Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (135 Viewers)

[eastern_bhartiya]

I have been saying this for a long time, but GoI is too proud and retarted to understand.

One of the 2 superpowers (China) has territorial ambitions towards us, it has killed our troops openly, and consider a vast swath of our land as theirs.

Even a retarted goat will cozy up to the nearest next superpower willing to help you after what happened in 2020. Instead, we wanna be 3rd axis of power, a non-aligned state !

Not a single powerful country in the history of mankind became powerful in isolation. They built their empires using powerful alliances and joint military forces.

But amazingly, we have successfully dissociated oursevles from all big powers. If China captures DBO tomorrow (highly plausible) and Pakistan attacks us simultaneously, all the world powers are just gonna watch and laugh.

Pakistan is not hard to deal with, if we want to forces can deliver a solid gut punch to fauji foundation. As we have seen a decent sized brahmos assualt will cripple or render Pakodastan air force inoperable for a long time. Then we can also turn Karachi into bbq , you will also have option to bomb all jihadi masjids and madrasa/ training camps. All of these are can be done tonight, but question is does GoI want to do this or are they waiting for a terror attack on sufficient manner to take action.

 

[Ajatshatru]

I have been saying this for a long time, but GoI is too proud and retarted to understand.

One of the 2 superpowers (China) has territorial ambitions towards us, it has killed our troops openly, and consider a vast swath of our land as theirs.

Even a retarted goat will cozy up to the nearest next superpower willing to help you after what happened in 2020. Instead, we wanna be 3rd axis of power, a non-aligned state !

Not a single powerful country in the history of mankind became powerful in isolation. They built their empires using powerful alliances and joint military forces.

But amazingly, we have successfully dissociated oursevles from all big powers. If China captures DBO tomorrow (highly plausible) and Pakistan attacks us simultaneously, all the world powers are just gonna watch and laugh.

India should maintain strong relations with both Russia and US, but the top priority must be building a robust indigenous military-industrial complex. The only reason countries like US, UK, or France are even willing to offer technology transfer for turbofan engines is because India already has its own engine program. Without that, no one would part with such critical tech.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Leadership Looks at all possible results, before they conduct any operation, for example let's say, we conduct pre emptive strikes and pakis decide to declare war and China gets involved to make armed forces fight on two fronts, I don't think china will get involved as in they will start a military operation, but they still can do stuff like balwan incursion, which will need addressing.

Further pakis will start issuing nuclear threats on UN with help from China and West will put alot of pressure on us, as they will try to paint india as agressor. So I the situation here is we need a plan to properly dildo pakistan while also preventing an scenario similar to one I described prior.

Pakistan will get thrashed like they always do—no matter how much global support they get, they still manage to wet their pants every time. I honestly don’t know how they consistently end up getting beaten despite all the backing. Must be a DNA issue—some things just can’t be fixed.

At this point, even their nuclear threat sounds like a nervous whimper—like they’re already wetting their pants. Mark my words, if the pressure continues, this “atami quwwat” bluff will fade away completely. It’s already becoming less frequent—looks like even Pakistanis are losing faith in their own nuclear coping mechanism.

 

[silentassassin265]

Pakistan will get thrashed like they always do—no matter how much global support they get, they still manage to wet their pants every time. I honestly don’t know how they consistently end up getting beaten despite all the backing. Must be a DNA issue—some things just can’t be fixed.

At this point, even their nuclear threat sounds like a nervous whimper—like they’re already wetting their pants. Mark my words, if the pressure continues, this “atami quwwat” bluff will fade away completely. It’s already becoming less frequent—looks like even Pakistanis are losing faith in their own nuclear coping mechanism.

If they do preemptive strike iam afraid they will also vacate their bases and hide their planes somewhere else.
Hitting an empty bases will not achieve anything and we will end up attacking civilian area which will also achieve nothing as porks don't care about civilian death.
After few days ceasefire will be placed it will be a financial loss even if we block every Missiles.

So we have to invest far more in ground based intelligence to sniff of location of their platforms and also we have to test bramhos effectiveness against their dams as it will break their backbone.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

If they do preemptive strike iam afraid they will also vacate their bases and hide their planes somewhere else.
Hitting an empty bases will not achieve anything and we will end up attacking civilian area which will also achieve nothing as porks don't care about civilian death.
After few days ceasefire will be placed it will be a financial loss even if we block every Missiles.

So we have to invest far more in ground based intelligence to sniff of location of their platforms and also we have to test bramhos effectiveness against their dams as it will break their backbone.

