Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (89 Viewers)

[haldilal]

View: https://x.com/Ray70409890/status/1931021795752321484

 

[Tumba]

it's not the "exfarts" you need to worry about, it's their profession, they are paid to do that.
it's you, you need to worry about. the public mind space is the target.

*you as in, not you specifically. the public at large.

public will literally ask for porki blood to drink next time not worried about that part we have both Govt and opposition and media although for different reasons but fckin porks as much as heart desires …

 

[ezsasa]

View: https://youtu.be/Arb-PKN4ErE?si=o-Wa3s5ovqdGCOVx

Extremely animated & explosive podcast hosted by Shoma Chaudhury featuring ex Ambassador TCA Raghavan & Bharat Karnad.

What struck me most about this podcast was not the diametrically opposite positions both the guests took , which was mostly on expected lines but the way the hollowness of Raghavan's & by extension the foreign establishment's outdated position comes across quite clearly pitched as it is against Karnad's brutally honest if ambitious pragmatism.

To all the Millenials & Gen Z guys here the former's position is what guided not only our foreign policy but also our world view for the most part of our ~ 80 years journey including during ABV's tenure & the initial part of present incumbent's term . Some out here would argue it still does.

More to the point it was the accepted norm whereas Karnad's position was always greeted by sneers , charges of adventurism & hawkishness besides being the target of ridicule in the past . I'm glad to report that what he suggests now or even suggested earlier ( in that manner he's been remarkably consistent ) is no longer viewed as outlandish or impossible at least by this generation .

Raghavan's frustration was evident given the many contradictions in his position was exposed ( he's actually admitted there's little we can do about Paxtan which is another way of saying let's move on after 26/11 & focus on the economy . At another point he says the abrogation of the IWT is good coz it sends a message even if we can't do much on the ground to change the situation given our geographical disadvantages & so on ) & which used to be unquestioned earlier including in this podcast where he got away lightly .

Tells one a great deal about how & why the Congress completely lost the plot in the 10 years they were in power on a lot of issues especially Paxtan .

Must watch episode IMO !

contrarian point to karnard would be,

having a strong opinion/idea alone does not matter, it never did. conviction to back an idea with physical efforts, and take it all the way thru execution(to the extent possible) is what matters. in this case, shoma didn't know what karnad was going to say, audience did not know what he was going to say, in his decades of ideating, he did not make enough efforts to convince others of his strong idea.

it's like saying, "wah, what a good points acharya chanakya has been making for thirty years, if only the powers that be listened to him". but that's not how history played out, the guy made sure his ideas manifested into an outcome, thru a son of a peacock farmer.

otherwise and idea is just like a book in a library, it exists and it exists along with many other ideas.

 

[fire starter]

View: https://x.com/sneheshphilip/status/1931206999988932675?t=skfaDdDFqx42vqgapj-SsA&s=19

 

[ezsasa]

public will literally ask for porki blood to drink next time not worried about that part we have both Govt and opposition and media although for different reasons but fckin porks as much as heart desires …

watch what happens in next six months, notice how self-doubt will start becoming the primary theme again.

 

[Azaad]

contrarian point to karnard would be,

having a strong opinion/idea alone does not matter, it never did. conviction to back an idea with physical efforts, and take it all the way thru execution(to the extent possible) is what matters. in this case, shoma didn't know what karnad was going to say, audience did not know what he was going to say, in his decades of ideating, he did not make enough efforts to convince others of his strong idea.

it's like saying, "wah, what a good points acharya chanakya has been making for thirty years, if only the powers that be listened to him". but that's not how history played out, the guy made sure his ideas manifested into an outcome, thru a son of a peacock farmer.

otherwise and idea is just like a book in a library, it exists and it exists along with many other ideas.

He's been voicing his opinion regularly , written books , attended seminars was part of ABV's NSC ( or was it NSAB) if I'm not mistaken & so on besides being invited to be part of the core group which drafted our N doctrine then which came about only because of his closeness to K Subramanyam , father of S Jaishankar.

