Indo-China Border & LAC

[Azaad]

It's on!


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Your J-20 has not yet been certified with WS-15 TFs & TVC in spite of induction into PLAAF nearly a decade ago & you're just about inducting the J-35 / FC-31 though I'm not sure if they are certified with indigenous TFs which means both haven't yet received its FOC.

Now you're claiming first flight of the 6th Gen & it'd take a good 10-12 years before it receives its FOC . At this rate you'd come out with the world's first 7th Gen within 5 years by posting tweets here showing some contraption claiming first flight.

 

[rockdog]

Your J-20 has not yet been certified with WS-15 TFs & TVC in spite of induction into PLAAF nearly a decade ago & you're just about inducting the J-35 / FC-31 though I'm not sure if they are certified with indigenous TFs which means both haven't yet received its FOC.

Now you're claiming first flight of the 6th Gen & it'd take a good 10-12 years before it receives its FOC . At this rate you'd come out with the world's first 7th Gen within 5 years by posting tweets here showing some contraption claiming first flight.

The biggest mistake both China and India lagged behind on figthers in last 40 yrs, was treated engines as subsidiary project to fighter project, to China was ws-10 and Kaveri to India.

In fact, fighter and jet engine are two parrerall projects, which means if the new figher comes but the engine not ready, then the new fighter need to be designed accrodingly to mature one, and make the upgration in the later version once new engine ready to use.

Internally, Fighter from AVIC, and WS15 from ACEE are different buisness entity, so no problem if AVIC define its own product as new gen fighter.

 

[Anants]

What makes it 6th gen? Tailess delta? Or there are some features which makes it 6th gen?

 

[crazywithmath]

I would rather have India & China not fight but together kick Americans out of Eurasia for good. Deep state is enemy of India , Russia , PRC & all countries of Asia , Europe & Africa.

 

[rockdog]

What makes it 6th gen? Tailess delta? Or there are some features which makes it 6th gen?

More info will be updated on China weapon thread, we will be there, this is not the right place i think.

 

[Anants]

More info will be updated on China weapon thread, we will be there, this is not the right place i think.

Good waiting to hear.

 

[Azaad]

The biggest mistake both China and India lagged behind on figthers in last 40 yrs, was treated engines as subsidiary project to fighter project, to China was ws-10 and Kaveri to India.

Internally, Fighter from AVIC, and WS15 from ACEE are different buisness entity, so no problem if AVIC define its own product as new gen fighter.

In fact, fighter and jet engine are two parrerall projects, which means if the new figher comes but the engine not ready, then the new fighter need to be designed accrodingly to mature one, and make the upgration in the later version once new engine ready to use.

Tell me you don't know ANYTHING about Fighter Aircrafts without telling me you don't know ANYTHING about Fighter Aircrafts.

All Fighter Aircrafts are designed around engines namely Turbo Fans & here you expect us to believe both are mutually exclusive from each other with the development agencies for both of them working in silos.

 

[rockdog]

Tell me you don't know ANYTHING about Fighter Aircrafts without telling me you don't know ANYTHING about Fighter Aircrafts.

All Fighter Aircrafts are designed around engines namely Turbo Fans & here you expect us to believe both are mutually exclusive from each other with the development agencies for both of them working in silos.

Final reply to new figher in this thread, i quoted the interview of J20 chief desgienr in 2023, he is also the boss of this one, mentioned engine issue.

In early March 2023, Yang Wei, the chief designer of the J-20, revealed for the first time in an interview with CCTV the positioning of China's future sixth generation aircraft. While everyone was still immersed in the news of the US sixth generation aircraft, the chief engineer's words undoubtedly gave us a shot of stability.

Regarding the sixth generation aircraft, Chief Engineer Yang Wei emphasized three key points. Firstly, it can undergo deformation according to changes in flight altitude and space.

Let's watch this video. This is the world's first officially commissioned variable sweep wing fighter F111, as well as the upgraded MiG-23 based on the MiG21, which also adopts a variable wing design. Fighter jets with this design can instantly increase cruise lift when the wings are extended at small angles. This design is a variation of fighter jets.

The deformation of the sixth generation aircraft is a complete change in the shape of the entire fuselage and the external aerodynamic layout, which is much more complex than simple variable sweep wings.

The second point defined by the chief engineer for the sixth generation aircraft is the ability to break through traditional space and conduct trans atmospheric warfare, such as space or suborbital bombing operations.

The current fourth and fifth generation fighter jets are only suitable for aerial combat in dense atmospheres below 30000 meters due to their use of turbofans or turbojet engines.

In July 2022, the "Feitian-1" rocket ramjet combined power developed by the Aerospace Combined Power Team of Northwestern Polytechnical University was successfully launched from a base in Northwest China. This is a kerosene fuel rocket ramjet combined cycle engine that can operate in sub combustion mode at 4 to 5 times the speed of sound and supersonic mode at 5 to 6 times the speed of sound. Once mature, this engine will enable fighter jets to directly enter the hypersonic field.

 

[Hari Sud]

The other day news says China also has a missile which goes through water, air and space what not.

Chinese and western narratives

Dream on ….

 

[Azaad]

The second point defined by the chief engineer for the sixth generation aircraft is the ability to break through traditional space and conduct trans atmospheric warfare, such as space or suborbital bombing operations.

The current fourth and fifth generation fighter jets are only suitable for aerial combat in dense atmospheres below 30000 meters due to their use of turbofans or turbojet engines.