There aren't many places where you can hide your jets, once operation starts missiles will pound every corner of faujiland, plus even hitting and decimating airbase and it's facilities will deal great damage to paf's operational capacity, then there is the fact that bombing terror bases render lauch pads unusable and halt further recruitment. Keep in mind we can also hit radar stations and Hqs .

 

[Ajatshatru]

If they do preemptive strike iam afraid they will also vacate their bases and hide their planes somewhere else.
Hitting an empty bases will not achieve anything and we will end up attacking civilian area which will also achieve nothing as porks don't care about civilian death.
After few days ceasefire will be placed it will be a financial loss even if we block every Missiles.

So we have to invest far more in ground based intelligence to sniff of location of their platforms and also we have to test bramhos effectiveness against their dams as it will break their backbone.

Right now, I know Pakistan wouldn’t dare attempt even a terrorist attack on India—let alone a direct military strike. But what’s puzzling is why India’s military and civilian leadership keeps saying Operation Sindoor isn’t over. That statement alone is causing panic in Pakistan, and honestly, even I’m confused—are they planning to start bombing Pakistan again?

 

[Vilander]

Nonsense…….

India won the 4 days match in May. If not convinced then look at damage caused on 7th and 9th night in Pakistani photos. Lost a few aircraft’s but Pakistan’s damage was 20% of their airforce. Their losses including their nuclear sites but they ran to Papa Donald Trump to stop the attacks. Papa Trump used India’s trade deal as hostage to stop missile attacks.

Hello sir, I don't disagree with what you say. My post was in response to the other posters humour and correlation. I feel you did not get the context of my post.

 

[Dharmocrat]

I have been saying this for a long time, but GoI is too proud and retarted to understand.

One of the 2 superpowers (China) has territorial ambitions towards us, it has killed our troops openly, and consider a vast swath of our land as theirs.

Even a retarted goat will cozy up to the nearest next superpower willing to help you after what happened in 2020. Instead, we wanna be 3rd axis of power, a non-aligned state !

Not a single powerful country in the history of mankind became powerful in isolation. They built their empires using powerful alliances and joint military forces.

But amazingly, we have successfully dissociated oursevles from all big powers. If China captures DBO tomorrow (highly plausible) and Pakistan attacks us simultaneously, all the world powers are just gonna watch and laugh.

Will they be laughing when BrahMos strikes on PakMil leadership takes them out and then Nuke test is done?

Let the fcking Chongs first decide which Genrol Is in charge of the war and which one to purge. Then we can talk about who is laughing and for what?

I know you are a USophile. But for most of us, they are a bigger threat than ChinaPak combined.

I will be dead before I am willing to make our country into an American vassal or any other country for that matter.

About the jujube of how "no country grew strong without the support of another strong country"

What the Americunts want is not an alliance, it's basically to GUBO your entire culture and civilization that our ancestors fought for. Non negotiable. If that means being alone then so be it. Already Op Sindoor has woken up a lot of normies regarding the threat from American empire, with word on the street is they are now equating the Chinese with Americans.

The way Galwan has caused Chinks to lose the whole of Indian generation, American BS during Operation Sindoor has caused them to lose the PR game among generations of Indians, right from the boomers to Gen Z. Just because nobody in Twitter Foreign policy space is talking about it doesn't mean that it is not happening.

And no amount of American threats is going to stop any Govt from absolutely destroying the porks and make them publicly beg for peace if they try any of these Pre emptive shit. It is political suicide otherwise.

 

[silentassassin265]

There aren't many places where you can hide your jets, once operation starts missiles will pound every corner of faujiland, plus even hitting and decimating airbase and it's facilities will deal great damage to paf's operational capacity, then there is the fact that bombing terror bases render lauch pads unusable and halt further recruitment. Keep in mind we can also hit radar stations and Hqs .

Ukraine is following similar strategy, they are not keeping large bases and keeping the army decentralised.
Russia is unable to bombard Ukraine army as they don't know where to hit.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Ukraine is following similar strategy, they are not keeping large bases and keeping the army decentralised.
Russia is unable to bombard Ukraine army as they don't know where to hit.

But where is Ukrainian airforce then, Ukraine airforce without (of even with) western support is a complete non-factor. Yes pakis can move thier jets to some location, but then they can't use them, which leaves other assets vulnerable.

Ukraine is also much wider than pakistan, Russian also lacks PGM. What you have said has been done by pad already, they went completely mute after 7th May night, we didn't see them do much in 8th,9th and then after attempting strike at Delhi/Sirsa, IAF decided to bomb their bases,
What was paf doing all this time ? A weapon that cannot be used, is not a weapon at all.

