Indo Pak Border & LOC

[silentassassin265]

View attachment 29305If you looks at this pop density map of Pakistan, there is a huge empty space outside indus belt, this is crucial, if our armored columns can break this line then it would a dash to durand line through Balochistan.

Now karachi is important here cause its like 50% of porkistan's gdp and literally pretty much all of their export comes through Karachi port, cutting it off or even putting it under constant threat would easily crumble their economy. the most intense fighting will happen along the Pak punjab to POK belt, this where best of their forces and numbers are stationed.

Thar desert is not easy to cross but high risk high reward, we can easily cut off karachi after taking rural Sindh

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Thar desert is not easy to cross but high risk high reward, we can easily cut off karachi after taking rural Sindh

Navy will have to neutralize paki naval assets first a operation and target their built up in sindh, crossing thar is a matter of not being picked up by small enemy anti armor units. Pakis lost at Longewala because they had no answer to anti armor tactics.

 

[Azaad]

Navy will have to neutralize paki naval assets first a operation and target their built up in sindh, crossing thar is a matter of not being picked up by small enemy anti armor units. Pakis lost at Longewala because they had no answer to anti armor tactics.

Everything being discussed here for the past page or 2 has been war gamed resulting in the Cold Start Doctrine more than 2 decades ago, which envisaged bisecting Paxtan into 2 separate halves courtesy a rapid massive armoured thrust through the Cholistan desert isolating the Punjab front from the rest of the country & which in turn made Fauji Foundation adopt brown as their uniform camouflage for obvious reasons resulting in their now favourite response in bringing tactical nukes vide the Nasr, Hatf etc .for usage on these formations in Paxtan.

This in turn prompted Indian security managers notably the then Head of the NSAB former FS Sham Saran to publicly reiterate our N use policy which is - any attack on our territory or assets, irrespective of casualties involving N weapons however infinitesimally small their yield would automatically trigger massive N retaliation by India . Furthermore pre emptory strikes or Counter Force targeting of their N assets , with or without N weapons would also be on the table. This was reiterated years later by Manohar Parrikar which generated another storm.

All these developments are old news.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Everything being discussed here for the past page or 2 has been war gamed resulting in the Cold Start Doctrine more than 2 decades ago, which envisaged bisecting Paxtan into 2 separate halves courtesy a rapid massive armoured thrust through the Cholistan desert isolating the Punjab front from the rest of the country & which in turn made Fauji Foundation adopt brown as their uniform camouflage for obvious reasons resulting in their now favourite response in bringing tactical nukes vide the Nasr, Hatf etc .for usage on these formations in Paxtan.

This in turn prompted Indian security managers notably the then Head of the NSAB former FS Sham Saran to publicly reiterate our N use policy which is - any attack on our territory or assets, irrespective of casualties involving N weapons however infinitesimally small their yield would automatically trigger massive N retaliation by India . Furthermore pre emptory strikes or Counter Force targeting of their N assets , with or without N weapons would also be on the table. This was reiterated years later by Manohar Parrikar which generated another storm.

All these developments are old news.

Does it factor chinese moving around their forces near LAC and Arunchal to deter India, or the attack can be quick enough to defeat pakistan before china can help ?

 

[concard]

Just a question from my side.

Do we always to react to Porki filth ceasefire violations where in they give cover for their haramis to infiltrate? Or are our military is proactive as in every now and then we decide some of their scum should die?

There is something not adding up. During Parrikar time as Defense minister we had Swati Radar installed which made firing artillery rounds difficult for Porkis as they would be detected and their location destroyed. Now in 2025, can we not locate all their positions by Aerostat radar and through satellite imagery destroy their positions and kill their scum? Shouldn't we be the party to decide when peace prevails and when it doesn't? In my opinion we should have a target of killing 1,000 Porki scum in uniform who are on LoC every year. They should fear to even be a guard at LoC.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Just a question from my side.

Do we always to react to Porki filth ceasefire violations where in they give cover for their haramis to infiltrate? Or are our military is proactive as in every now and then we decide some of their scum should die?

There is something not adding up. During Parrikar time as Defense minister we had Swati Radar installed which made firing artillery rounds difficult for Porkis as they would be detected and their location destroyed. Now in 2025, can we not locate all their positions by Aerostat radar and through satellite imagery destroy their positions and kill their scum? Shouldn't we be the party to decide when peace prevails and when it doesn't? In my opinion we should have a target of killing 1,000 Porki scum in uniform who are on LoC every year. They should fear to even be a guard at LoC.

