Indo US Relations

[Anupu]

Michael Rubin clarifies Trump's behavior:-


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY-cUI0Un30

Micheal Rubin is not in the Oval Office the orange moron is. A couple of months back he fired his India desk head in the NSA on the recommendation of laura loomer who not only hates Indians. She leads his “loyalty” inquisition, the impotent way in which he dealt with USAID along with his elund musk all reeks incompetence and sycophancy.

While we have bended over backwards to accommodate his companies his social media conglomerates, starlink, we were even considering his shitty strykers.

What is the strategy here? The only one I can see is we are eating this bitterness because US is incapable of maintaining both US dollar as reserve currency and rebuild its manufacturing. This is all based on recreation of the export led manufacturing boom which came about in china and south east Asia.

I am not sure how much of this strategy will work.

 

[Knowitall]

It's not just for the engine but for everything defense.
Pushing of any deshi maal you see is not because it is deshi but because it is cheaper rather than gold-plated imports that cost arm and leg

With China and US both reaching for a trade deal India will have to find alternative in house solutions for manufacturing.

DS has been pushing for a G2 world for a long time now and India needs to read the room.

 

[Tumba]

Micheal Rubin is not in the Oval Office the orange moron is. A couple of months back he fired his India desk head in the NSA on the recommendation of laura loomer who not only hates Indians. She leads his “loyalty” inquisition, the impotent way in which he dealt with USAID along with his elund musk all reeks incompetence and sycophancy.

While we have bended over backwards to accommodate his companies his social media conglomerates, starlink, we were even considering his shitty strykers.

What is the strategy here? The only one I can see is we are eating this bitterness because US is incapable of maintaining both US dollar as reserve currency and rebuild its manufacturing. This is all based on recreation of the export led manufacturing boom which came about in china and south east Asia.

I am not sure how much of this strategy will work.

Well India cant fight with China and USA ... atleast one of the big boy needs to be more or less neutral terms.. chinese big boy is using its inbred dog on India and USA is saving the same dog by IMF loans.

Its better to go slow for now, let the things kool down dont go for any trade deal for USA keep things in slow burner let it give time.. wait and watch

 

[Anupu]

Bwahahahahahaha



View: https://twitter.com/karolineleavitt/status/1922926564041248867

I do not have much hope but hopefully, more and more of our resident trump simps would start to see through the orange orangutan.

Filth.

 

[Anupu]

Well India cant fight with China and USA ... atleast one of the big boy needs to be more or less neutral terms.. chinese big boy is using its inbred dog on India and USA is saving the same dog by IMF loans.

Its better to go slow for now, let the things kool down dont go for any trade deal for USA keep things in slow burner let it give time.. wait and watch

We don’t need china and US to invest in ourselves. In our productivity growth. As I said “happy” distances. We need to focus on our security challenges and be decisive when opportunity presents itself (like it just did and we let it go again) that only happens if the strategy is based on your own two feet not on dependence from some foreign benefactor.

I have read a lot of BJPs rhetoric it’s social media brigade they have invested a lot in this US India relationship and Trump. I am happy this crisis came as a rude shock after many rude shocks we have already received. We can’t compete with them both if we don’t even attempt to.

 

[shade2]

With China and US both reaching for a trade deal India will have to find alternative in house solutions for manufacturing.

DS has been pushing for a G2 world for a long time now and India needs to read the room.

China US trade deal is a temp stopgap, the trajectory is manufacturing moving away from China, mainly because the current arrangement is both sides have each others balls in their hands.

China is working towards getting it's balls out of uncle's grasp, uncle is doing the same.
I think China will be successful first

All the Orange Ape's drama could do is force Apple to move to some SEAsian r*andikhana country for manufacturing rather than doubling down in India.

 

[Knowitall]

Go through the posts self-stroking perverted duffer.

You lied, I caught your lie and asked you to explain.

the duffer you are, started abusing.
When you get abused back, you play the victim.

