. But if we adjust for PPP. IPL surely will be in top 5. So, IPL ecosystem is very well polished in India. I do not watch ISL or HIL(Hockey League). But I do watch Pro Kabaddai League with my Nanaji. In it I am noticing signs and patterns of a maturing ecosystem. Pro Kabaddi League has come very far from its humble beginnings. Its viewership is increasing with each year. It surpassed 200M viewer threshold. I think, It is just waiting for a breakout. I am sure in next decade it will surely reach in top 20 sports leagues by revenue. IPL in nominal terms will break out in top 8. These sports will inject too much money in our sports ecosystem. They will lay foundation for a strong sports related job market. Players, coaches, scouts, dieticians, sports biology specialists, match analysts, and so on. Soo, I suspect India too will diversify. Other leagues will also gain more market share. We will actually have better sports ecosystem than Chinese in 2036. After US-CA, and Europe. It will be India who will have a robust sports ecosystem.

India at 5T economy: Mammoth IPL + upstart PKL, ISL, HIL
India at 12T economy: Mammoth IPL + PKL + upstart leagues in other sports.
This is just hopium lol. China already has one of the best sports ecosystem in the world already who go on and win 100+ medals every olympics. IPL is bigger because most Indians only watch cricket that's why it has such big revenue. Indians don't have appetite for any other sports execpt cricket and some who watch kabaddi, football etc. If someone don't know, Hockey had the first franchise league in India even before IPL started. But it failed. Same with HIL which got shut down in 2017 and now again it has started. I hope it doesn't get shut down again. YT highlights of HIL barely reaches 10k views. Chinks have improved a lot in hockey, there women won silver medal in Paris meanwhile our women didn't even qualify. THeir men's team is also improving rapidly. Our men's team post olympics is going downhill too. Men ended up 8th in Pro league and women's team got relegated. I won't be surprised if we win 0 medals in LA. China is usually known for being bad at Team sports. But they are improving really well at team sports compared to vishwaguru who is doing nothing.
 
Came across this report from SSC Forum.


As we talked about how Vedanta was scamming everyone and GOI done the right thing by throwing them out. Looks like they are doing lot of mismanagement.
 
This is just hopium lol. China already has one of the best sports ecosystem in the world already who go on and win 100+ medals every olympics. IPL is bigger because most Indians only watch cricket that's why it has such big revenue. Indians don't have appetite for any other sports execpt cricket and some who watch kabaddi, football etc. If someone don't know, Hockey had the first franchise league in India even before IPL started. But it failed. Same with HIL which got shut down in 2017 and now again it has started. I hope it doesn't get shut down again. YT highlights of HIL barely reaches 10k views. Chinks have improved a lot in hockey, there women won silver medal in Paris meanwhile our women didn't even qualify. THeir men's team is also improving rapidly. Our men's team post olympics is going downhill too. Men ended up 8th in Pro league and women's team got relegated. I won't be surprised if we win 0 medals in LA. China is usually known for being bad at Team sports. But they are improving really well at team sports compared to vishwaguru who is doing nothing.
Different things pal. Olympics are not considered professional sports. Confusing, Isn't it? It was to my teen brain when controversy broke out over Boxer Vijendra leaving for professional boxing. I was flumoxed.

Olympics are glorified Inter University Tournaments.

Commercial Sports league are different. Their ecosystem is different.

I will take cricketing example:
Olympics are like ICC tournaments. How much did India playing international cricket helped Indian Cricketers. Only a few earned good. Many in the pipleline earned pittance. However IPL came and now a lot of the cricketers are earning handsomely. An average cricketer now earn more because of IPL. There are more and better coaches and professional sports staff in India due to IPL.

So, I will instead prefer a few good sports leagues where players and team staff earn good. India surely will have other sports leagues. PKL is one, ISL will be one, IHL will be one. Its just economy size that matters now. More and more sports leagues will become viable as our economy grows. I don't care about some olympic medals. They don't pay. Sports leagues do.

On, China, I don't think CCP will ever allow any sports leagues to grow. Too much people organization potential. CCP hates people organizing themselves.
 
Different things pal. Olympics are not considered professional sports. Confusing, Isn't it? It was to my teen brain when controversy broke out over Boxer Vijendra leaving for professional boxing. I was flumoxed.

Olympics are glorified Inter University Tournaments.

Commercial Sports league are different. Their ecosystem is different.

I will take cricketing example:
Olympics are like ICC tournaments. How much did India playing international cricket helped Indian Cricketers. Only a few earned good. Many in the pipleline earned pittance. However IPL came and now a lot of the cricketers are earning handsomely. An average cricketer now earn more because of IPL. There are more and better coaches and professional sports staff in India due to IPL.

So, I will instead prefer a few good sports leagues where players and team staff earn good. India surely will have other sports leagues. PKL is one, ISL will be one, IHL will be one. Its just economy size that matters now. More and more sports leagues will become viable as our economy grows. I don't care about some olympic medals. They don't pay. Sports leagues do.

On, China, I don't think CCP will ever allow any sports leagues to grow. Too much people organization potential. CCP hates people organizing themselves.

An successful IPL only cricketer will earn more than what 80% of Olympic games players earns. Olympics needs ball lifting by Governments.
 
