Indian Special Forces

[TAVOUR 21]

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[vampyrbladez]

Off topic but still relevant. In last 29 days the paki have lost more then dozen sag belong to elite units of ssg ( zarrar and Powindahs ). I was looking at their pictures have have observed that they got far better equipments


Pic of ssg capt from Powindahs killed today: View attachment 27978



Powindah was the same unit who captured wing cmd abhinandan

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They have done multiple ops on the LoC and against TTP




Stand Rifle set-up comparison

Pakis are using: Trijicon ACOG®/RMR sight combo View attachment 27980while we still use reflex sight and no magnifier: mepro mor pro View attachment 27981


They also have superior LAM with good numbers to support night ops


Peq 15 and 15a are their standard View attachment 27982 compared to our peq 2 that too in rare View attachment 27983


Not to mention our sopmod block 1 is extremely outdated

Don't we use Steiner DBALs as a unit level purchase?

 

[IWIarad11]

Don't we use Steiner DBALs as a unit level purchase?

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I spotted a few here and there with 9 & 4 para

 

[Zoid Raptor]

They should try to build superiority because they cant match our numbers!

Our strategy is putting meat to the grinder to stop it.



View: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpecOpsArchive/s/LqeVoOsXHl


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpecOpsArchive/s/WIsIELECGg


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpecOpsArchive/s/4lPTOYug8B

SSG's Zarrar unit (our NSG equivalent) is definitely impressive tbh when compared to SOF units in South Asia. They also seem to be beefier (maybe predominantly Punjabis), well built and relatively better equipped

 

[hkdas]

Shocking that a total jahil/anpad/uneducated force stresses so much on training!

Look at BLA…

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In joint excercises with foreign countries, Paras bring more embarassment to india with their WW2 gears and tactics.. in 2018 vajra prahar many para SF soldier didn't even know how to properly hold a pistol...
What I don't understand is why para SF COs couldn't see the difference in weapons handling skills of other foreign SF units and Para SF!? After all they are doing many Joint excercises with decent Special forces around the world.

 

[hkdas]

SSG's Zarrar unit (our NSG equivalent) is definitely impressive tbh when compared to SOF units in South Asia. They also seem to be beefier (maybe predominantly Punjabis), well built and relatively better equipped

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NSG have better training and have better physical standards than zarrar unit.
But zarrar is not a deputationional force, their soldiers have years of experience in the unit meantime most experienced NSG commando have only 2.5 years experience.

 

[randombully]

can’t we strap a jet engine in carl gustav and make it a Bazioka-Fighter jet

Specialised rounds and adding ballistic computers, is in similar ballpark of developing "guided" pinaka.



Not jet engines

 

[AbRaj]

Specialised rounds and adding ballistic computers, is in similar ballpark of developing "guided" pinaka.



Not jet engines

Bro, why complicate things when cheap and simple alternatives already exists. Its common sense really.

 

[rkhanna]

SSG's Zarrar unit (our NSG equivalent) is definitely impressive tbh when compared to SOF units in South Asia. They also seem to be beefier (maybe predominantly Punjabis), well built and relatively better equipped

IMO Zarrar is more like their CAG than NSG in a pure like for like (nothing to do with capability) but from a mandate perspective.

SSG (without commenting on their capability etc etc) have a FAR superior organizational structure and mandate than us.

 

[hkdas]

View: https://x.com/Platypuss_10/status/1902929962119860451?t=m_aioxNegtt1GzA5RZ6ljg&s=19

 

[@elite_warriors26]

View: https://x.com/PranjalShi24150/status/1902932889144266821?t=VlGizuEvbld_sCT91MboqA&s=19

 

[@elite_warriors26]

View: https://x.com/PranjalShi24150/status/1902933800444932455?t=ksWy8GJwyK7MWMkO4_zD8w&s=19

 

[hkdas]

IMO Zarrar is more like their CAG than NSG in a pure like for like (nothing to do with capability) but from a mandate perspective.

SSG (without commenting on their capability etc etc) have a FAR superior organizational structure and mandate than us.

Please define "far superior organisational structure"?
AFAIK, SSG is more fucked up by infantry troops than para sf.
In all major operations, SSG acts as super infantry role, they are mixed with infantry for quick success in operation.
In Kargil war all infantry units are led by SSG officers and JCOs.
Even during the capture of bana top, our infantry soldiers killed SSG captain and his JCO along with his infantry soldiers (rest of their infantry soldiers abandoned their SSG joc and injured SSG captain).

