Modernisation of Indian Army Infantry

[TAVOUR 21]

same guy ,
also ulta helmet pehna hua hai

 

[vampyrbladez]

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same guy ,
also ulta helmet pehna hua hai

It's not worn wrong. Look at guy on the extreme left and notice the tape pattern on his helmet cover.

 

[Baseplate]

Ex Dharma Guardian 25
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In the second pic aren't the two guys around the door supposed to hold security why are they high porting their rifles ?

in the third pic one grenade thrown will be the end ..

 

[abingdonboy]

The fact that the fckup had to be pointed out by civilians after it made it out on a public forum is just very sad.
Crazy how no one in the army noticed it, it would have definitely passed through many afsars eyes.
They want us to believe the majority of the army is competent. May be instead of importing weapons we need to import a competent force.

By the way the scandal here is not the original sin (backwards mounting) but the coverup. It speaks to the entire Indian military mindset- the same reason they don’t publish their COI reports

When real conflict happens they can’t hide behind their rhetoric anymore and will be utterly demolished


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[Airborne22]

Bloody desis have more in common than not

Gorey hme collectively pajeet bulate hain

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Remember how Indians like to laugh at the Pak army?

Bloody desis have more in common than not

why do they do this tho, what is the point of editing in BPVs ?

 

[Unknowncommando]

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[Binayak95]

Other than unguided AT-4 & Carl Gustav, F&F MP-ATGM, top attack NAG/Namica, Helina/Dhruvastra Laser homing CLGM, LOAL SANT I'd say we have more than enough option.

Only slot we don't fill are Lancet-like loitering muntion & NLAW/TOW-like non-linear exploding of EFP warhead that can bypass laser warnings (if it's a beam rider instead of SACLOS).
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The loitering munition is also filling up with both Warmate and domesitc UAS systems. we have tonnes upon tonnes of missiles.

problem with current production Konkurs and MILAN 2T is that they are 2nd generation and not fire and forget

 

[Cyclops]

*Sips coffee*
It's 2025 and still India is perhaps the only country among the top 5 militaries in the world to lack a full-fledged sniper corps and have old DMRs from 1960s as the only "sniper rifle" in substantial numbers. The official requirement of some 6,000 or so infantry snipers (apart from Spec-Ops ones) has continued to be on paper for about a decade now.
*Sips coffee*

Alright fine, we had to be pwned by the pakis in LOC before the Scorpio TGT emergency-purchase but that was almost 10 years ago.
Will the importwaadis tell us that our dear afsars couldn't learn from the incident and get ahead of the problem after this many years?
Sniping in a real war will be another beast compared to sniping during COIN but whatever...

Forget about our weird aversion to developing a dedicated sniper corps, we have real issues from trash GSQRs to no REAL MODERN sniper program.

Spoiler: Sniper GSQRs??? Hamara auqaat dikha diya...

In 2016, for instance, the Indian Navy had acquired 177 sniper rifles, completing the entire import process in under 24 months. In stark contrast, the Indian Army had initiated its demand for similar rifles in 2009; but over years it had floated, scrapped and then re-issued several tenders for them without concluding the purchase till now.

Delayed weapons procurement process

Presently, the Indian Army’s critical sniper rifle procurement, intended to replace the Soviet-era Dragonov SVD model that first entered Army service in the mid-1980s, has been further postponed after the rifles were placed on the MoD’s proscribed list of 209 military platforms, equipment and related systems, which are to be progressively sourced indigenously.


But in the interim, in what has become routine practice of executing ‘intermediate’ equipment purchases, the Indian Army inducted 24 .338 Scorpio TGT sniper rifles from Victrix Armaments of Italy and M95 rifles from Baretta of the US in February 2019. This followed sustained sniping by the Pakistan Army across the Line of control (LoC) in Jammu and Kashmir, which continues and remains a persistent danger and threat.

