Indian Special Forces

Maybe the armed security men have holed themselves up inside a few coaches , can't mount an offensive as they have very few rifles and are surrounded also only one selected lane of movement .
they can't even shoot from the windows as the thin skin coaches will be obliterated if baloch return fire .

its like they are armed but locked in a tin can wile being surrounded .
Jo bhi situation he..is situation me SSG ka tel nikal jaega.

I was thinking they are mostly civilians so ssg will go fully hot.

But the situation is tricky with so many soldiers..a wrong move and the army could rebel.

I must say if i think as a neutral person this would be difficult even for US or Europeans let alone a poorly armed and trained country in south asia.
 
Jo bhi situation he..is situation me SSG ka tel nikal jaega.

I was thinking they are mostly civilians so ssg will go fully hot.

But the situation is tricky with so many soldiers..a wrong move and the army could rebel.

I must say if i think as a neutral person this would be difficult even for US or Europeans let alone a poorly armed and trained country in south asia.
Fools sent a rescue train , what's it gonna do .
Diplomacy is the only hope they have .
 

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As a south Asian if you are stuck in such situation its safe to assume that if you survive God really loves you judging by the standards of SF units here.

Yes yes stack up and move slowly in open exposed ground. And then when there's cover, do a conga line and move and react as slow as possible. There I go ranting again, a bloody civvy who knows fuck all. I can't even get through one week peacefully.
 
Most of them are Army personnel..How can so many Army personnel surrrender and not fight in a active battlefield?

I know even our Gurkhas surrendered in Africa under UN cap but that isnt active battlefield.
They're probably unarmed. I remember several years ago while traveling on a train, the three compartments next to us were filled by army personnel and I did not see even a single firearm in sight across the three rail cars. There were just two RPF men roaming around who were carrying Insas. I spoke to one of the army guy who said they were being transferred from one base to another in a different state and they don't necessarily carry weapons during such moves (this was in South India)

In such scenarios, even a handful of men with weapons can take hostage 200+ army personnel with ease. Also, the train was stopped in a tunnel which makes it significantly harder to mount a rescue mission

Nevertheless, BLA should've picked a train in Punjab consisting of Punjabi pakis which makes PA & GoP feel the heat wherein Jaffar express (Quetta to Peshawar) might consist folks from tribal areas in the region
 
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Yes yes stack up and move slowly in open exposed ground. And then when there's cover, do a conga line and move and react as slow as possible. There I go ranting again, a bloody civvy who knows fuck all. I can't even get through one week peacefully.
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Yes yes stack up and move slowly in open exposed ground. And then when there's cover, do a conga line and move and react as slow as possible. There I go ranting again, a bloody civvy who knows fuck all. I can't even get through one week peacefully.
I think if i have to say it respectfully without hurting any fans..i would say we are really lucky to have excellent diplomatic skills and a pretty good Intelligence agency.

I think we are also not capable of handling any such ops.

Imagine the magnitude of this op…not only the train but the area around has to be sanitised.
They're probably unarmed. I remember several years ago while traveling on a train, the three compartments next to us were filled by army personnel and I did not see even a single firearm in sight across the three rail cars. There were just two RPF men roaming around who were carrying Insas. I spoke to one of the army guy who said they were being transferred from one base to another in a different state and they don't necessarily carry weapons during such moves (this was in South India)

In such scenarios, even a handful of men with weapons can take hostage 200+ army personnel with ease. Also, the train was stopped in a tunnel which makes it significantly harder to mount a rescue mission
In such places the Army provides some sort of protection to its troops.

And most soldiers keep knives while travelling in trains.

I dont know..lets wait till its over.
 
Jo bhi situation he..is situation me SSG ka tel nikal jaega.

I was thinking they are mostly civilians so ssg will go fully hot.

But the situation is tricky with so many soldiers..a wrong move and the army could rebel.

I must say if i think as a neutral person this would be difficult even for US or Europeans let alone a poorly armed and trained country in south asia.
The only Indian SF units I can think of who can possibly carry out a counter terrorist operation like this are MARCOS (VBSS/CQB) and NSG (SAG).

Para SF is not designed for these kinds of operations (assymetric) which is why they were not even considered during 26/11.

Para SF is more of US Army Ranger/ Green Beret specialist for conventional warfare.

GARUDS don't have a lot of operational experience.

Any local police/SWAT/QRT is best used for screening and chasing local leads.
 
The only Indian SF units I can think of who can possibly carry out a counter terrorist operation like this are MARCOS (VBSS/CQB) and NSG (SAG).

Para SF is not designed for these kinds of operations (assymetric) which is why they were not even considered during 26/11.

Para SF is more of US Army Ranger/ Green Beret specialist for conventional warfare.

GARUDS don't have a lot of operational experience.

Any local police/SWAT/QRT is best used for screening and chasing local leads.
Also I think SCTU, of SG

But let's hope we never get to see such a situation. I have seen British SF and Polish Grom video of simulating such an incident and those guys seem to practice it regularly
 
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Also I think SCTU, of SG

But let's hope we never get to see such a situation. I have seen British SF and Polish Grom video of simulating such an incident and those guys seem to practice it regularly
One rescue team of SSG has gotten ambushed and got casualties while approaching from mountain side.

Terrain all across is mountainous and is heavily compromised.

I dont think any of the Indian units by itself is capable of handling this aswell.

You will need Para SF,NSG and some other units to do this.

And the interoperability is laughable when i think of Pathankot.
 
The only Indian SF units I can think of who can possibly carry out a counter terrorist operation like this are MARCOS (VBSS/CQB) and NSG (SAG).

Para SF is not designed for these kinds of operations (assymetric) which is why they were not even considered during 26/11.

