Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (32 Viewers)

[Drwho]

It’s so ironic that people are saying: Russia didn’t stand firmly with india.
they did all they could: supported Indian side and declined any paki support even though a big Chinese pressure was there.
When did india support Russia openly ? Not once !

We were so influenced by burger politics that we thought we will be brother in arms with them. When we forgot that they are most untrustworthy: we haven’t received our orders of engine or apache and many more when we had already paid for it.

It was a diplomatic loss!! India lost so many allies for Americans. We had chance to make things acceptable with china whe they approached us as let dragon and elephant dance. We made fun of them and sat in USA lap. Let’s face it we lost a decent opportunity. Although we can’t trust china but we might have made them lesser of enemy.

Still it’s time to use head and forget America. India survived without them till now and it will.
Just work hard and play diplomacy. Don’t give them anything: being an enemy of USA is better chance to get things done with them. They hate and abuse friends.

Go back to old ways they were better. We made china enemy because of them. When their deep state was screwing india.

 

[INDIAFIRST]

Almost all anti Indian activity in the west or on the internet has subtle or open Han backing. Ideally every single thought of the leadership should be consumed by cucking the han permanently in the South asia. Every attempt must be made to crush their proxies just enough to hurt the han and his credibility but not enough to risk full retaliation until we are ready. You are correct this is a baptism by fire and if we emerge victorious there will be very few things that will be stopping us from making the g2 into g3

That's where the intelligence in all the form needs to put their best fight...cold-blood fight...

 

[Nicky]

Looks like this will be finalized during Putin-Modi summit.


View: https://x.com/KesariDhwaj/status/1932771471421571433?t=uaRMMyLH5OYmBWidNg5r6Q&s=19

 

[chnvipgz]

Favouring a Arms deal for geopolitical favor is the most pathetic thing to do . There is no replacement for your domestic industrial and technological capacity . A compromise on that is the compromise on hard as well as soft power .

True rather create a crypto bribe fund and bribe them directly instead of importing shit military stuffs.

 

[redpanda]

True rather create a crypto bribe fund and bribe them directly instead of importing shit military stuffs.

Agreed there are US law firms precisely created for bribing the US government. We should bribe them through that. Heck our industrialist like Adani, Ambani, Tata etc. use those for doing their bidding there.

 

[angryindian]

Then we will know once and for all that one should never trust the US.

With the existing engine capability of Kaveri we can still make the following to make up for the lack of fighter squadrons.

1. CATS-WARRIOR and CATS- other versions
2. GHATAK UCAV
3. UAV programs

This, and we can iteratively improve Kaveri in 10 years or so to reach the same level GE 404.

We can also build the Kaveri Marine Gas Turbine to become independent in Marine engines.

We will not have the capabilities that we have planned for. Maybe 80% than 100% but nothing we can't survive without. In the long term it's even good for us.

But USA would have lost India forever.

Good riddance I say.

It's easy to say all these things, but the ground reality is that we don't have much time on our hands, given the high probability of a war breaking out in the next few months or years.
Our squadron strength is depleting rapidly, with many airplanes already at the end of their operational lives.
The last thing we want is to derail the LCA Mk1A, Mk2, AMCA, Naval Twin Fighter, and even future Rafale procurement just for the sake of the Su-57. Moreover, given the mercurial nature of Trump, he may also target the Indian economy, which would be highly damaging.
Unlike Pakistan, which shows little concern for the well-being of its citizens, we cannot afford a survival economy. A minimum 6% growth rate is essential for the foreseeable future.

And in the end,If the Su-57 turns out to be a white elephant(which most probably it is), we would be staring at a doomsday scenario.

 

[Captscooby]

Chinese cheap export variant & pak paintjob jf17 blunder aircraft shot down by rebels in myanmar. True capabilities of blunder aicraft getting exposed whenever deployed in a real battlefield


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1932488070609449021?t=be2BnlXJfK5jLlpI8v_EJw&s=19

This is 56 D chess move ..Pakistan assembles chinks made jet built with russian engine and sell it to myanmmar who uses it to target rakhine rebels who are again trained and funded by Chinks and shoot down the JF-17 ..

Yeh kaisa masterstroke hai

 

[LastMythin]

It’s so ironic that people are saying: Russia didn’t stand firmly with india.
they did all they could: supported Indian side and declined any paki support even though a big Chinese pressure was there.
When did india support Russia openly ? Not once !

We were so influenced by burger politics that we thought we will be brother in arms with them. When we forgot that they are most untrustworthy: we haven’t received our orders of engine or apache and many more when we had already paid for it.

It was a diplomatic loss!! India lost so many allies for Americans. We had chance to make things acceptable with china whe they approached us as let dragon and elephant dance. We made fun of them and sat in USA lap. Let’s face it we lost a decent opportunity. Although we can’t trust china but we might have made them lesser of enemy.

Still it’s time to use head and forget America. India survived without them till now and it will.
Just work hard and play diplomacy. Don’t give them anything: being an enemy of USA is better chance to get things done with them. They hate and abuse friends.

Go back to old ways they were better. We made china enemy because of them. When their deep state was screwing india.