File photo of Indian Army soldiers at the Line of Control. Photo: PTI

In enviable deviation from Army’s behaviour with regard to materiel acquisitions, the Indian Navy displayed quiet and dogged efficiency in technically evaluating, testing and eventually, in late 2016, acquiring 177 Sako TIKKA T3 TAC 7.62x51mm bolt action sniper rifles, selected over UK’s Steel Core Designs Thunderbolt SC-76 model, for its Marine Commando Special Forces (SF). The overall $2.98 million contract also included 100,000 rounds of 7.62x51mm match grade ammunition.

A Sako Tikka T3 rifle. Photo: Millermaster/Wikimedia Commons, Public Domain

The Indian Navy’s detailed timeline in summarily finalising this purchase too is revealing.


Its request for proposal (RFP), or tender, for these rifles was issued in early 2014, followed by user trials at a firing range in New Delhi’s outskirts in late 2015. Beretta was shortlisted around March that year and price negotiations launched thereafter, which concluded successfully a few weeks later.


“Once again, the Indian Navy’s sniper rifle buy was a conscious and pre-emptive procurement for rapidly emerging threats locally and overseas, following the force’s increased anti-piracy deployments in the Gulf of Aden and off India’s eastern and western seaboards,” said the MoD official, cited above. It had prudently anticipated the need for these essential weapon systems well in time and rapidly obtained them, he added.


The Indian Army’s bid, on the other hand, to acquire sniper rifles, needed more urgently on the LoC, is riddled with incompetence. In 2009 it floated a tender for around 1,100 sniper rifles under the fast track procedure (FTP) which mandates a 12-month long deadline to conclude procurements. Incredulously, the RFP failed in mandating accuracy standards at a minimum 800m range and absurdly required the rifles to be fitted with a bayonet.


It was totally incomprehensible to the handful of vendors to determine why the rifle, purposed for employment at a distance of over 800m, needed a bayonet that is normally used by infantry soldiers in close combat. The unclear RFP also failed to differentiate between a bolt action or semi-automatic sniper rifle model – a critical QR (qualitative requirement) determinant for sniper rifles.


Expectedly, the RFP was cancelled after at least one round of trial firings in the respective vendors’ countries including Israel and a tender re-issued in September 2018 for 5,719 sniper rifles and 10.2 million rounds. This too was scrapped ten months later, in July 2019, after four leading overseas rival vendors failed to meet the Indian Army’s unrealistic qualitative requirements (QRs) and delivery schedules.


Unrealistic demands


This RFP required one of four shortlisted original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) of sniper rifles from amongst PT Pindad (Indonesia), Rosonboronexport (Russia), Barrett and MSA Global (USA), to transfer technology for the .339 Lapua Magnum ammunition to India’s state-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) and indigenous private sector companies to locally manufacture an additional 4.6 million rounds.


Industry officials at the time said it was ‘commercially unviable by all and any standards’, for any manufacturer of such specialised ammunition to transfer technology for merely 4.6 million rounds. The proposed delivery schedule for the 5,719 rifles, which were being acquired under the ‘Buy and Make’ category of the MoD’s defence procurement procedure, 2016, too posed logistic problems. It required the shortlisted OEM to deliver the first lot of 707 rifles within six months of the contract being signed, and the remaining 4,472 supplied in batches of 1,200 units each over the next 30 months.


“No sniper rifle manufacturer produces such large numbers in the time stipulated in the RFP,” said a senior official from one of the OEM’s competing for the tender. The Indian Army fails to realise that such expert weaponry is not mass produced on an industrial scale, he added, declining to be named. Of the intended 5,719 rifles, 5,507 were for the Indian Army’s special forces and the remaining 212 for the Indian Air Force’s Garud Commando force.


Official sources told The Wire that the ‘amplified’ sniper rifle ammunition QRs and impractical delivery targets were of a piece with numerous other Indian Army RFPs that had been routinely criticised by successive parliamentary defence committees, as impracticable. The April 2012 Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence, for example, revealed that as many as 41 of the Indian Army’s tenders for diverse equipment had been withdrawn or terminated due to ‘implausible’ QRs.