Moving their assets only makes sense,if they can somehow take them out hiding fast enough an scramble them to retaliate. UAF has done practically nothing in the those Russo-ukrainian war.

 

[Tumba]

View: https://x.com/hellfire_81/status/1941190291253559800

All kinds of scenarios are war gamed by military both manually and through usage of AIRAWAT and PARAM…

I am pretty sure everything from above to an alien attack also gamed multiple times with different variables.

Only problem with these war games are the more you start restraining the more chances of nuclear war becomes…

India was pretty much restraining in Op Sindoor, which provided pakis and chinis lots of PR to play with.

A 100 strike on taking down all 20 or so C4 stations of pakis and AWACS would have make them completely blinded to whatever chinis wants to feed them.

All of the 20 C4 are within 200 kms of Indian border, we fckinh took only the Nur Khan one rest of C4 are smaller and pretty easy to take out…

This would have solves the problem of any chini support or any further strikes by pakis on India. …

 

[Nibbler]

Having to decide on this in just 30 seconds created a dangerously rushed situation…people on this side could have misunderstood it, triggering the first nuclear weapon that could spark a global nuclear war

lol this is just nuclear fear-mongering/blackmail which they are trying to rebuff after we called it out.

Why is there no mention by livemint of our NFU policy?


View: https://x.com/derekjgrossman/status/1940823389800964173?s=46

What nuclear response does pakishite have that has a 30 second turn around time.

Determine after bramhos hits. That's the best you can do

 

[vampyrbladez]

Ukraine is following similar strategy, they are not keeping large bases and keeping the army decentralised.
Russia is unable to bombard Ukraine army as they don't know where to hit.

Pakistan's greatest weakness is it's geography. They don't have friendly neighbors who would supply them during a war unlike Ukraine (which has Poland as a hub to ship NATO weapons).

Iran was NOT providing Pakistan with Shahed drones during Operation Sindoor however we saw nearly 600+ Turkish Songar and YIHA-III drones being used. Iran and Pakistan also had their very own conflict in 2024.

As for Afghanistan, the less said the better. Afghan Taliban are using the Pakistan Taliban as proxies to rain havoc in KPK and making the region ungovernable by Punjabi Pakistanis.

During Operation Sindoor, Pakistanis were hit across the length and breadth of the country which has since been confirmed using high definition satellite imagery.



Meanwhile their ability to hit us back is laughable because of how integrated and functional our Air Defence (IACCS) was compared to their joke of a system.




If you can strike at will across the length and breadth of Pakistan where will they hide their planes which loitering munitions and BrahMos, SRBM, HAMMER, SCALP, LORA, etc can't find? If India had upped the ante, in next 2-3 days we would have wiped clean their entire air force's 'force in being' since they can't hide near Iran and Afghanistan.

In that case, PAF would likely have fled to Iraq and Turkey to seek protection from US.

Next you use the Indian Navy's INS Vikrant CBG to hit Karachi, Gwadar and Omara and it's game over for their military and civilian supplies. Their ability to fight back is gone.

Yes 1 EMB-145 and 1 saab2000

This is result from this scenario

- HQ9BE was not available so gave them HQ9B, which performed better than I expected and scored multiple MIG-29K and a UAV kill. MIG29K only had R77 in this simulation, it was subpar v/s AIM120C5 and P15E.
- MIG-29K tried to challenge first PAF counter attack but 2 of them were shot down (1 by PL-15E and 1 by AIM-120C5). Rest were shot down by HQ9B during initial defense and later Rampage attacks. I avoided defense by MIG-29K subsequently and let PAF launch their volleys.
- 12x Jaguar were used too and none were downed/damaged. Harpoon claimed 2x ships.
- SU30MKI were used for CAP and .
- Klubs (ship launched) and KH-35 were not that effective. But they were heavily used in the first volley. They got depleted and were not really available for later rounds.
- 1 block-2 IA SSM regiment (total 15 missiles) around Bhuj and it targeted Karachi port and refinery. It destroyed the refinery and there was 1 hit on pier/port.
- 1 Babur SSM regiment (total 16 missiles) SSM regiment was placed around Karachi. It launched all 16 missiles at Jamnagar refinery. Made it past S400 which didn't launch on it, all 16 missiles were intercepted (most of them close to Jamnagar) by AD guns & Spider SAM (python 5) placed next to refinery and Akash (from Jamnagar Airbase) to a limited extent.
- Both IAF and PAF used AAM missiles to shoot down subsonic missiles like Babur & KH35.
- IN opening volley was not as effective as I would have thought. There was no surprise as Pakistan MPAs and AEW&CS (also ELINT) detected launches pretty quickly. Quite a bit of interceptions happened in the first round and only 1 PN ship was sunk in this. It was the second round and later where more and more brahmos started leaking through and sinking ships.
- Submarine units were added but I wasn't able to make them launch anti-ship or land attack missiles.
- IN MH60R were performing ASW operations.
- KA31 AEW was effective

