Indo US Relations

[Anupu]

It really varies from organisation to organisation. Some like DRDO can perform exceptionally some like OFB will always stay behind.

Two very different organisations one is an R&D organisation other is MODs in house manufacturing line rebranded as a company.

 

[Knowitall]

IT Cell doggie doesn't even use his brain now, anything remotely critical of govt and leaderji and he runs to bite people

Just put him on ignore like I have , no use engaging with such people

I did it now. Cannot waste a single second on this vella jahil who runs like a street dog the second you say anything here. Gawar doing policing here.

 

[Knowitall]

Two very different organisations one is an R&D organisation other is MODs in house manufacturing line rebranded as a company.

Both organisations run R&D projects actually.

OFB’s themselves have 13 ODC’s that they have made to focus on R&D. It is only post govt attempts at corporization that some changes are visible wrt to timelines and quality.

 

[crazywithmath]

Our Exports to the US are small part of GDP.

For now. But growing rapidly.

we are net importer from the US.

Not really?

Our Trade deficit with them is 22 USD billions.

Not true.

Only place where US support matters are at Global Power chambers like FATF, Nuclear Supplier Groups to avoid unwanted tension with regional powers, bad publicity in International Media and Major is Remittance from Indian Americans and Hot money from FPIs / FIIs in our economy. US can easily cripple us with S-word and can easily provide Pakistan with F-16s for Free on the name of some random fund.

What India can do:
1. look for strong support from Regional Powers like Japan, Australia, Indonesia, Middle East, Africa, Israel and Russia.
2. US and Europe are Gone case for us. Avoid visiting Davos as well.
3. Look for common ground with Orange affected people., get Rid of Corrupt Babu and Politicians.
4. Make Gen Z aware that being American is not cool. it is slavery only.
5. Start working on Semi-conductor chip plant, OS for computers and chips for Mobiles.

 

[Anupu]

Both organisations run R&D projects actually.

OFB’s themselves have 13 ODC’s that they have made to focus on R&D. It is only post govt attempts at corporization that some changes are visible.

I don’t know the organizational structure of OFB in detail. But any organisation in R&D needs to primarily focus on reducing iteration time. Any cost saving can be in service to that goal for eg using software to rule out hypotheses etc.

 

[Prasad]

IT Cell doggie doesn't even use his brain now, anything remotely critical of govt and leaderji and he runs to bite people

Just put him on ignore like I have , no use engaging with such people

Retarded Self-strokers going back to their lying and abusive ways.
You think we forgot the self-stroking retarded shit you lot said before we attacked pakis, during and after.

Just love how you self-strokers stroke each other.
Reminds me of Abduls stroking each other in madrassas.

 

[redpanda]

While his behaviour is rather aggressive and weirdly defensive towards the current government. One thing Prasad said is true though. You cannot simply throw large sum of money and expect the result to manifest by time like it's magic. Success, especially in complex endeavours like developing a jet engine, demands far more than just financial investment. It requires a well-thought-out, meticulously planned, and sustained programme that encompasses every aspect of research, design, testing, and manufacturing. A dedicated and comprehensive jet engine development initiative must be established, with clearly defined objectives, timelines, milestones, and accountability mechanisms. This includes assembling expert teams, investing in the right infrastructure, and fostering collaboration across disciplines. Without a structured roadmap and long-term vision, resources are likely to be wasted, efforts duplicated, and progress delayed. True innovation and self-reliance in such a high-technology sector come from consistent focus, institutional support, and strategic execution, not ad hoc spending. It is only through such a disciplined, all-encompassing approach that meaningful, sustainable results can be achieved. And precisely for lack of this the current administration should be criticised.

Anyways if we are going to discuss on Kaveri then perhaps we should take this conversation to the appropriate thread rather than discussing it in a geopolitical thread.

