Indian Special Forces

[hkdas]

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[Arad Operator]

What other rifles were they considering?

Don't know about the SF's new rifle quest but it will be an AR pattern rifle for sure I if am correct.

Carbine tender will be splitted in L1-L2 so probably Car-816 + Arad or Car-816 + Taurus T4, many possibilities.

 

[username unkown]

IIRC they want an AR pattern rifle...
No matter how much one refines it, if it won't meet the QRs it won't be selected.

If they want specifically ar platform then its diff issue but saying AK based rifle won't meet required QR is not true

 

[hollowdonuts13]

Yaman, Shayetet, Shaldag, Sayeret Matkal use it as their primary assault rifle replacing the M4A1s they bought from FN USA.

im pretty sure the tier 1s replaces their m4s with MCX variants

 

[username unkown]

What other rifles were they considering?

Jindal Taurus t 4
Car 816
Plr arad
AK 19 (rejected)
I dont see any chance for any other rifle but arad

 

[GhatiyaOperator]

im pretty sure the tier 1s replaces their m4s with MCX variants

They use arads in ops too in replacement of M4
Not very often but operator's choice . . .

 

[username unkown]

im pretty sure the tier 1s replaces their m4s with MCX variants

Yes you are correct
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpecOpsArchive/comments/17efxja/2_israeli_tier_1_raiders_from_shayetet_13_with/

And other units are still using old m4 i am yet to see arad with service within idf

 

[Arad Operator]

If they want specifically ar platform then its diff issue but saying AK based rifle won't meet required QR is not true

Read my reply again, 'they are looking for an AR pattern rifle IIRC' this line nowhere translates into 'AK based rifle won't meet the QR' as AK won't be competing in the first place if the requirement is for AR!

 

[Arad Operator]

im pretty sure the tier 1s replaces their m4s with MCX variants

MCX came late...

 

[username unkown]

Read my reply again, 'they are looking for an AR pattern rifle IIRC' this line nowhere translates into 'AK based rifle won't meet the QR' as AK won't be competing in the first place if the requirement is for AR!

If they want specifically ar platform then its diff issue

 

[VictorDelta4]

im pretty sure the tier 1s replaces their m4s with MCX variants

Yeah as far as I know Matkal and Shaldag were running MCX variants and YAMAM were running ARAD.
Active Duty were running M4 variants and other support units were with Tavors and shorty M16s.
Home defence were running M16s.
With the new standard rifles coming in the M4s will move to support units and Home defence will have Tavors/M4s.

 

[username unkown]

And other units are still using old m4 i am yet to see arad with service within idf

I was wrong i think idf tier 1 units are using sig mcx and arads but rest of all units are still rocking m4s

finding mcx or arad in idf is same as finding 3x magnifer with para

 

[johny_baba]

This mindset is one of the factors our Armed Forces is what it is today as far as small arms is concerned...

Let the forces buy what it finds suitable and meets the QRs? No!!

Force em to buy things that they don't want or the thing doesn't meet the QRs? Hell Yeah!!

Prime Example:- Our beloved INSAS ak Indian Small Arms System.

bhai, sir, whatever you are...

please don't go acidic at me at least regarding small arms procurement in our armed forces, the amount of stuff i've written about everything so far, on good old DFI, facebook discussion groups, teligram discussion groups and nowadays this forum itself says enough about my views about it,

and INSAS is shear 'false equivalence' case here, SF were given an option to induct that INSAS bullpup variant but they went ahead with Tavor TAR-21 anyways, no one ever forced them to get INSAS bullpup



i'll just tag @rkhanna bhai's post here to say about it further

Inside the M4A1 Block I Carbine: The Special Operations Origins of an American Icon​

Inside the M4A1 Block I Carbine: The Special Operations Origins of an American Icon

The M4A1 Block I wasn’t just a rifle—it was the quiet professional’s scalpel, a finely tuned instrument of American resolve born from necessity, honed by experience, and carried with purpose into the most unforgiving corners of the world.

sofrep.com

Imagine if a couple of Knowledgable and experienced SOF guys sat down with SSS Def and built a Carbine from the ground up with all their wishes and wants.

this is Arad


and this is SSSD's M72

this is seemingly short stroke version


coming back,
*IF* SSS Defense's M72 can satisfy their QR and is cheaper than ARAD, what's wrong with going ahead with that? perhaps SF guys could spend rest of the monies in procuring other gears like better headsets, optics, radios and all?

 

[Arad Operator]

Shayetet-13

 

[Arad Operator]

*IF* SSS Defense's M72 can satisfy their QR and is cheaper than ARAD, what's wrong with going ahead with that? perhaps SF guys could spend rest of the monies in procuring other gears like better headsets, optics, radios and all?

This is exactly what I'm trying to say, if a system meets the QR and FRs then it should be inducted. Be it Arad, Car-816, T4 or M72, but the catch is 'if'.

 

[johny_baba]

This is exactly what I'm trying to say, if a system meets the QR and FRs then it should be inducted. Be it Arad, Car-816, T4 or M72, but the catch is 'if'.

and why M72 can't ? because you literally said it this way

Let the forces buy what it finds suitable and meets the QRs? No!!

Force em to buy things that they don't want or the thing doesn't meet the QRs? Hell Yeah!!

why the forces don't wan't (the first part before 'or' here) M72, seemingly even *IF* it meets the QRs?

 

[Arad Operator]

and why M72 can't ? because you literally said it this way

When did I say that M72 can't meet the QR?

why the forces don't wan't (the first part before 'or' here) M72, seemingly even *IF* it meets the QRs?

This ws reply to the part where you mentioned that Arad is a good rifle but despite having the M72...

 

[VictorDelta4]

Yeah as far as I know Matkal and Shaldag were running MCX variants and YAMAM were running ARAD.
Active Duty were running M4 variants and other support units were with Tavors and shorty M16s.
Home defence were running M16s.
With the new standard rifles coming in the M4s will move to support units and Home defence will have Tavors/M4s.

S 13.

@johny_baba Do the suppressed one's look like a .300blk variant?

 

[johny_baba]

S 13.
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@johny_baba Do the suppressed one's look like a .300blk variant?
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nah it seems 9x19mm one, look at that magazine adapter thing just below the magazine well, takes Uzi mags
this was once called "micro tavor" MTAR-9 before it got common name in X-95 series

 

[VictorDelta4]

nah it seems 9x19mm one, look at that magazine adapter thing just below the magazine well, takes Uzi mags
this was once called "micro tavor" MTAR-9 before it got common name in X-95 series
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What about the sig MCX with the side folding stock.