In July 2022, the "Feitian-1" rocket ramjet combined power developed by the Aerospace Combined Power Team of Northwestern Polytechnical University was successfully launched from a base in Northwest China. This is a kerosene fuel rocket ramjet combined cycle engine that can operate in sub combustion mode at 4 to 5 times the speed of sound and supersonic mode at 5 to 6 times the speed of sound. Once mature, this engine will enable fighter jets to directly enter the hypersonic field.

This is precisely why I wrote given your track record you will take a good 10-12 years for FOC. In the event neither the J-20 nor the FC-31 / J-35 have been certified FOC.

Arguably if the 6th Gen FA had requirements similar to your 5th Gen FA with certain if not all around enhancements to it , you'd have accomplished it in less than a decade given your experience in accomplishing these in the 5th Gen .

However the 6th Gen FA seem to be much more ambitious in its scope than what one foresaw. I'm predicting here & now with those requirements you'd need a good 18-20 development cycle.

Besides the CMC / PLAAF has in the past always come out with its first iteration & then over a period of time gone on to refine those designs over different iterations before achieving its goals which is why the J-10C is the definitive J-10 , the J-16 C (?) / D is the definitive J-16 & so on .

The same will be true of the J-20 , the J-35 / FC -31 & the same will be true for your 6th Gen FA .

 

[Mrpresident]

Kudos to China, we can all make fun of it but they have done some amazing work. I think at this point they are not even competing with us anymore, they are competing with US. I think one of the reason why they made peace with us on the border (For now).

 

[rockdog]

Kudos to China, we can all make fun of it but they have done some amazing work. I think at this point they are not even competing with us anymore, they are competing with US. I think one of the reason why they made peace with us on the border (For now).

We are strctural competitors of course, and with border conflicts.

But We people never wanted change your religon, slaughter your people.

Both nations have the same cultural or ideology enemy, these kind of people want change our believes and if not will kill us all.

We all know which color they are. This color and religon will also apply it to the whole world.

 

[daya]

I would rather have India & China not fight but together kick Americans out of Eurasia for good. Deep state is enemy of India , Russia , PRC & all countries of Asia , Europe & Africa.

jab sab dushman hai to kaise chalega.. ye to waisa hua ki middle east aur paki-afghani terrorism me amreeka ki chaal bata dete hain.. amreeka ne bhadkaya.. amreeka tel ke chakkar me kar raha hai... fir wo kya kar rahe hain.. dimag se paidal hain.. same idhar.. deep state... america.. apne yaha log anti-national stand le rahe hain.. kya over aur kya covert kuchh nahi kar pa rahe.. blame it on Rio..

 

[hurrians]

‘Blocking positions’ (hindrances to patrols) have been removed by both sides and joint verification has been completed, it added.

MSN

.as experts say China gained valuable experience/insights by its coercive operation near the LAC ,including but not limited to US India cooperation, Indian strength and vulnerability, it's troops gained real life op experience by being posted in near war situation along harsh terrain.

.China didn't escalate to war but kept the pot boiling

.op snow leopard it seems was a shining example of IA tactics

.koi nahi gusa and continuation of trade gave a semblance of normalcy

.China deescalated just before the return of Trump "TG" and also at a time when it's economy was slowing

 

[hurrians]

or the experts may be wrong and the de-escalation was solely due to chai biscoot sessions and convincing power of babus.

 

[Blademaster]

or the experts may be wrong and the de-escalation was solely due to chai biscoot sessions and convincing power of babus.

Maybe it was a case of the PLA officers screaming to the CCP “god no more of these damn biscoot sessions. I can’t take it anymore. Either give us the order to invade or withdraw.”

 

[Anants]

Maybe it was a case of the PLA officers screaming to the CCP “god no more of these damn biscoot sessions. I can’t take it anymore. Either give us the order to invade or withdraw.”

Or Tibet dam building can go hinderance free....

 

[Azaad]

We are strctural competitors of course, and with border conflicts.

But We people never wanted change your religon, slaughter your people.

Both nations have the same cultural or ideology enemy, these kind of people want change our believes and if not will kill us all.

We all know which color they are. This color and religon will also apply it to the whole world.

So ? Does that mean we accept your overlordship ? We didn't exactly fight for our independence to trade it for another kind of dependence or to be a vassal to some other power.

When we haven't done so with the USSR earlier or the US now what makes the CCP think we'd do so with China in the future ?

Your sphere of influence is East Asia not Central Asia where we've traditionally shared it with Iran & SE Asia where we've dominated with China sharing the space there .

It's not South Asia which is our sphere of influence & from there to the East North & South Coast of Africa to the Persian Gulf & the Middle East.

 

[Azaad]

Or Tibet dam building can go hinderance free....

They're playing with fire for more reasons than one. The land they're planning to build the mega dam on is a high seismic activity zone which risks not just that dam but all of the surrounding areas which includes all of Tibet , Nepal , other states of ours with the Himalayas & the plains by the Himalayas .

This is apart from the diversion of water which'd affect Bangladesh more than it does us but we'd be facing the brunt of that with an increase in illegal migration from their end .

GoI should put its foot down & register a strong protest attempting to take BD with it , not that they've either the inclination or the sagacity to be far sighted but we need to graduate our protests in a phased manner.

We absolutely cannot let this go through without any reaction from our end & I mean a strong reaction not just token statements from the MEA.

 

[Illusive]

I don't know how we call it sixth gen without confirmation of the tech used. But definitely China has taken tech leap in aviation rapidly. There is a lot of unknown of how these things will perform but we know that the learning curve is very short and rapid improvements will be deployed.