If we can see them, they can too, it can easily became a minor artillery duel. IG govt doesn't want a situation like that.

 

[Azaad]

Does it factor chinese moving around their forces near LAC and Arunchal to deter India, or the attack can be quick enough to defeat pakistan before china can help ?

Back in the day when CSD was formulated our security managers didn't see the Chinese as an overtly hostile power. Why? For starters Doklam & Galwan were in the future as was repealing Article 370.

For more nuanced answers on our perception of Chinese intentions, I'd have to ask you to vet online programs featuring Sham Saran, Shiv Shankar Menon, Ashok Kantha etc to get an insight into their current thought process & from there you can trace a backward arc to programs featuring these personalities a decade back & beyond to see why they were totally clueless to Chinese intentions ( still are) , believe deterrence will prevail over the Chinese ( development of border infrastructure, connectivity, etc) instead of developing military power well within our means ( the thinking still prevails btw) & eventually culminated in little discoveries lay people like us have now stumbled upon unintentionally viz - moves like why former DG Artillery Lt Gen P Ravi Shankar normally loquacious to a fault , to get tongue tied when discussing why the ATAGS doesn't pass the weight test for the simple reason the IA didn't envisage the ATAGS for a role across the LAC for which they had the M-777 in meager quantities.

But of course if he were to admit to it, he'd be laying bare the utter failure in strategic thinking across institutions at the highest level from the MEA to the IA to the China Study Group ( CSG) under the PMO etc.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Back in the day when CSD was formulated our security managers didn't see the Chinese as an overtly hostile power. Why? For starters Doklam & Galwan were in the future as was repealing Article 370.

For more nuanced answers on our perception of Chinese intentions, I'd have to ask you to vet online programs featuring Sham Saran, Shiv Shankar Menon, Ashok Kantha etc to get an insight into their current thought process & from there you can trace a backward arc to programs featuring these personalities a decade back & beyond to see why they were totally clueless to Chinese intentions ( still are) , believe deterrence will prevail over the Chinese ( development of border infrastructure, connectivity, etc) instead of developing military power well within our means ( the thinking still prevails btw) & eventually culminated in little discoveries lay people like us have now stumbled upon unintentionally viz - moves like why former DG Artillery Lt Gen P Ravi Shankar normally loquacious to a fault , to get tongue tied when discussing why the ATAGS doesn't pass the weight test for the simple reason the IA didn't envisage the ATAGS for a role across the LAC for which they had the M-777 in meager quantities.

But of course if he were to admit to it, he'd be laying bare the utter failure in strategic thinking across institutions at the highest level from the MEA to the IA to the China Study Group ( CSG) under the PMO etc.

If we assume there would help from china, what are our options in that case ? Cutoff Karakorum highway to prevent Chinese from supplying pakis with material ? that is a probably what will happen. Re-enforcing Ladakh with strike corps/IBGs to deter Chinese is something I have been hear since Galwan incursion.

What about 5th gen jet, Project kusha and preemptive strike and destruction of paki aviation facilities will help in that.

 

[ezsasa]

Just a question from my side.

Do we always to react to Porki filth ceasefire violations where in they give cover for their haramis to infiltrate? Or are our military is proactive as in every now and then we decide some of their scum should die?

There is something not adding up. During Parrikar time as Defense minister we had Swati Radar installed which made firing artillery rounds difficult for Porkis as they would be detected and their location destroyed. Now in 2025, can we not locate all their positions by Aerostat radar and through satellite imagery destroy their positions and kill their scum? Shouldn't we be the party to decide when peace prevails and when it doesn't? In my opinion we should have a target of killing 1,000 Porki scum in uniform who are on LoC every year. They should fear to even be a guard at LoC.

1000 per year is a very big number, even kargil level mobilisation and arty bombardment does not create such high fatalities numbers.

check our numbers when IA was dumping 30 thousand mortars per day from late 2014 to mid 2015. pakis claim similar number of fatalities on their side during this period.

Ceasefire Violations by Pakistan

 

[Azaad]

If we assume there would help from china, what are our options in that case ? Cutoff Karakorum highway to prevent Chinese from supplying pakis with material ? that is a probably what will happen. Re-enforcing Ladakh with strike corps/IBGs to deter Chinese is something I have been hear since Galwan incursion.