 

[@elite_warriors26]

View: https://x.com/PranjalShi24150/status/1902934673459908634?t=op5dTx72CLPdXRoguCAEuQ&s=19

 

[RDXChauhan]

View: https://x.com/PranjalShi24150/status/1902934673459908634?t=op5dTx72CLPdXRoguCAEuQ&s=19

Why does NSG always looks so shabbily dressed, what pc do they use

 

[TAVOUR 21]

Why does NSG always looks so shabbily dressed, what pc do they use

pc without a plate is the reason

with plate it looks fine

 

[rkhanna]

Please define "far superior organisational structure"?
AFAIK, SSG is more fucked up by infantry troops than para sf.
In all major operations, SSG acts as super infantry role, they are mixed with infantry for quick success in operation.
In Kargil war all infantry units are led by SSG officers and JCOs.
Even during the capture of bana top, our infantry soldiers killed SSG captain and his JCO along with his infantry soldiers (rest of their infantry soldiers abandoned their SSG joc and injured SSG captain).

Sir - you misunderstand. The Organization Structure of the SSG - from Selection to Battalion and HQ formations and uniformity is far better than ours. SSG was raised by GB and SAS. you are talking USAGE

The Entirety of the Pak Military has degraded in quality over the past 3.5 decades- Religious Fundamentalism Political/Tribal divions in the Armed Forces. A Mil/Civilian leadership that needed to give quick results and bolster population "Morale". and inturn backed by a Population (large part) that reveres their Military blindly.

The SSG has now been used for the last 2 decades as super infantry, propogranda machinary to control/pacify their own local population. Over time the free thinkers (since the 80s) were moved out and replaced by yes men - more fundamentalist - less Skill quality. SSG is more trusted than Pak Line Infantry and Para Mils where tribal loyalties are drawing lines. SSG officers are also more senior across the Mil establishment and control alot of the strings.

The SSG and AF used to be the cream of their Crop. Religious Fundamentalism that started pervading the country from the 80s has now deeply affected the way their Military operates. - Starting from Primary school education - resulting in Poor quality Officers in the Armed Forces. [The abject lying in Press Releases to hide their own Dead is a shocking display of No Integrity]

POINT BEING - non of the above has anyting to do with their Organizational Structure. Which is now absolutely wasted. But ON PAPER - their structure is superior to ours.


2 Side Points:

1. We are slowly seeing the same/similar rot now entering our own Military
- The Same Corruption, Yes men, incompetence, lack of responsibilty, arrogance is now becoming more open. - and YES including overt religiosity/tribalism - with full support of a hardline population that wont let you question anything

2. Kargil - from the Pak side - the SSG led grey op to occupy our heights in the dead of winter was a CLASSIC SOF operation. Them Leading Conventional Units / Militia is entirely the role of SOF. the Op needed Bodies as it required to take and Hold ground.
- in this case your example is missplaced.

- BTW they did EXACTLY the same to get the Taliban to take out the ANA overnight and retake Kabul.

 

[rkhanna]

Please define "far superior organisational structure"?

1. Their Mandate is Strategic
2. Dedicated SOF C&C that answers Directly to GCHQ and PMO
3. Not Co-mingled with a conventional infantry unit which they are subservant to - (SF is subservant to the Paras in the Parachute Regiment)
4. They are their own Command - not linked to theater commands and answerable to Conventional COs
5. Unified Training, Selection, Pocurement
6. SOF elements from Cherat get rotated through Brigade Combat Teams (Theater Commands)
7. They Even have Specific Units for ELINT/COMMS Support that are dedicated to Support Zarar (Iqabal Co)
8. They have a lot of specialization - musa company for example
9. When they expanded to add new battalions - they ran selection and raised new units - they did not convert an existing Conventional Unit. (AFAIK - happy to be corrected)


All this is from my memory - happy to be corrected.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

1. Their Mandate is Strategic
2. Dedicated SOF C&C that answers Directly to GCHQ and PMO
3. Not Co-mingled with a conventional infantry unit which they are subservant to - (SF is subservant to the Paras in the Parachute Regiment)
4. They are their own Command - not linked to theater commands and answerable to Conventional COs
5. Unified Training, Selection, Pocurement
6. SOF elements from Cherat get rotated through Brigade Combat Teams (Theater Commands)
7. They Even have Specific Units for ELINT/COMMS Support that are dedicated to Support Zarar (Iqabal Co)
8. They have a lot of specialization - musa company for example
9. When they expanded to add new battalions - they ran selection and raised new units - they did not convert an existing Conventional Unit. (AFAIK - happy to be corrected)


All this is from my memory - happy to be corrected.



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On Paper our AFSOD ensure these kind of structure compared to the current Kichdi structure we have. But looking at reality, AFSOD will be screwed up by Army with their problem.

 

[rkhanna]

On Paper our AFSOD ensure these kind of structure compared to the current Kichdi structure we have. But looking at reality, AFSOD will be screwed up by Army with their problem.

"When the root is rotten so will be the Branches"

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