How stupid do you need to be to actually believe the whole "the xinese just want to be fraands saar!!!!" narrative over and over again? How many times do the xinese need to betray us before you will be persuaded to believe otherwise? I am sure the xinese will be sitting in delhi and you will still talking about making things "acceptable" with the xinese. They are funding color revolutions, military bases and civil wars all around to weaken us but even that is acceptable to you? What possible thing does xina needs to do before you are convinced that they are The main enemy? Nuking half of India. You xinapreemis and your brain needs to be studied.

Also when exactly has modern Russia "stood with us as an ally" ? The soviet union maybe (let us ignore all the assassinations and other concessions they got from us) but modern putinist ruzzia when? Are they helping us build our industry, our economy, our MIC ? No! The only ally thing they have done is trade oil to us in rupees that to is becoz of the war they have bought on themselves. Ruzzians see as an 2nd tier markets to sell their weapons too and anything beyond that is propaganda by the ruzzians.

We never had any real allies NAM died by the end of the cold war. We are too big to be a vassal and too weak to be a master. Get used to it!

Stop with this we need to make frands with xina saaar! rudali in every thread. It is morons like you deliberately confusing everyone about xina's actual intentions. The xinese has nothing positive waiting in it for us. Go to rednote and see what the average han thinks about morons like you

 

[Captscooby]

I wonder if IAF is waiting for PAF to clear its hangers that we stuck so that they can pickup sat images of what was inside to show as definitive proof of what we stuck.

Since we have not received any post op commentary yet on how many losses we have inflicted on them which to me honestly makes no sense in an era of information and narrative war.

It's done and dusted i don't see any information about the losses on our side or theirs going to come out from the forces .. the only information if any will come from the political side when the verbal boxing starts in next session of parliament in July ..

 

[Gandaberunda]

We might end up having only su 30 mki and su 57 .
As burgericans will stop supplying engines.
We can modify mk2 design to fit russian engine, it won't be impossible

Tejas first prototype were built on RD33 Russian engines.. so that won’t be an issue for HAL to swap engines with structural modifications. Also we can go with M88 hot core mated with Kaveri engine.

 

[redpanda]

Let's hope AMCA doesn't get detailed that's it. Though I don't think it will get detailed. IAF will probably go for 2-3 squadrons of Su-57 as stopgap tbh. That's 32 to 48 aircrafts. Not enough to derail AMCA because by the time first Su-57 gets delivered i.e 2029-30. AMCA would have significantly progressed to a point beyond return..

 

[Noob_Saibot]

It's easy to say all these things, but the ground reality is that we don't have much time on our hands, given the high probability of a war breaking out in the next few months or years.
Our squadron strength is depleting rapidly, with many airplanes already at the end of their operational lives.
The last thing we want is to derail the LCA Mk1A, Mk2, AMCA, Naval Twin Fighter, and even future Rafale procurement just for the sake of the Su-57. Moreover, given the mercurial nature of Trump, he may also target the Indian economy, which would be highly damaging.
Unlike Pakistan, which shows little concern for the well-being of its citizens, we cannot afford a survival economy. A minimum 6% growth rate is essential for the foreseeable future.

And in the end,If the Su-57 turns out to be a white elephant(which most probably it is), we would be staring at a doomsday scenario.

This white elephant bs again..

Let's face it, the su 57 is going to be the most capable bird in our inventory.

We shouldn't be reliant on American engines anyway. We can tweak the designs to accommodate euro or Russian engines, it's not the end of the world.

We have gotten away with buying the S400 before and chances are, we will again. Trump will be confined to the annals of history in a few years and the Republicans are going to be out of power.

National security is paramount. All of our economic development accounts for zilch if we are faced with security threats from Pakistan.

We need to maintain our superiority over Pak from a military perspective and cannot sit twiddling our thumbs while they acquire latest 5th gen tech.

 

[Drwho]

How stupid do you need to be to actually believe the whole "the xinese just want to be fraands saar!!!!" narrative over and over again? How many times do the xinese need to betray us before you will be persuaded to believe otherwise? I am sure the xinese will be sitting in delhi and you will still talking about making things "acceptable" with the xinese. They are funding color revolutions, military bases and civil wars all around to weaken us but even that is acceptable to you? What possible thing does xina needs to do before you are convinced that they are The main enemy? Nuking half of India. You xinapreemis and your brain needs to be studied.

Also when exactly has modern Russia "stood with us as an ally" ? The soviet union maybe (let us ignore all the assassinations and other concessions they got from us) but modern putinist ruzzia when? Are they helping us build our industry, our economy, our MIC ? No! The only ally thing they have done is trade oil to us in rupees that to is becoz of the war they have bought on themselves. Ruzzians see as an 2nd tier markets to sell their weapons too and anything beyond that is propaganda by the ruzzians.

We never had any real allies NAM died by the end of the cold war. We are too big to be a vassal and too weak to be a master. Get used to it!