What about 5th gen jet, Project kusha and preemptive strike and destruction of paki aviation facilities will help in that.

A 2 front war will be Nuclear. Ideally it should start out as one & not culminate in one especially on our western front though I'm not sure this administration has the balls to consider such a move unlike IG where such a thought process wouldn't even be debated by us .

Such was the public confidence in her steel.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

A 2 front war will be Nuclear. Ideally it should start out as one & not culminate in one especially on our western front though I'm not sure this administration has the balls to consider such a move unlike IG where such a thought process wouldn't even be debated by us .

Such was the public confidence in her steel.

I agree with this so much, no first use is a holier than thou policy, in a 2 front war pakis need to be exterminated. however we can cause pretty nasty damage to them by demolishing various dams in pakjab and sindh, we need to also turn places like lahore, karachi peshwar into gaza.

 

[concard]

A 2 front war will be Nuclear. Ideally it should start out as one & not culminate in one especially on our western front though I'm not sure this administration has the balls to consider such a move unlike IG where such a thought process wouldn't even be debated by us .

Such was the public confidence in her steel.

Chinese had a military drill around Taiwan yesterday. I don't think this is accidental. They are slowly preparing for war to take over Taiwan. I highly doubt Trump will allow US to get involved as he has consistently claimed he will be a "Anti-war" President. All these nice cuddly overtures towards India is only to make sure this side of the border stays peaceful while they achieve their goals. Xi is serving 3rd term. It was anyway a foregone conclusion when he lifted term restrictions. However, getting another term requires solid backing. And that can only happen if he takes over Taiwan. Giving a speech every year about taking over Taiwan and reunification makes him look like a clown. I mean even Modi who would love to take over PoK has never said in any of his speeches what he intends to do.

Given Trump's attitude towards Japan and Korea who are close allies of US, I highly doubt he will allow US military to get involved. He even vented against Taiwan accusing them of taking their chip industry. This moron does not even know how Taiwan built their chip industry in the first place. Europeans are busy with Ukraine. I think it will be a cakewalk for China. The best Trump will do is sanctions which will have no effect. Unless deep state in Pentagon pushes him to war he will not even lift a finger. I thought we could avoid a 2 front war by going against China when they move against Taiwan since they were in a hurry to do so. After Taiwan, they will push their luck and try to make territorial gains in all directions. As they say history rhymes. Hitler also pushed his luck with Sudetenland, Austria, and Czechoslovakia, until his luck ran out when he made a move against Poland.

 

[Azaad]

Chinese had a military drill around Taiwan yesterday. I don't think this is accidental. They are slowly preparing for war to take over Taiwan. I highly doubt Trump will allow US to get involved as he has consistently claimed he will be a "Anti-war" President. All these nice cuddly overtures towards India is only to make sure this side of the border stays peaceful while they achieve their goals. Xi is serving 3rd term. It was anyway a foregone conclusion when he lifted term restrictions. However, getting another term requires solid backing. And that can only happen if he takes over Taiwan. Giving a speech every year about taking over Taiwan and reunification makes him look like a clown. I mean even Modi who would love to take over PoK has never said in any of his speeches what he intends to do.

Given Trump's attitude towards Japan and Korea who are close allies of US, I highly doubt he will allow US military to get involved. He even vented against Taiwan accusing them of taking their chip industry. This moron does not even know how Taiwan built their chip industry in the first place. Europeans are busy with Ukraine. I think it will be a cakewalk for China. The best Trump will do is sanctions which will have no effect. Unless deep state in Pentagon pushes him to war he will not even lift a finger. I thought we could avoid a 2 front war by going against China when they move against Taiwan since they were in a hurry to do so. After Taiwan, they will push their luck and try to make territorial gains in all directions. As they say history rhymes. Hitler also pushed his luck with Sudetenland, Austria, and Czechoslovakia, until his luck ran out when he made a move against Poland.

To begin with while Xi would want to take over Taiwan as of yesterday , China's war preparations are not yet complete. By their own calculations they're scheduled to complete their modernization & theater ization by 2027-28 . Add a year or two as buffer.

What this means is by the time China's ready to make its moves on Taiwan , Trump's successor would be in the WH.

Trump's job is to seed chaos like The Joker in The Dark Knight , a job which he's understood & implementing perfectly.