Former defence minister Manohar Parrikar too endorsed this proclivity on the Indian military’s part in 2016, when he stated that its QRs for equipment and platforms appeared to be straight out of “Marvel comic books”. Many of the technologies demanded and conditions stipulated for varied equipment were “absurd and unrealistic,” the late defence minister had stated.

From Procuring Drone Protection to Other Weapons, Indian Navy is Ahead of Other Services

While the Indian Navy has prudently anticipated the need for essential weapon systems well in time and rapidly obtained them, the Army has been riddled with confusion over its procurement policy.

thewire.in

Are the afsars so afraid of institutional change or are they simply lazy about re-organizing their bureaucracy to accommodate for REAL modernisation?
Or is it just them being "dheet" because bloody civilians are trying to whip them into shape?

All of this laggard bs makes it seem like our afsars sahabs are either boomers in love with the status-quo, not agile enough to adapt to the requirements of the modern battlespace or worse...

You can't just say the soldier is a gawaar dehati, not train them and leave it at that?

Spoiler: dehati

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If that is the case, why not reform your recruitment exams, procedures and personnel? Or will having a smarter soldier be too much of an inconvenience for our afsars? Will the grunt think too much or retort too much? Are our jawaans only expected to head to the frontline just because; and not better equipped than the enemy?

Why does the private industry have to take the reigns to start a sniper school?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScvtNHLfKxY
Even they can see how far behind and pitiful we are. Unfortunately, they can't say it out loud, so they do this round about rhetoricizing.
It's a shame our private industry is held hostage by IA who may not buy from them if the CEOs talk too much.

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This was the inception of the private artillery saga, which is yet to be resolved btw.


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Baba Kalyani was laughed off by generals, whereas the Defence secretary said "jugaad hai". Baba Kalyani was not even allowed to test his arty gun in India for 5 years. He had to take the initiative, get the export permission to take his arty to the US, got the whole complaince and tested it within 45 days and more or less ambushed the political and army bureaucrats in a conference with the video of his gun being tested in the US.

The late Manohar Parrikar opened up the test ranges within one week of this incident.

Foregoing the sheer chadness of Baba Kalyani, why do entrepreneurs have to go through all of this rubbish to be even be allowed on the field?
Do you have to be a super-obstinate, ultra-conscientous, mega-crorepati before our boomers give you a chance?

 

[samsaptaka]

Forget about our weird aversion to developing a dedicated sniper corps, we have real issues from trash GSQRs to no REAL MODERN sniper program.

Sometimes I wonder that IA is embarrassed at seeing SSS sniper range and rifles and purposely not ordering them lest their own lack of such ranges and sniper training become known to the outside world.

 

[hollowdonuts13]

Ex Dharma Guardian

 

[FireStar]

Inside Story Part 2 :Stryker IFV’s Ladakh Trial Failure Sparks Reevaluation – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

is this report true? does that mean army actually reads idrw reports?

 

[samsaptaka]

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Ex Dharma Guardian

Those helmets ours ? Or loaned from JSDF ? If ours which company ? MKU ?

 

[hollowdonuts13]

Those helmets ours ? Or loaned from JSDF ? If ours which company ? MKU ?

i think its japanese. The helmet cover is from armasen tactical.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Those helmets ours ? Or loaned from JSDF ? If ours which company ? MKU ?

i think its japanese. The helmet cover is from armasen tactical.

Helmet - MKU
Helmet Cover - Armasen Tactical

The kit is very similar to Ex. Dharma Guardian 2022 with the Kumaon Regiment. It makes no sense that the Indian Army would take Indian covers for helmets on loan from the Japanese.

 

[me_itsme]

i think its japanese. The helmet cover is from armasen tactical.

Helmets are ours.

 

[Bleh]

The loitering munition is also filling up with both Warmate and domesitc UAS systems. we have tonnes upon tonnes of missiles.

problem with current production Konkurs and MILAN 2T is that they are 2nd generation and not fire and forget

Milan is wire-guided right?

 

[Binayak95]

Milan is wire-guided right?

Yes

 

[Unknowncommando]

Basic Gear reached Manipur

 

[Unknowncommando]

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