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So, Japnese Shinkansen has been dropped altogether in favour of indigenous bullet train design?
the government has decided to produce its own bullet trains capable of reaching speeds of up to 280 km/hour, moving away from the plan to purchase Japanese Shinkansen (high-speed bullet) trains.
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India-made bullet trains with speeds of up to 280 km/hour soon: Key details

India is set to launch its own bullet trains, reaching speeds of 280 km/h, with the first route between Surat and Bilimora expected by 2026, marking a major step in domestic high-speed rail development.
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Indx TechStyle said:
So, Japnese Shinkansen has been dropped altogether in favour of indigenous bullet train design?

www.indiatoday.in

India-made bullet trains with speeds of up to 280 km/hour soon: Key details

India is set to launch its own bullet trains, reaching speeds of 280 km/h, with the first route between Surat and Bilimora expected by 2026, marking a major step in domestic high-speed rail development.
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Probably not. This project is for our future high speed lines. MAHSR uses Japanese DS-ATC signalling, so you have to use Shinkansen trainsets.
 
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haldilal said:
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Makes perfect sense why ICF proceeded with BEML for the B-1 Bullet 280 Km/hr trains as an interim measure.

The trains are to be delivered by the end of 2026 and will probably see limited operation by end of 2027.

BEML has been awarded a contract for the design, manufacturing, and commissioning of two high-speed trainsets, each comprising 8 cars by Integral Coach Factory (ICF), Chennai. The price of each car is Rs 27.86 crore and the total contract value is Rs 866.87 crore which includes design cost, one-time development cost, non-recurring charges, one-time cost towards Jigs, fixtures, tooling and testing facilities, which will be utilised for all future High-Speed projects in India. This project marks a significant milestone in India's high-speed rail journey and will see the first indigenously designed and manufactured trainsets with a test speed of 280 kmph.

The trainsets will be built at BEML's Bengaluru rail coach complex and are scheduled for delivery by the end of 2026. Featuring a fully air-conditioned, Chair Car configuration, the trains will offer modern passenger amenities such as reclining and rotatable seats, special provisions for passengers with restricted mobility, and onboard infotainment systems.
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India may get newer, faster bullet train — at the same time as Japan​


India and Japan may see the simultaneous launch of the latest version of the bullet train, Shinkansen Alfa-X, aka Shinkansen E10, in 2029-30, and Tokyo, India’s partner in the ambitious bullet train project between Ahmedabad and Mumbai, is alright with India running two indigenously made high-speed trains on the track, which is expected to be ready in 2026-27, three people familiar with the matter said.

India was previously expected to get the Shinkansen E5.

It was Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s keen interest in the project and his excellent rapport with the Japanese leadership that saw a very positive outcome from two recent high-level official visits to Japan led by railway minister Ashwini Vaishnaw in September and December 2024, the people added, requesting anonymity. The E5’s maximum speed is 320km/h, while the E10, which is still undergoing trials in Japan, can run at a top speed of 400km/h.

“It is the first time that a developed nation has agreed to launch its latest product simultaneously in its own country as well as in a foreign land,” one of the people said. Compared to E5, the new model is a state-of-the-art machine, safer and faster, and the US and Taiwan are also eyeing this model, he added.

India could complete the necessary infrastructure, including a special track for the bullet train, by 2026-27. Instead of keeping the infrastructure idle, the two partners have agreed that India could test and launch its two prototype bullet trains in 2027 using the same infrastructure between Ahmedabad and Mumbai, the people said.

Indian Railways’ production unit Integral Coach Factory (ICF) has already awarded the ₹867 crore contract to manufacture and commission the two semi high-speed trains to BEML Ltd in October 2024. The two indigenous trains are expected to be delivered by the end of 2026. They may have a top speed of 280km/h, but can be operated at around 249km/h.

“Japan has recently given its consent to the plan where India can utilize infrastructure for its indigenously made trains,” a second person said.

This person added that it was only after this that the National High-Speed Rail Corporation Ltd (NHSRCL), on Saturday, January 18, “floated a global tender for design, manufacture, supply, installation, testing and commissioning of signaling and train control system on Mumbai Ahmedabad High-Speed Rail (MAHSR) project.”

NHSRCL, the railways ministry, the ministry of external affairs, the government of Japan and Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) did not respond to e-mail queries. MAHSR was approved by the Cabinet in December 2015.

The infrastructure construction for the bullet train project is “literally on a fast track” with the minister for railways himself supervising every development, the people said. On Saturday, he supervised construction of a 21-km long undersea tunnel, India’s first such, between Bandra-Kurla Complex and Shilphata.

The $17 billion MAHSR project is a joint project of the Centre, Gujarat and Maharashtra. It is being executed by a special purpose vehicle (SPV) , NHSRCL. The SPV has been formed with a shareholding of 50% by the Centre and 25% each by governments of Gujarat and Maharashtra. Approximately 81% of the cost of the project is being funded through a soft loan by the Government of Japan through JICA.

JICA’s loan to MAHSR is for a tenure of 50 years at 0.1% interest rate and with a moratorium period of 15 years. Thus, the loan repayment will be done in 35 years, according to NHSRCL. The project will launch the country’s first bullet train covering the 508 km from Bandra Kurla Complex (BKC) in Mumbai to Sabarmati, near Ahmedabad, in about two hours and seven minutes. The train will run at 320 km per hour and have stops at Thane, Virar, Boisar, Vapi, Bilimora, Surat, Bharuch, Vadodara, Anand, Ahmedabad and will terminate at Sabarmati.

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haldilal said:
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Can India become manufacturing hub for this train type? Basically domestic train can be "mid-tier" train and Shinkansen can be the 400kmph+ version with domestic hub?