Different things pal. Olympics are not considered professional sports. Confusing, Isn't it? It was to my teen brain when controversy broke out over Boxer Vijendra leaving for professional boxing. I was flumoxed.

Olympics are glorified Inter University Tournaments.

Commercial Sports league are different. Their ecosystem is different.

I will take cricketing example:
Olympics are like ICC tournaments. How much did India playing international cricket helped Indian Cricketers. Only a few earned good. Many in the pipleline earned pittance. However IPL came and now a lot of the cricketers are earning handsomely. An average cricketer now earn more because of IPL. There are more and better coaches and professional sports staff in India due to IPL.

So, I will instead prefer a few good sports leagues where players and team staff earn good. India surely will have other sports leagues. PKL is one, ISL will be one, IHL will be one. Its just economy size that matters now. More and more sports leagues will become viable as our economy grows. I don't care about some olympic medals. They don't pay. Sports leagues do.

On, China, I don't think CCP will ever allow any sports leagues to grow. Too much people organization potential. CCP hates people organizing themselves.
Many sports in the Olympics are peak professional. There is a reason why Olympics call themselves as amateur sports. If they start calling themselves as professional they might have to start sharing revenue with athlete which they don't want to. I know some sports in olympics like football, wrestling, boxing are irrelevant. But saying whole olmypics are just glorified inter university tourneys is just stupid.

Seems like you haven't read my full text. Commercialized sports league have failed in India except PKl and IPL. I can list down tons of leagues which have disbanded in the past. Economy has nothing to do with it. Even being a poor country IPL is successful because of high viewership. If people don't watch it, it won't make money simple as that. It's a bad take to not care about Olympics. Olympics is a stepping stone for bringing interest in sports. Just see how much interest Saina and Sindhu have brought to badminton. That interest is than converted to viership and then you can have all viable sports leagues.
 

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Good the slit eyed haramis are being removed from a critical sector atleast


Same will be the case for rare earths. China has been relying much more on tactical measures to protect its industrial output lately. So much for the 10 ft Chinaman syndrome. India continues to expand its capacity, and when the required is done, it will just ban APIs from China for dumping 🥳
 
Same will be the case for rare earths. China has been relying much more on tactical measures to protect its industrial output lately. So much for the 10 ft Chinaman syndrome. India continues to expand its capacity, and when the required is done, it will just ban APIs from China for dumping 🥳

And the more they do things like this the more a fire is lit under the collective asses of govt, babooze, domestic dhandhos and foreign investor dhandhos to decouple from Chinese supply chains in the long term.

It's like how they started deporting Kanglus after Chunus was installed and how it has increased after Op Sindoor.
 
Many sports in the Olympics are peak professional. There is a reason why Olympics call themselves as amateur sports. If they start calling themselves as professional they might have to start sharing revenue with athlete which they don't want to. I know some sports in olympics like football, wrestling, boxing are irrelevant. But saying whole olmypics are just glorified inter university tourneys is just stupid.

Seems like you haven't read my full text. Commercialized sports league have failed in India except PKl and IPL. I can list down tons of leagues which have disbanded in the past. Economy has nothing to do with it. Even being a poor country IPL is successful because of high viewership. If people don't watch it, it won't make money simple as that. It's a bad take to not care about Olympics. Olympics is a stepping stone for bringing interest in sports. Just see how much interest Saina and Sindhu have brought to badminton. That interest is than converted to viership and then you can have all viable sports leagues.
Yes, Olympic atheletes are peak. Thats why a teenage me was flumoxxed. I am not questioning the capabilities of the atheletes. Just monetary aspect of it.

Problem with Olympics, Asians, and Commonwealth games is one simple thing. The pipeline. Players mostly earn handsome sums when they win a gold medal especially an olympic gold. Most of the players go unnoticed. It requires extensive government support. We have SAI for it already. How is it doing?? Isn't it at the whims of govt? How much sporting infrastructure have SAI created??? What about the stories about entitled Phogats?? Miser SAI officials???

Yes Olympic medals are great at spotlighting a sport. But here is a problem. How much did they help the sports ecosystem as whole in India??? As i said in my ICC Tournaments vs IPL. Only a few benefits. Much of the ecosytem does not. Players like Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar earned good even when their was no IPL. The real question is did Ranji Players earned enough?? Don't you think average cricketer earns more now?? Don't you think IPL actually made cricket and its ecosystem a viable career for many??

As i said Olympics and its adjacent tournaments are a different breed. I do recognize their potential to catalyst a sports. I am from HR, I know the buzz it creates. Its just monetary aspects.

Now, You are wrong to think, I didn't read your post. I fully read it and understood it. You are half wrong in failure of Sports leagues.

Let me be concise here:
Viewership = Piece of a Pie. Large Viewership > Large Piece
Economic Size = Total Pie.

Sport League Economy = Pie X Piece
For it to be successful, Sports League Economy > Operating Costs (They are fixed)

So, we shouldn't discount IPL success. Neither we should be jealous of it. The large viewership actually helped it in crossing the viability threshold in our smaller economic pie.

Other sports leagues failed because we didn't have enough economic weight.

There is a reason PKL is successful and maturing now. Because our economy has that buffer space. Earlier only IPL could tap into it. In future as our economy grows and commercial sporting culture takes foothold. I am sure other leagues will also become more successful. Ofcourse at the cost of IPL.
 

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