 

[shade2]

While his behaviour is rather aggressive and weirdly defensive towards the current government. One thing Prasad said is true though. You cannot simply throw large sum of money and expect the result to manifest by time like it's magic. Success, especially in complex endeavours like developing a jet engine, demands far more than just financial investment. It requires a well-thought-out, meticulously planned, and sustained programme that encompasses every aspect of research, design, testing, and manufacturing. A dedicated and comprehensive jet engine development initiative must be established, with clearly defined objectives, timelines, milestones, and accountability mechanisms. This includes assembling expert teams, investing in the right infrastructure, and fostering collaboration across disciplines. Without a structured roadmap and long-term vision, resources are likely to be wasted, efforts duplicated, and progress delayed. True innovation and self-reliance in such a high-technology sector come from consistent focus, institutional support, and strategic execution, not ad hoc spending. It is only through such a disciplined, all-encompassing approach that meaningful, sustainable results can be achieved. And precisely for lack of this the current administration should be criticised.

You need to pour money though.

It's like you want a mango tree

What govt has done is put seed in ground, a little sapling has sprung, then they got upset it isn't giving mangoes, so they forgot about it and bought American mangoes instead.

Instead govt should have put water and fertilizer and protected the little plant from ((( animals ))) who would mess with it and enemies who don't want India to grow it's own mangoes but buy from their 5 fruit stalls, eventually the sapling will grow into a strong tree which will give juicy mangoes.

At that point govt can set fire to all the dalals trying to sell it mangoes from 5 places

 

[redpanda]

You need to pour money though.

It's like you want a mango tree

What govt has done is put seed in ground, a little sapling has sprung, then they got upset it isn't giving mangoes, so they forgot about it and bought American mangoes instead.

Instead govt should have put water and fertilizer and protected the little plant from ((( animals ))) who would mess with it and enemies who don't want India to grow it's own mangoes but buy from their 5 fruit stalls, eventually the sapling will grow into a strong tree which will give juicy mangoes.

At that point govt can set fire to all the dalals trying to sell it mangoes from 5 places

I completely agree with you. What I'm saying is they need to properly plan the layout of the garden where the mangoes trees need to be planted. Currently throwing money on Kaveri wouldn't give much result until they make Kaveri a dedicated project like how Tejas was. Kaveri for now is treated like side project. We like retards tried to built an engine around a jet rather than building an engine first. Make it a main project with a dedicated team and then fund it with large chunk of money.

 

[laxman09]

On orange man's latest 'episode' vis-à-vis India, think its pretty clear by now that he's upset that GoI did not give him adequate bhaav for the de-escalation on 10 May and praise his 'art of the deal' skills. The new tweet from his press secretary supports this argument. He wants Leader ji to bend the knee in public. There's of course the trade deal looming in the background where he wants to extract the most amount of juice...

The only good aspect is that this guy is fully transparent about what he wants - no beating around the bush. We should offer him the following:

• Starlink (already done)
• Tesla (already done)
• 0% tariffs on goods imports from US for most stuff he cares about... motorbikes, cars, engg products, oil, pharma etc (small carve out for politically sensitive things like food and agri products + strategic stuff) but in return ask for reciprocal access to US for the same basket of goods
• Ambani to buy ship loads of American oil
• Get our dhandos to do some nod-nod wink-wink deals with his family on his stable coins and crypto corruptionmaxxing companies

Hate to admit it but we need to keep this buffoon reasonably placid and out of our way as otherwise Uncle has great capacity to nuke F404/414 + delay his dhandos to move production lines into India .

 

[chnvipgz]

Trump is schizophrenic he changes his statement every now and then and lies often.


View: https://x.com/RShivshankar/status/1922982758776803378?t=f9pTsHY81KAfEsHihovcvg&s=19

 

[chnvipgz]

On orange man's latest 'episode' vis-à-vis India, think its pretty clear by now that he's upset that GoI did not give him adequate bhaav for the de-escalation on 10 May and praise his 'art of the deal' skills. The new tweet from his press secretary supports this argument. He wants Leader ji to bend the knee in public. There's of course the trade deal looming in the background where he wants to extract the most amount of juice...