In fact I read an article carried by a MSM newspaper ( forget which one ) way back in 2002-03 IIRC , where he advocated we transfer Prithvi missiles to Vietnam for what they were doing to us w.r.t arming Paxtan .

I suspect the only reason the paper carried his article was because he was seen as part of the establishment otherwise I'm positive they wouldn't have bothered approaching him. Not sure if he completed his tenure in the NSC too .

Ditto for Modi if he's to be believed , he was called for consultations after Modi took power a few times & then he criticised Modi for some policy decision after which he wasn't invited ever again .

So as you can see there are limits to what an individual can achieve beyond which what else can he do if the entire establishment & prevailing culture of thought is against him ?

Blame it on lack of shatrubodh , Budh not Yudh , Dhando Parmo Dharma , Karma > Dharma , passive resistance and on & on - the true implications of the teaching & blessings of Pranami Gxxndu & his acolyte cum successor Chacha's school of thought.

 

[snakeeyes07]

You are spewing uttern nonesense. AWACS can't guide missiles. AWACS are eyes spotters but not targetters. AWACS radars have less resolution than those needed by missiles to hit a target. What it means is AWACS aren't accurate enough for target.
They can guide the missile in direction of target but thats it. Homing has to be done by Missile or the FA.

Link-16 in NATO gives AEW&Cs that ability to guide BVRs, shooter FCR is not required. Chinese do have their own datalink and similar capability now. I don't think we have this ability yet, maybe in future we will with wider adoption of ASTRA and IAF BNET based datalink.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/49570

Once modified the resulting data can be automatically uploaded via the Link-16 system to provide targeting information to the F-16s. This will allow them to engage enemy aircraft with the AIM-120D Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) without the need to support the missile with their own fire control radar (FCR) before the missile takes over with its own active guidance. This enables the F-16s to take shots on any axis and at longer ranges.

 

[ezsasa]

View: https://x.com/sneheshphilip/status/1931206999988932675?t=skfaDdDFqx42vqgapj-SsA&s=19

it's rather amusing to note, that the commentariat is not able to agree on exact duration of the conflict , but have large opinions on it.

so far this op sindoor has been described as
4 day war,
3 day war,
100 hour war,
88 hour war
and now coupta says 86 or 87 hour war.

for our own understanding, 01:05 may 7th to 17:00 hrs may 11th is 111 hours 55 minutes.

 

[ezsasa]

He's been voicing his opinion regularly , written books , attended seminars was part of ABV's NSC ( or was it NSAB) if I'm not mistaken & so on besides being invited to be part of the core group which drafted our N doctrine then which came about only because of his closeness to K Subramanyam , father of S Jaishankar.

In fact I read an article carried by a MSM newspaper ( forget which one ) way back in 2002-03 IIRC , where he advocated we transfer Prithvi missiles to Vietnam for what they were doing to us w.r.t arming Paxtan .

I suspect the only reason the paper carried his article was because he was seen as part of the establishment otherwise I'm positive they wouldn't have bothered approaching him. Not sure if he completed his tenure in the NSC too .

Ditto for Modi if he's to be believed , he was called for consultations after Modi took power a few times & then he criticised Modi for some policy decision after which he wasn't invited ever again .

So as you can see there are limits to what an individual can achieve beyond which what else can he do if the entire establishment & prevailing culture of thought is against him ?

Blame it on lack of shatrubodh , Budh not Yudh , Dhando Parmo Dharma , Karma > Dharma , passive resistance and on & on - the true implications of the teaching & blessings of Pranami Gxxndu & his acolyte cum successor Chacha's school of thought.

it's us, who need to understand, there will always be many brilliant ideas, but what matters is how many of those ideas are executable with in the constraints of reality, how ever long time it takes and how many batons that have to passed from one phase to another . that's life.

of course we have a new issue of missing tile syndrome these days, since we can measure the commentary in metrics. 10000 posts across the years complaining about something not happening, hardly less than 100 posts acknowledging a success even if it cost 1 lakh crore and 7-8 years to execute.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Nope against popular paxtani rhetorics that multiple brahmos was fired.. he actually admitted that india only fired few brahmos nd Paxtan was helpless against it.. it's the other guy arslan who said paxtan was able two intercept 2 brahmos (he said it malfunctioned lol) which obviously lacks the evidence.. so among contrary belief things are dawning on paxtani about threat of brahmos..