Stop with this we need to make frands with xina saaar! rudali in every thread. It is morons like you deliberately confusing everyone about xina's actual brains. Go to rednote and see what the average han thinks about morons like you

Jahil hai kya ? Abe how idiot you must be to made that judgment of Chinese friend.
We never had china as friend but diplomatic delusions were that USA will support. Which Was a dumb move.
Now we might think twice before faltu me china se panga lene se pehle for USA.
It’s moron like you who do same randirona. Abe gadhe kahi to diplomatic relation hogi. Tum daal chawal kha ke 24 ghante job less jaban chala chala ke pair ke nakun se sochne lage ho.
India is a nation tum randwo jaise akele koi nahi rehta.

 

[LastMythin]

Let's hope AMCA doesn't get detailed that's it. Though I don't think it will get detailed. IAF will probably go for 2-3 squadrons of Su-57 as stopgap tbh. That's 32 to 48 aircrafts. Not enough to derail AMCA because by the time first Su-57 gets delivered i.e 2029-30. AMCA would have significantly progressed to a point beyond return..

Fear not it might be deployed it in 2035 and the babooz will find a way and an excuse the delay the AMCA even further

 

[Noob_Saibot]

Let's hope AMCA doesn't get detailed that's it. Though I don't think it will get detailed. IAF will probably go for 2-3 squadrons of Su-57 as stopgap tbh. That's 32 to 48 aircrafts. Not enough to derail AMCA because by the time first Su-57 gets delivered i.e 2029-30. AMCA would have significantly progressed to a point beyond return..

I think it will be the opposite. The purchase of Su 57 will accelerate the AMCA programme. The full ToT, source codes and local manufacturing will teach us valuable lessons that will feed directly into the AMCA.

 

[LastMythin]

Jahil hai kya ? Abe how idiot you must be to made that judgment of Chinese friend.
We never had china as friend but diplomatic delusions were that USA

Quit moving goalposts man. There is no us delusion, their is just drwho's delusions about xina's actual aims.
Xina has been our enemy since 62.
Let us think for a moment what would be an acceptable "deal" for xina to "settle" with india, what kind of humiliation we would need to accept for such a peace. What do you think it will be? Seriously what concessions do you think we need to offer to xinese for them to accept peace and stop supporting pakistan? I actually want to see what you understand about the han's psyche

 

[LastMythin]

I think it will be the opposite. The purchase of Su 57 will accelerate the AMCA programme. The full ToT, source codes and local manufacturing will teach us valuable lessons that will feed directly into the AMCA.

Batting for su-57s fine and good, but the whole it will help AMCA thing is just delusional, It will slow down AMCA by a minimum of 5 years we dont have enough resources for both of them to go ahead at the same pace as expected.

 

[Nicky]

Let's hope AMCA doesn't get detailed that's it. Though I don't think it will get detailed. IAF will probably go for 2-3 squadrons of Su-57 as stopgap tbh. That's 32 to 48 aircrafts. Not enough to derail AMCA because by the time first Su-57 gets delivered i.e 2029-30. AMCA would have significantly progressed to a point beyond return..

Lets be honest, how long has AMCA been on the drawing board? Can we confidently claim it will go into production by 2035?

It's one opposition government being in power from being derailed.

Best use SU57 as stopgap and learn from it to incorporate into AMCA.

 

[Drwho]

Quit moving goalposts man. There is no us delusion, their is just drwho's delusions about xina's actual aims.
Xina has been our enemy since 62.
Let us think for a moment what would be an acceptable "deal" for xina to "settle" with india, what kind of humiliation we would need to accept for such a peace. What do you think it will be? Seriously what concessions do you think we need to offer to xinese for them to accept peace and stop supporting pakistan? I actually want to see what you understand about the han's psyche

Simple get tough china has only one nerve which can settle them down. Even if we give half of india they will want more.
So option is business - hurt them where it hurt them most! And simultaneously just get better relationship with their enemy. But don’t just push USA motives.
Why didn’t we just stand up against USA tarrif like china or Brazil. You will see china maxico Brazil and Vietnam will get better deals
And keep very good diplomatic relationship with china. Like how china behave they will stab u but smile and hug you.

 

[shade2]

my point is:
everyone is the enemy,
1)the han
2) the porki inbred
3) the burger
sometimes we may need to shake hands with the enemy to counter the other one, that was my reasoning behind RIC but maybe hans are just too hostile for an alliance. as you all know all 0.5 front activities are either controlled by the burgers and/or the chineese, along with that china poses a 1 front threat on the borders too so in short we have no one, as has been repeated countless times. if we emerge out of this geopolitical mess victorious on our own, we can truly see ourselves becoming a major power.....

Chongs operate on the same mindset as the Amerisharts who want tools/vassals/satellites whatever you call them instead of allies.

Unlike Amerisharts however they won't force the other guy to bend the knee.

As of now things aren't bad that we have to join an "alliance".

Even after Galwan we were in no mood to turn Quad into Asian NATO, and as for Uncle Sam apart from external ungli there isn't much else, for now regime change and internal ungli seems to have been contained.

Current strategic autonomy fence sitting works well, i just hope we focus on strategic autonomy in defense also, fund kaveri and derivatives, get AMCA out on mission mode and start stocking up on Pralay type missiles.