Levity apart , for him to pivot totally to the Indo Pacific , he's to first tie up all the loose ends beginning with Ukraine followed by the ME wherein there're multiple players from the Palestinians to the Houthis to the Iranians who need to be sorted out & diverse allies from KSA to UAE to Egypt to Turkey to Jordan etc all of whose interests have to be accomodated none more important than Israel.

In the meanwhile , it's sanctions time. How this affects the economy of the world and more to the point the important economies in it from US to China to the EU & various important constituents of it like Germany , France etc will be determined to a great extent by their appetite to withstand the fallout which in turn will dictate if they fall in line with requirements of the US.

I for one don't think the US can sit this one out nor is Trump the peacenik he's trying to portray himself to be. At the end of the day that man is a megalomaniac , he's more interested in ratings & how posterity remembers him which in his simplistic calculations is how much TRP is his reality show - The White House : Season 2 is getting.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Fresh CFV in Krishna Ghati sector.

Ceasefire is officially over anyway after yesterday’s beating


View: https://x.com/fromgursimran/status/1907464782346699004?s=46

 

[maximus777]

Just a question from my side.

Do we always to react to Porki filth ceasefire violations where in they give cover for their haramis to infiltrate? Or are our military is proactive as in every now and then we decide some of their scum should die?

There is something not adding up. During Parrikar time as Defense minister we had Swati Radar installed which made firing artillery rounds difficult for Porkis as they would be detected and their location destroyed. Now in 2025, can we not locate all their positions by Aerostat radar and through satellite imagery destroy their positions and kill their scum? Shouldn't we be the party to decide when peace prevails and when it doesn't? In my opinion we should have a target of killing 1,000 Porki scum in uniform who are on LoC every year. They should fear to even be a guard at LoC.

This!! Make it costly for them to create mischief!! Whether its peace or war at the border needs to be at our discretion, not theirs!

 

[daya]

I don't see how this statement

The statement sounds so timid and trying to appease pak army not to escalate. could have fired shots into the air instead of controlled firing, if we are so concerned about the enemy getting killed

sounds timid, feels pretty monotone to me

Yes, why controlled firing... 155 mm shots should be fired and " We retaliated in a befitting manner and shelled heavily so that this will set an example..." aisa hona chahiye tha..

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Yes, why controlled firing... 155 mm shots should be fired and " We retaliated in a befitting manner and shelled heavily so that this will set an example..." aisa hona chahiye tha..

I have been advocating for howitzers to roar since their last year, IMO not sure that going on with jernails.

 

[Vinod Patter]

Chinese had a military drill around Taiwan yesterday. I don't think this is accidental. They are slowly preparing for war to take over Taiwan. I highly doubt Trump will allow US to get involved as he has consistently claimed he will be a "Anti-war" President. All these nice cuddly overtures towards India is only to make sure this side of the border stays peaceful while they achieve their goals. Xi is serving 3rd term. It was anyway a foregone conclusion when he lifted term restrictions. However, getting another term requires solid backing. And that can only happen if he takes over Taiwan. Giving a speech every year about taking over Taiwan and reunification makes him look like a clown. I mean even Modi who would love to take over PoK has never said in any of his speeches what he intends to do.

Given Trump's attitude towards Japan and Korea who are close allies of US, I highly doubt he will allow US military to get involved. He even vented against Taiwan accusing them of taking their chip industry. This moron does not even know how Taiwan built their chip industry in the first place. Europeans are busy with Ukraine. I think it will be a cakewalk for China. The best Trump will do is sanctions which will have no effect. Unless deep state in Pentagon pushes him to war he will not even lift a finger. I thought we could avoid a 2 front war by going against China when they move against Taiwan since they were in a hurry to do so. After Taiwan, they will push their luck and try to make territorial gains in all directions. As they say history rhymes. Hitler also pushed his luck with Sudetenland, Austria, and Czechoslovakia, until his luck ran out when he made a move against Poland.

Then why Americans are deploying Aircraft carriers and Bombers in middle east if Trump is anti interventionist in his attitude ?

 

[Viper316]

Fresh CFV in Krishna Ghati sector.

Ceasefire is officially over anyway after yesterday’s beating


View: https://x.com/fromgursimran/status/1907464782346699004?s=46

Any update on the CFV today. ?

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Any update on the CFV today. ?

you might have to head to twtter/X