They are advocating buying European CAMM ER nd IRST against brahmos threat but those will be useless too against brahmos.. only credible counter to ironically is indo Isreali MRSAM nd US PAC 3 which paxtan can't acquire.

CAMM-ER is not designed to intercept supersonic missiles at all. IRST is an IR search and track system and has been in use in several fighters for a long time. I am not sure how IRST can be used to intercept BrahMos.

 

[Azaad]

it's us, who need to understand, there will always be many brilliant ideas, but what matters is how many of those ideas are executable with in the constraints of reality, how ever long time it takes and how many batons that have to passed from one phase to another . that's life.

of course we have a new issue of missing tile syndrome these days, since we can measure the commentary in metrics. 10000 posts across the years complaining about something not happening, hardly less than 100 posts acknowledging a success even if it cost 1 lakh crore and 7-8 years to execute.

Then let's just say he was ahead of his time & not exactly a diplomat in his choice of words. I mean if you've seen that podcast , how many people will go before a live audience to ask for annihilating Paxtan with proper justifications where such calls for our annihilation aren't unusual at all among a similar class of people as you saw represented by this audience.

And this has been going on for decades ever since Paxtan got the N bomb . So how come our elites are totally clueless or have an extremely thick skin or take whatever their counterparts in Paxtan think & say out aloud with great tolerance along with buckets of salt.

I actually remember seeing a program broadcast on NDTV featuring the late Vinod Mehta & a Paxtani analyst & ex army man whom he acknowledged as his friend in the prevailing celebratory atmosphere of ABV's Lahore Bus Journey where that man actually went on record to say that even if Kashmir was solved the policy of bleeding India with a 1000 cuts must continue , with an embarrassed Mehta trying to shush him with a sheepish laugh & something to the effect in Punjabi - aisa nahin kehte before the program came to an hasty end .

I'd like to know an equivalent to this tamasha which is an extension of the same thought process I've laid out in my previous post in any other corner of the world.

 

[haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars The DRDO Chief confirm use and shooting down of various Pakistani Aerial target like Missiles and drones by Akash and MR SAM ADS. Also confirm use of D4 Anti drone system.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

MEA is famous for being fuck ups of the highest order. They probably cautioned against taking preemptive action against Pakis using Meteor and BVR and are majorly responsible for the highly restrictive ROEs in the name of a 'US trade deal'.



The vast majority of diplomats are whisky swilling socialites belonging to a glorified HR department. They don't like to co-operate with intelligence or the military and try their own failed version of 'Track 2 diplomacy'.

The ideological outlook for 90%+ is pro West and they WILL sabotage India in some way if it means that their children get settled abroad.

These fuck ups managed to invite a rabid anti India, anti Hindu Khalistani to a New York event.


View: https://x.com/mujifren/status/1930844997181448477?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1930844997181448477%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Meanwhile Mr. Laser Eyes has pissed Russia off from openly supporting India post Operation Sindoor.



Here is a great video to understand how these people operate.