Conclusion
- PN surface fleet sunk
- Karachi port destroyed
- Ormara port hit and likely destroyed (I messed up by not setting medium/large pier size)
- Karachi refinery destroyed
- Karachi HQ9B regiment destroyed
- Hits on Karachi and Bholari airbases. Was not able to launch Rampages on Pasni as MIG29K didn't have enough fuel range.
- IN CBG and SAGs were able to intercept all threats. Still have around 40% of Barak8/MRSAM left.
- In terms of terminal velocity:
= 2.175 mach at tree top level
CM400 = 2.4 mach when diving down (not ideal flight profile for Ashm, it is more akin to KH22)



This was the setup
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Once you factor in the abrogation of the IWT, their ability to farm and supply themselves is at critical risk. India has simply taken advantage of being the upper riparian neighbor to force compliance from Pakistan.

Pakistan's only remaining hope therefore is to make India bleed using a campaign of proacted attrition with it's military and canal system to turn any land incursion into a meatgrinder.




All India needs to do is simply maintain a naval and air blockade with the IWT held in abeyance while ignoring Western (US/ NATO) pressure and sanctions and Chinese pressure and military threats. As days turn into weeks into months into years, their ability to fight will degrade and they will lose control over parts of their territory due to internal strife.

India will simply bide it's time and when Pakistan's ability to wage war has been exhausted, simply move in and takeover POK and pretty much anything you like, even 'straighten out' the map.

All of this is highly reliant on neutralizing the Pakistani nuclear arsenal as quickly as possible while you have your BMD integrated and ready to takeout any stragglers and tactical nukes heading towards your cities.

There is a reason why Pakistan has suddenly become so quiet. Given the above reasoning, it would be fair to say that any 'action' could come from Bangladesh instead.

 

[Nibbler]

From sipri newest report

 

[RocketMan]

The only outcome of 120 F-35s will be kit & kin of some baboons and top vayu officers getting permanent positions in US think tanks along with media & social influencers getting foreign junkets in name of expos and conferences. At best, we will get some screw drivergiri and MAY get some satellite pics of Chinese movements if Chinese haven`t offered Amrika enough hafta to stay of it already.

We are neither Jews nor is China Iran for US to interfere like they do for their favorite child Israel or their bastard child, the Na-Pakis.

Folks on this forum forget China has 1000x industrial capacity of Iran, 10000x industrial capacity of Pakis, 10x our Industrial capacity and are ahead of us in cutting edge software like AI. In all out war, we`ll be pummelled with instrusions of drone swarms in six figures and missile salvos totaling 5 figures before their 3rd / 4th / 5th / 6th gen jets even make a appearance

F-35s will be as useful in such scenarios as rolls royce or current day range rovers would be off-road. Okay for few days outing, but wont survive prolonged exposure to wild

China's manufacturing capacity is 5x that of India , not 10x . India will be 3rd largest manufacturer by 2030 easily.

 

[TopWatcher]

heard in ISRO reddit forum that our NAVIC system had 3 atomic clock and out of three only one is working

No it's wrong.

 

[TopWatcher]

DRDO has something called FUFA in mind. Though it isn't a bomber. It will be a twin engine fighter jet which could launch AAM, ASM, ARM etc.

DRDO has lots of things in mind, in aerospace sector, drdo completely failed.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Redirect Notice

While we're discussing china's involvement, this is the news. FM would be visiting on from 13-15 for sco. Safe to say that things will probably remain quite till then.

 

[Tumba]

China's manufacturing capacity is 5x that of India , not 10x . India will be 3rd largest manufacturer by 2030 easily.

What matters is kind of manufacturing here, chinese has very high share of hi technology export items

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

Can't resist posting this.


View: https://x.com/hellfire_81/status/1941192790303703045?t=ZM6N-3SjVgHtDkThacy9ug&s=19

Is he also an astrologer? Bcoz the timing he is predicting is 'near' accurate in astrological sense... more accurate would be 18th to 23rd July.