The only good aspect is that this guy is fully transparent about what he wants - no beating around the bush. We should offer him the following:

• Starlink (already done)
• Tesla (already done)
• 0% tariffs on goods imports from US for most stuff he cares about... motorbikes, cars, engg products, oil, pharma etc (small carve out for politically sensitive things like food and agri products + strategic stuff) but in return ask for reciprocal access to US for the same basket of goods
• Ambani to buy ship loads of American oil
• Get our dhandos to do some nod-nod wink-wink deals with his family on his stable coins and crypto corruptionmaxxing companies

Hate to admit it but we need to keep this buffoon reasonably placid and out of our way as otherwise Uncle has great capacity to nuke F404/414 + delay his dhandos to move production lines into India .

Everything has a price for trump like qatar gave bribe to trump it's time for adani and ambani to push for india.

 

[shade2]

On orange man's latest 'episode' vis-à-vis India, think its pretty clear by now that he's upset that GoI did not give him adequate bhaav for the de-escalation on 10 May and praise his 'art of the deal' skills. The new tweet from his press secretary supports this argument. He wants Leader ji to bend the knee in public. There's of course the trade deal looming in the background where he wants to extract the most amount of juice...

The only good aspect is that this guy is fully transparent about what he wants - no beating around the bush. We should offer him the following:

• Starlink (already done)
• Tesla (already done)
• 0% tariffs on goods imports from US for most stuff he cares about... motorbikes, cars, engg products, oil, pharma etc (small carve out for politically sensitive things like food and agri products + strategic stuff) but in return ask for reciprocal access to US for the same basket of goods
• Ambani to buy ship loads of American oil
• Get our dhandos to do some nod-nod wink-wink deals with his family on his stable coins and crypto corruptionmaxxing companies

Hate to admit it but we need to keep this buffoon reasonably placid and out of our way as otherwise Uncle has great capacity to nuke F404/414 + delay his dhandos to move production lines into India .

Aside from Dhandho threats they may have also said that they will make the GE engines get supply chain issues again.

Tejas mk2 must fly, even if it entails a redesign to fit the AL31FP engine in there

 

[Roshan]

Import lobby in MoD hates Kaveri. They love their foreign partners even for a testbed. They are delaying funds necessary for testbeds because then their foreign partners would be unhappy. In this case that would be Russia. Russian dalal in MoD hate are against the proposal of GTRE to build our own testbeds. American dalal on the other hands are happy cuz this means we get more dependent on Amriki maal..and sign deal with america to produce their engines without any significant technology transfer at premium.

We have force these import lobbies to fall in line. A conflict/skirmish is usually the best time to push through these sort of changes and speed up indigenous defence projects. Like a lot of things in India people get a move on only when a crisis appears to be looming.

 

[Hari Sud]

What Did Pakistan Promise the U.S. to Get Positive Coverage During the War?

The recent Indo-Pak war revealed a harsh truth: the United States is a fair-weather friend—if a friend at all. India, despite extending consistent diplomatic and trade goodwill to Washington, continues to receive unfair treatment in return. The U.S. response to the brutal killing of 26 Hindu tourists in Kashmir—clear evidence of targeted terrorism—was nothing short of disappointing. Instead of unequivocally condemning the attack and supporting India’s justified retaliation, the U.S. offered a tepid statement, lacking both force and sincerity.

Worse still, as India struck back, American media swiftly began amplifying Pakistan’s narrative, casting doubt on India’s actions rather than standing by a democratic ally. One cannot help but ask: Whose side is the U.S. truly on? If their strategic interests dictate siding with Pakistan, so be it—India cannot and will not beg for support. The U.S. was closely aligned with Pakistan for over six decades until 2015. If Washington now wishes to befriend India, that relationship must be built on mutual respect—not double standards.

President Trump’s own dealings with China further highlight this pattern. After aggressively imposing 145–245% tariffs, he eventually scaled them back to 30%, a quiet admission of policy failure. In the end, China walked away with a diplomatic win, while America’s tough talk dissolved into concessions.

India must learn from these repeated betrayals. The U.S.—regardless of who occupies the White House—often presents a friendly face, while acting otherwise behind closed doors. It is high time India approached this relationship with eyes wide open and an arm’s-length stance.