Para SF is more of US Army Ranger/ Green Beret specialist for conventional warfare.

GARUDS don't have a lot of operational experience.

Any local police/SWAT/QRT is best used for screening and chasing local leads.
We dont have the best Special forces BUT we do have one of the best Intel units in the form of RAW and IB.

Even ex CIA operators mention them with respect.

Time to remember them and respect them amid this pheeeling proud song.
 
One rescue team of SSG has gotten ambushed and got casualties while approaching from mountain side.

Terrain all across is mountainous and is heavily compromised.

I dont think any of the Indian units by itself is capable of handling this aswell.

You will need Para SF,NSG and some other units to do this.

And the interoperability is laughable when i think of Pathankot.
Any details on the SSG ambush and casualties?
 
We dont have the best Special forces BUT we do have one of the best Intel units in the form of RAW and IB.

Even ex CIA operators mention them with respect.

Time to remember them and respect them amid this pheeeling proud song.
RAW is sloppy too. Remember how it was caught with its pants down in the Pannu assassination attempt? Most of RAW's hits are hawala based contracts that might go south anytime. Worked well with TTP/Afghan Talibs/BLA but fucked up upon shifting to US/CAN
 
RAW is sloppy too. Remember how it was caught with its pants down in the Pannu assassination attempt? Most of RAW's hits are hawala based contracts that might go south anytime. Worked well with TTP/Afghan Talibs/BLA but fucked up upon shifting to US/CAN
Yea but still post 26/11 no major terror attack in cities on civilians..i think its commendable.
 
I went back to two chapters for my research here, I knew it would take time and I was busy with some work so I called this off for today. But I wanted to do this, you guys can recheck and share anything you want to:

  1. Chapter 6 Capt. Pawan Kumar (India’s most fearless 2
  2. Part 2 Chapter 4 Capt. Tushar Mahajan (Balidaan)

I said in my previous post that ‘if the enemy inside is prepared, they have ample time to set up crossfires….or bottleneck the entry point’……Parampore mei yehi hua tha

The team stepped into the hallway without properly clearing it or confirming the room's interior status. Before entering a hallway or room, every corner should be cleared, and positions should be secured to avoid ambushes. CQB tactics typically involve “bounding” forward or waiting for backup and the rest of the team to enter before engaging – Capt. Pawan kicked in the door after a failed breach attempt and went inside blocking the fatal funnel where he engaged the terrorist in extreme close quarters. Now you gotta give him that, this requires BALLS!

But even in Comm Vijay Rawat’s various interviews I have seen him mention how first two men enter a room and confirm that it’s safe for others to do so, IMO that’s a crappy trick, because it limits your fire power and control of the room, what if the two inside get killed ? Well wait, in Praveen Teotia’s case, him and his buddy engaged the first targets and as soon as Teotia was down, the rest of the team instead of lobbing in a stun or something had to leave him and find a way to extract him or distract terrorists or find hostages. Again, the enemy was prepared to use our tactics against us.

Now back to the story, effective communication under fire is crucial. The team should have a robust protocol to handle situations where gunfire drowns out regular communication, including hand signals, pre-set codes for emergency situations, and short radio bursts to convey essential information.

Then the good thing the 10 Para team did was that they went in and secured the high ground first, they decided to fight top to bottom. However the teams stormed in with limited mention of securing critical areas such as stairwells or choke points before entering rooms. Terrorists positioned on higher floors had clear lines of sight, which indicates a lack of immediate control over building access points.

Captain Tushar advances despite heavy fire, leading to being pinned down and suffering significant injuries. The squad appears to lack proper cover and coordination during engagement. Everytime you see Indian SF doing room clearance, they are treating it as a cover and move firefight. Our guys possibly utilized "bounding" or "leapfrogging" to minimize exposure. That is commendable. There should have been more reliance on suppressive fire and tactical positioning, where each member covers specific angles while another moves. Charging alone or moving without support in such an environment increases vulnerability of a single individual.

With all due respect, after our guy threw grenades to clear a room, he advanced without securing the room first, which led to being pinned down again. Again I am not commenting against his courage but I understand that all of this happened because of lack of centralized training and proper equipment. An explosive breacher trained in dynamic entry could’ve saved Cap Pawan’s life, a proper and constant communication could’ve had Ln Nk Om Prakash alive today. The teams appear to enter the building through a primary route, clearing rooms sequentially. Lack of multiple entry (I can understand that is NSG’s forte) could’ve made this operation much feasible.

This operation is a testament to the indomitable spirit of those who serve in the line of duty but it does so highlight the lack of proper standardized training we have, Capt Mahajan was the ‘CQB’ expert of 9 Para and wrote a manual on it, why was this not shared with other battalions so that everyone has a common SOP, 9 is doing differently than 10. Why ?

And again, the courage displayed by Captian Pawan Kumar, Captain Tushar Mahajan, Lance Naik Om Prakash, and the entire team during the hostage rescue operation is nothing short of extraordinary. These individuals exemplified selflessness, resilience, and an unwavering commitment to their mission and the safety of the hostages.
Thanks for going back to the books and writing this.

What I'd also like to add is Capt Mahajan was returning from a 72h op when he was redirected to Pampore.

He had trained with Seal Team 5 in CQB and even Om Prakash was part of SG but problem was lack of coordinated training, comms, and other stuff you mentioned.

Top down entry would have been better but the problem happened during RI anyway.

Lastly I don't think 9 Para or any other army SF unit is adequately trained in RI/CQB tbh. They're more suited for these ranger type cross border/long range recon ops and stuff.

Whenever I've read instances of them doing cqb before, they've been found to be lacking most of the time.

But still a good op considering they finished off the trts and cleared all hostages with such minimal support.

Afterall balls is what's keeping this nation alive!
 

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