Why don't you go through my first reply to your post. Did I abuse you? Why the F would you abuse me at that point? is something wrong with your genes? or abuse is you duffers default mode?

YOU said we don't fund jet engines, when your lie got caught, you changed the tune to "not enough funding" and added abuses.

you self-strokers have been creating your own lying narratives for few weeks now.
Not only are you pathetic duffers ignorant but also abusive.

What lie is that years have gone by with no funding being allocated you cannot talk about minor investments and call it a day. Don't try and get out this in wordplay when discussion are taking place in a broad format.

Also you are worthy of all the abuse you get here by everyone.

Straight from the mouth of DRDO chief.

Stressing the need to improve R&D spending and defence budget, the DRDO chairman stated that India spends a minuscule 0.65% of the GDP in the sector, compared to the US at 2.83% and China at 2.14% of their GDP.

 

[chnvipgz]

Only way ahead is neutralizing mlecchas by gharwapsi and other initiatives in india and make india a hindurastra through demography.Secondly stop ladli behena shit,ban money on sociology dept and humanities across india and invest in technical research.Remove low merit cast quota in national security apparatus like drdo,isro etc.

 

[Knowitall]

From swarmymag itself.

When Prime Minister Narendra Modi visited France in July 2023, it was stated that a roadmap would be announced by the end of 2023 for joint collaboration on the new jet engine.

But, as is usual with the workings of India's Defence Ministry (MoD), when that roadmap will be announced is anybody's guess.
There has been no visible forward movement in the programme, at least not in the public domain, with the MoD and DRDO still holding talks with both Britain and France.
This is despite knowing fully well that developing a new clean-sheet high-thrust engine takes well over a decade of concerted efforts, and billions in investment.

Moreover, the lack of testing facilities, specifically a flying testbed (FTB), is another handicap in the development of the engine. Flying testbeds are aircraft on which an experimental test engine can be mounted, tested, and certified in a safe manner.
It is for this reason that GTRE has to take the Kaveri engine prototype to Russia, mount it on an IL-76 FTB, and fly it — the latest being in February 2023.
Acquiring an FTB has been a long-pending demand of DRDO that has repeatedly fallen on deaf ears within the MoD.

 

[Knowitall]

Further notes

So, what ails the Kaveri programme? Largely, the blame lies with the way the organisation is structured, managed and funded. Inconsistent funding that doesn't match the development timeline/cycle has been one of the primary banes of the project. Flight testing needs to happen in India and requires generous funding.

Lastly, without a revolving door at research organisations, we are denying entry to experts, fostering a lazy workforce within, with no exit for poor performers. GTRE would be rushing to GE/Pratt Whitney next time when they come up with a better technology.

The sooner Indian establishment realises that technological know-how is not an entitlement for nation states and that significant time and resources need to be invested on a mission mode to achieve goals, the better for India’s path to a technological super power.

 

[Tumba]

We don’t need china and US to invest in ourselves. In our productivity growth. As I said “happy” distances. We need to focus on our security challenges and be decisive when opportunity presents itself (like it just did and we let it go again) that only happens if the strategy is based on your own two feet not on dependence from some foreign benefactor.

I have read a lot of BJPs rhetoric it’s social media brigade they have invested a lot in this US India relationship and Trump. I am happy this crisis came as a rude shock after many rude shocks we have already received. We can’t compete with them both if we don’t even attempt to.

I dont see any BJP angle here, BJP literally blamed US Department of State to run anti India agenda through its proxies inside India in Sep 2024.

And regarding need for investment, its just not money its the manufacturing knowledge, practices and machinaries that investment from USA and China brings, India is still not high enough on high tech export sector to develop any manufacturing set ups of our own, so only decision India can do is try to keep her head low and increase the comprehensive national power to a level where in both military and economy terms we are fully independent and can see eye to eye to any big boys.