 

[shade2]

What will the Govt's reaction be y'all nibbiars if the Orange Ape forces them using the same toolkit used to get this ceasefire, to ((( talk ))) to Packistan over Cashmere?

He threatened the Iranians with getting bombed to get them to ((( talk ))) with the US over a Nooklear DEAL

US and Iran close to nuclear deal, Trump says

Speaking in Qatar, the US President said that Iran has "sort of" agreed to the terms of a deal.

www.bbc.com

Ofc our babooze are World Champions in Talks & Chai-Biscoot but the Orange bastard obviously wants ((( outcomes ))) from any talks, will our govt bend for the sake of the economy, or will the Political cost give them an adamantium spine to show the orange retard the finger?

 

[Anupu]

What will the Govt's reaction be y'all nibbiars if the Orange Ape forces them using the same toolkit used to get this ceasefire, to ((( talk ))) to Packistan over Cashmere?

He threatened the Iranians with getting bombed to get them to ((( talk ))) with the US over a Nooklear DEAL

US and Iran close to nuclear deal, Trump says

Speaking in Qatar, the US President said that Iran has "sort of" agreed to the terms of a deal.

www.bbc.com

Ofc our babooze are World Champions in Talks & Chai-Biscoot but the Orange bastard obviously wants ((( outcomes ))) from any talks, will our govt bend for the sake of the economy, or will the Political cost give them an adamantium spine to show the orange retard the finger?

There is a limit to everyone’s flexibility India is kind of reaching it. I can feel that. This declaration by Trump that he mediated this ceasefire is effectively a surgical strike on the relations. The Babus already had low expectations of the left thought Trump will bring respite are going to throw US India relations into cold storage.

 

[laxman09]

What is more worrying for Bharat is a potential G2 deal between Doland and Xi.

Don't think Doland gives a flying F about throwing India under the bus as long as that means he gets Xi to fly down to Washington and sign a grand trade deal. The Hans are shrewd enough to take the deal if its a good medium term move. Xi gets to play kingmaker in Asia... he takes back Taiwan, arm Paxstan, Kanglus and SE Asia to keep us muddled in wars, scuttle India's growth by blocking relocation of manufacturing supply chains. In the long term, he's got structural economic advantage over the US anyways so the Hans come out on top by 2050.

 

[Roshan]

What will the Govt's reaction be y'all nibbiars if the Orange Ape forces them using the same toolkit used to get this ceasefire, to ((( talk ))) to Packistan over Cashmere?

He threatened the Iranians with getting bombed to get them to ((( talk ))) with the US over a Nooklear DEAL

US and Iran close to nuclear deal, Trump says

Speaking in Qatar, the US President said that Iran has "sort of" agreed to the terms of a deal.

www.bbc.com

Ofc our babooze are World Champions in Talks & Chai-Biscoot but the Orange bastard obviously wants ((( outcomes ))) from any talks, will our govt bend for the sake of the economy, or will the Political cost give them an adamantium spine to show the orange retard the finger?

if he manages to get Iran to scale back it's nuclear program the use for Pakistan and to keep them afloat is far less, we may even see Balochistan being recognised as an independent country if they give them something in return. I don't think our policy makers will budge as they came out with quite a terse point by point clarification the other day contradicting him when they didn't need to.

 

[Anupu]

What is more worrying for Bharat is a potential G2 deal between Doland and Xi.

Don't think Doland gives a flying F about throwing India under the bus as long as that means he gets Xi to fly down to Washington and sign a grand trade deal. The Hans are shrewd enough to take the deal if its a good medium term move. Xi gets to play kingmaker in Asia... he takes back Taiwan, arm Paxstan, Kanglus and SE Asia to keep us muddled in wars, scuttle India's growth by blocking relocation of manufacturing supply chains. In the long term, he's got structural economic advantage over the US anyways so the Hans come out on top by 2050.

You can’t create G2 neither US nor China are in the position to do so. Sapne suhane Madarchod ke.

Not to mention the architecture by design require US ceding tremendous space giving birth to multipolarity because china can’t occupy it.

US and USSR couldn’t create G2