View: https://youtu.be/EhgHmszowq4?si=XiSG6aRrYKQ9A4t2

You don't say mate, I was reading the book accidental prime minister by Sanjay Baru, Mr Baru has claimed to have communist leanings in his early days, in college in Hyderabad.
Yet the man battled the left very hard , on various issues .
Also he doesn't show even a hint of sympathy for the Reds in his book whatsoever.
Anyway, old folks might ought to remember the Havana summit in which mushy and mauni both participated.
Mr baru being the media advisor was the one who , started the custom of black label as gifts to journos, ( vajpayee gave even more lavish gifts to journos tbh, like a waiting Mercedes to pick them up from the airport, to their 5 star hotel suites, among various others things) anyway, when in Havana the writer went to get some cigars with another of his colleague, when they returned they saw that the meeting had begun , mauni and mushi entered into one room, while the diplomatic corp was left to fend for themselves.
The IFS folks, relished the opportunity to mingle with their counterparts.
Exchange details about a new restaurant in Lahore or delhi which sold best kebabs, or nihari.
Asking for personal favours for their children settled in foreign lands , etc .
Only one who was angry at this was the NSA MK Narayanan.
He was an IPS, who even though was a Gandhi family loyalist ( as baru said ) was distraught at this sight .
He was the head of IB in the 80s, he had plenty of satrubodh in him , yet he was powerless due to his loyalty to Gandhi family for various reasons and maunis admant nature , so as not to hear security briefings from the raw chief or the iB chief.
Do you know why vajpayee said about seema rekha , probably the reason was , that Brijesh Mishra the first NSA of India, was a retired IFS officer himself and he was also the NSA .
@Sanglamorre

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Link-16 in NATO gives AEW&Cs that ability to guide BVRs, shooter FCR is not required. Chinese do have their own datalink and similar capability now. I don't think we have this ability yet, maybe in future we will with wider adoption of ASTRA and IAF BNET based datalink.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/49570

I am pretty sure ADA is incorporating all kinds of tech in AMCA, especially due to private participation.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

This has another implication. Possible that in many other paki posts nobody survived to waive a white flag.

View: https://x.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1931265751777787921

 

[snakeeyes07]

I am pretty sure ADA is incorporating all kinds of tech in AMCA, especially due to private participation.

If we wait till AMCA then it is already too late. BNET datalinks in IAF existing fleet of shooters & AEW&Cs along with ASTRA missile (which support this datalink) integration should be taken right away. I think the only significant third party support needed in this process would be Dassualt to put BNET equipment onto Rafale and Mirages.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

If we wait till AMCA then it is already too late. BNET datalinks in IAF existing fleet of shooters & AEW&Cs along with ASTRA missile (which support this datalink) integration should be taken right away. I think the only significant third party support needed in this process would be Dassualt to put BNET equipment onto Rafale and Mirages.

Rafale has denied source code integration for IAF. That is a dead end. AMCA is the only option left now.

 

[Drwho]

Rafale has denied source code integration for IAF. That is a dead end. AMCA is the only option.

Then why do india government keep buy this garbage jet and if it’s not able to fly as per own need. And that too at sky rocket prices.

And why some people keep asking for Rafale for IAF ? Are these traitors or paki. This forum seems to be full of them.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

If we wait till AMCA then it is already too late. BNET datalinks in IAF existing fleet of shooters & AEW&Cs along with ASTRA missile (which support this datalink) integration should be taken right away. I think the only significant third party support needed in this process would be Dassualt to put BNET equipment onto Rafale and Mirages.

French would rather eat sand than let us fire Astra from the Rafale. It'll close repeat orders for Meteor which is unacceptable for them.

 

[ezsasa]

Then let's just say he was ahead of his time & not exactly a diplomat in his choice of words. I mean if you've seen that podcast , how many people will go before a live audience to ask for annihilating Paxtan with proper justifications where such calls for our annihilation aren't unusual at all among a similar class of people as you saw represented by this audience.

And this has been going on for decades ever since Paxtan got the N bomb . So how come our elites are totally clueless or have an extremely thick skin or take whatever their counterparts in Paxtan think & say out aloud with great tolerance along with buckets of salt.

I actually remember seeing a program broadcast on NDTV featuring the late Vinod Mehta & a Paxtani analyst & ex army man whom he acknowledged as his friend in the prevailing celebratory atmosphere of ABV's Lahore Bus Journey where that man actually went on record to say that even if Kashmir was solved the policy of bleeding India with a 1000 cuts must continue , with an embarrassed Mehta trying to shush him with a sheepish laugh & something to the effect in Punjabi - aisa nahin kehte before the program came to an hasty end .

I'd like to know an equivalent to this tamasha which is an extension of the same thought process I've laid out in my previous post in any other corner of the world.

cold war between USSR and USA would have some of these hallmarks. on one hand they were killing each other in third countries, on the other hand peaceniks were promoting games and cultural exchanges between the two.