 

[Prasad]

What lie is that years have gone by with no funding being allocated you cannot talk about minor investments and call it a day. Don't try and get out this in wordplay when discussion are taking place in a broad format.

Also you are worthy of all the abuse you get here by everyone.

Straight from the mouth of DRDO chief.

Stressing the need to improve R&D spending and defence budget, the DRDO chairman stated that India spends a minuscule 0.65% of the GDP in the sector, compared to the US at 2.83% and China at 2.14% of their GDP.

And you lot are worthy of all the abuses I give you every day as well.

The lie - you said we don't fund Jet Engines,

Anything you say after the first lie without acknowledging the said lie is what makes your kind worthy of my abuse & you deserve a lot more abuse than you lot are getting from now. YOU guys earn the abuse by your lies and chicanery.

You were not stressing the need to improve R&D. You were straight up lying.
If you did, I would have gladly agreed with what you said.
But, you just lied straight up and when caught pants down, started abusing me.

Btw, Jet Engines take a lot of time, brains and luck to get them right.
Just ask the Chinese.
The idea that you throw a lot of money and it would give results is such a cliched take.

I do think GOI needs to invest a lot more money in Jet Engines.
I just don't think DRDO is cut out for developing this kind of absolutely top of the line cutting edge technology in Jet Engines.
Answer lies else-where.

 

[Tumba]

Further notes

So, what ails the Kaveri programme? Largely, the blame lies with the way the organisation is structured, managed and funded. Inconsistent funding that doesn't match the development timeline/cycle has been one of the primary banes of the project. Flight testing needs to happen in India and requires generous funding.

Lastly, without a revolving door at research organisations, we are denying entry to experts, fostering a lazy workforce within, with no exit for poor performers. GTRE would be rushing to GE/Pratt Whitney next time when they come up with a better technology.

The sooner Indian establishment realises that technological know-how is not an entitlement for nation states and that significant time and resources need to be invested on a mission mode to achieve goals, the better for India’s path to a technological super power.

GTRE literally asked Govt to bring in foreign partners when they were not able to crack hot section for even 85 KN category, despite throwing the money they required. hence the various programs to pull some western firms to do JV on hot section which probably will result in nothing also but
people need to understand all these Turbo Fans are built on Turbo Jets and India sadly abandandon its Turbo Jet program and jumped for Turbo fans, if India first perfected Turbo jet Kaveri would be reality by now, right now there is no short cut, Govt is putting the money being asked by GTRE and involving various Indian private partner and foreign for any future roadmap.

 

[Anupu]

Lastly, without a revolving door at research organisations, we are denying entry to experts, fostering a lazy workforce within, with no exit for poor performers. GTRE would be rushing to GE/Pratt Whitney next time when they come up with a better

The same lazy workforce have delivered world class systems at a fraction of the cost.

One thing I have learned from working with some of the smartest people in R&D in my field. Infrastructure matters a lot more iteration speed is king. The speed at which can generate hypothesis design experiments test and commercialize is all that matters. Individual brilliance is overrated.

 

[Wayfarer]

View: https://x.com/SaffronSunanda/status/1922723858810855626?t=_0p6OrGKToyYqM9ZVYn8UQ&s=19

 

[Knowitall]

And you lot are worthy of all the abuses I give you every day as well.

The lie - you said we don't fund Jet Engines,

Anything you say after the first lie without acknowledging the said lie is what makes your kind worthy of my abuse & you deserve a lot more abuse than you lot are getting from now. YOU guys earn the abuse by your lies and chicanery.

You were not stressing the need to improve R&D. You were straight up lying.
If you did, I would have gladly agreed with what you said.
But, you just lied straight up and when caught pants down, started abusing me.

Btw, Jet Engines take a lot of time, brains and luck to get them right.
Just ask the Chinese.
The idea that you throw a lot of money and it would give results is such a cliched take.