Also I hope there is serious brainwashing going on of staff that are going to be working on this train. zero tolerance policy for BS (I know you all know exactly what I'm talking about).
 
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Can India become manufacturing hub for this train type? Basically domestic train can be "mid-tier" train and Shinkansen can be the 400kmph+ version with domestic hub?

Also I hope there is serious brainwashing going on of staff that are going to be working on this train. zero tolerance policy for BS (I know you all know exactly what I'm talking about).
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Ideally we should've gone in for aluminium body but we don't have the tech for aluminium profiling in India plus Ministry of Railways seems to be in some sort of a grudge match with the Japanese (which explains the hurried timelines by BEML for they could have bought the tech from outside , otherwise ) & which for some reason the Modi administration either doesn't want to solve or is unable to do so.

This is where I've repeatedly faulted the Modi administration for myopic policy making in Railways instead of taking a leaf from the CCP , putting up with the Japanese for just this one project or another one apart from this at the most , insisted on local tech absorption thru a JV with a local partner , got the tech transferred , ask the Japanese to turn around & plant a huge kick up their collective arses .

Instead we'd go about this in our usual trial & error fashion & God Forbid if the experiment fails , immediately hop on to the import band wagon which I suspect is the game plan all along , by rail mantralay babooos.

Vaishnaw is being played like a fiddle just like his predecessor Goyal was . Apparently in a nation of 1.4 billion people , Modi can't find a single competent person to run the rail mantralay that he's to depend on a person who's handling MeitY , IT , I&B , Telecommunications ( previously ) & Railways all at once. Even for an administrator of his calibre & acumen this must be a tall order.
 
Azaad said:
Ideally we should've gone in for aluminium body but we don't have the tech for aluminium profiling in India plus Ministry of Railways seems to be in some sort of a grudge match with the Japanese (which explains the hurried timelines by BEML for they could have bought the tech from outside , otherwise ) & which for some reason the Modi administration either doesn't want to solve or is unable to do so.

This is where I've repeatedly faulted the Modi administration for myopic policy making in Railways instead of taking a leaf from the CCP , putting up with the Japanese for just this one project or another one apart from this at the most , insisted on local tech absorption thru a JV with a local partner , got the tech transferred , ask the Japanese to turn around & plant a huge kick up their collective arses .

Instead we'd go about this in our usual trial & error fashion & God Forbid if the experiment fails , immediately hop on to the import band wagon which I suspect is the game plan all along , by rail mantralay babooos.

Vaishnaw is being played like a fiddle just like his predecessor Goyal was . Apparently in a nation of 1.4 billion people , Modi can't find a single competent person to run the rail mantralay that he's to depend on a person who's handling MeitY , IT , I&B , Telecommunications ( previously ) & Railways all at once. Even for an administrator of his calibre & acumen this must be a tall order.
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They should have started connecting all the major cities with HSR instead. Too bad the Ministry is busy playing DPR DPR.

I do not blame them for developing steel body HSR coaches tho - many countries have run steel body coaches at 300 kmph or higher. Aluminum coach is a different tech altogether - would require collaboration (Titagrah has access to ETCS grade aluminium coach tech - built aluminum coaches for Pune metro at their Kolkata plant).

But this impasse over MAHSR is happening because the gormint is reneging on their prior commitments. Pretty much a recurring occurrence at this point. Look how they (unsuccessfully) tried to renegotiate the VB sleeper contracts just to save a few bucks, delayed the project and eventually agreed to the original T&Cs in totality.
 
Azaad said:
Ideally we should've gone in for aluminium body but we don't have the tech for aluminium profiling in India plus Ministry of Railways seems to be in some sort of a grudge match with the Japanese (which explains the hurried timelines by BEML for they could have bought the tech from outside , otherwise ) & which for some reason the Modi administration either doesn't want to solve or is unable to do so.

This is where I've repeatedly faulted the Modi administration for myopic policy making in Railways instead of taking a leaf from the CCP , putting up with the Japanese for just this one project or another one apart from this at the most , insisted on local tech absorption thru a JV with a local partner , got the tech transferred , ask the Japanese to turn around & plant a huge kick up their collective arses .

Instead we'd go about this in our usual trial & error fashion & God Forbid if the experiment fails , immediately hop on to the import band wagon which I suspect is the game plan all along , by rail mantralay babooos.

Vaishnaw is being played like a fiddle just like his predecessor Goyal was . Apparently in a nation of 1.4 billion people , Modi can't find a single competent person to run the rail mantralay that he's to depend on a person who's handling MeitY , IT , I&B , Telecommunications ( previously ) & Railways all at once. Even for an administrator of his calibre & acumen this must be a tall order.
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We should actually moved the HSR to Indian Gauge. But we decided to go for Standard Gauge. With Indian Gauge the cost will be slightly higher since we need to build a new trainset and Japanese will rip off for the Prototype they will manufacture. This also gives an chance to build a much broader trainset.

But we going with Standard Gauge and hence the HSR System will be isolated from Main IR Line. We went with Unigauge and this activity kind of backtracking the approach.

For next stage, HSR needs to be expanded for meaningful usage.
1. Ahmedabad - New Delhi.
2. Mumbai - Pune.
3. Pune - Hyderabad
4. Pune - Bengaluru
5. Bengaluru - Hyderabad
6. Chennai - Hyderabad.
7. Chennai - Trivandrum
8. Bengaluru -Trivandrum.
9. Chennai - Hyderabad - Nagpur - Delhi HSR.

These are the routes where you can go for HSR blindly simply the crowd is ready to spend money. Just look at the VB trains waiting list in this sections.
 
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