I do think GOI needs to invest a lot more money in Jet Engines.
I just don't think DRDO is cut out for developing this kind of absolutely top of the line cutting edge technology in Jet Engines.
Answer lies else-where.

You can do all the wordplay you want the fact is bar initial investment there has been nothing at all.

The absolute short shortsightedness of the govt to not fund indigenous jet engines is downright appalling.

This line that you keep on harping about was made in the sense that no additional funding has been granted with the basic funding a well known fact. You can twist it all you want i will not waste a single second on a 2 rupee IT cell coolie like you thats gets abused on this forum day and night by people.

 

[Anupu]

I dont see any BJP angle here, BJP literally blamed US Department of State to run anti India agenda through its proxies inside India in Sep 2024.

And regarding need for investment, its just not money its the manufacturing knowledge, practices and machinaries that investment from USA and China brings, India is still not high enough on high tech export sector to develop any manufacturing set ups of our own, so only decision India can do is try to keep her head low and increase the comprehensive national power to a level where in both military and economy terms we are fully independent and can see eye to eye to any big boys.

The current Modi administration has bet big on Trump to deny that would be to lie to oneself. I don’t doubt there intentions just the strategy.

As for american control of manufacturing which manufacturing tech actually comes from US. Most of it is in Germany and Japan.

With American manufacturing focused on niche areas like aerospace and even their Boeing is a meme when compared to Airbus.

America hold the keys to global capital thier markets are deep and liquid it makes them the global trade hub. Not the manufacturing powerhouse.

Our conglomerates have to leave this chalta hai attitude go out and buy tech, or invest in local startup’s to recreate it. They are doing it on some level much more is needed.

 

[Knowitall]

The same lazy workforce have delivered world class systems at a fraction of the cost.

One thing I have learned from working with some of the smartest people in R&D in my field. Infrastructure matters a lot more iteration speed is king. The speed at which can generate hypothesis design experiments test and commercialize is all that matters. Individual brilliance is overrated.

It really varies from organisation to organisation. Some like DRDO can perform exceptionally some like OFB will always stay behind.

 

[shade2]

You can do all the wordplay you want the fact is bar initial investment there has been nothing at all.

The absolute short shortsightedness of the govt to not fund indigenous jet engines is downright appalling.

This line that you keep on harping about was made in the sense that no additional funding has been granted with the basic funding a well known fact. You can twist it all you want i will not waste a single second on a 2 rupee IT cell coolie like you thats gets abused on this forum day and night by people.

IT Cell doggie doesn't even use his brain now, anything remotely critical of govt and leaderji and he runs to bite people

Just put him on ignore like I have , no use engaging with such people

 

[Warlock]

Lmao, the resident Trump simps in shambles!

Where are you now, trump simps? I warned ya'll that the orange rapist would be bad news for our exports. I warned ya'll that he was a lunatic and talked out of his ass. And as if that weren't enough, he has now started intervening on the kashmir issue too!

In fact, this forum was in such a state that one could abuse and mock Modi as they pleased - but say a word against the orange gorilla and all hell would break loose....

This is such a 'told you so' moment for me.

Our Exports to the US are small part of GDP. we are net importer from the US. Our Trade deficit with them is 22 USD billions. Only place where US support matters are at Global Power chambers like FATF, Nuclear Supplier Groups to avoid unwanted tension with regional powers, bad publicity in International Media and Major is Remittance from Indian Americans and Hot money from FPIs / FIIs in our economy. US can easily cripple us with S-word and can easily provide Pakistan with F-16s for Free on the name of some random fund.

What India can do:
1. look for strong support from Regional Powers like Japan, Australia, Indonesia, Middle East, Africa, Israel and Russia.
2. US and Europe are Gone case for us. Avoid visiting Davos as well.
3. Look for common ground with Orange affected people., get Rid of Corrupt Babu and Politicians.
4. Make Gen Z aware that being American is not cool. it is slavery only.
5. Start working on Semi-conductor chip plant, OS for computers and chips for Mobiles.