Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (47 Viewers)

[concard]

If they strike pre emptively they have to prepare for the latter as well. They can be flying for some other reasons as well, we can only guess but I am betting on munir's ego.

Given the extensive damage we have caused in Operation Sindoor, his position was under threat. So he quietly pulled the apocalpyse card at his disposal. That is to crown himself as "Field Marshall". You can never get fired once this title is bestowed upon you. Now in order to pacify few disgruntled officers in air force, it is possible he might have agreed to a compromise. Like few members said here, this time they prepare ahead of time before any attack they have planned on us. Once the attack has happened they are ready to strike or defend against IAF since they would be already prepared and ready to face IAF. It looks like we have also given some predictability from our side that we will only retaliate by air instead of land or sea. So there is that.

That is my observation. I can be wrong. Amarnath Yatra has already commenced and would conclude next month August 9th. So I won't rule out the possibility. If our supreme leader escalates it like crumbs like in operation sindoor where we only strike when they try something on us, I would be very angry on him. His stupid rules of engagement and not taking on their military, and instead striking only terrorist camps really boils my blood. Did he realize their military and terrorists are one and the same after 11 years?

 

[Savageking456]

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Ninda

 

[The Juggernaut]

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Ninda

To be Honest, it's just temporary suspension of military action. It is in our favor.
For example, special operation against Ukraine was only for two weeks but it streached out for years.
We got suspension which allowed us to prepare for next ambush in more sharp and focused in ways. Currently, Pakistan is in head position of security council temp members for month of July. So, most likely things will happen after July end

 

[swesh]

Operation Sindoor: China used embassies to cast doubt over Rafale fighter jet performance, says French Intelligence

French intelligence reveals Chinese embassies worked to undermine Rafale sales, spreading disinformation about the fighter's performance in India-Pakistan clashes.

www.thehindu.com

 

[redpanda]

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Ninda

True. In India’s case, peacetime has always been an elaborate illusion. Even the decade from 2014 to 2024, which was relatively calmer compared to 2000 to 2014, was far from truly peaceful. A lot was happening behind the scenes; the only difference was that the establishment ensured the heat didn’t reach civilians as much as possible except a few big incidents like Pulwama, Pahalgam etc. Which was unlike the previous decade, which not only witnessed high-profile terror attacks like the 2001 Parliament attack and the 26/11 Mumbai attacks but many small scale bombings & terrorist attacks in almost all over India. So much so that people had accepted those to be normal when I was a child. That has changed in this decade. However, as long as Pakistan and China remain the way they are, true peacetime will likely remain out of reach.

 

[FalconSlayers]

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[Ajatshatru]

Look man we all know something is gonna happen in few months
The gaanphattu failed marshall wants to depose the president there and would try some shit like this to get his public engaged on war
Also he wants to avenge the gaankutai pakis suffered at our hands and another thing is that this time of the year is best to attack Hindus in in India, all of this with the help of dolund trump, his new crypto deal and anti India stance does point to a conflict in few months

I desperately want Pakistan to launch preemptive strikes on India, but this mujra-dancing Islamic military doesn’t have the guts to pull it off.

 

[shade2]

Aging Fleet, Maintenance Woes, Low Morale: Pakistan Navy Faces Crisis After Op Sindoor

Sources said following Operation Sindoor, Pakistan's naval fleet has been notably absent from the strategic waters of the Arabian Sea

www.news18.com

Some gems from the above article.

btw both these boat-fakirs and the Indian Navy are given the least budgetary priorities by their respective countries, yet our guys have everything from corvettes to aircraft carriers today and these Pakis are limited to being a glorified Coast Guard now.

All their shipbuilding/repair and all is also situated on the one peninsula upon which Karachi Shipyard sits

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Open-source reports and maritime tracking data have revealed a troubling pattern – the majority of the navy’s principal surface combatants remain pier-side at Karachi naval base.

According to sources, Pakistan has only two operational submarines at present, with the rest being inactive and berthed at naval facilities. Not only that, training opportunities in the navy have become increasingly limited as operational vessels remain unavailable for extended periods, the sources said.

The sources said young officers complete their naval academy training only to find themselves assigned to ships that spend months in maintenance status. This has created a generation of naval officers with limited sea-going experience, further undermining operational competence, they said.

• Due to this, each platform requires specialised maintenance protocols, unique spare parts inventories, and distinct technical expertise. This logistical complexity has overwhelmed the navy’s maintenance infrastructure, creating bottlenecks that keep vessels tied to ports for extended periods.
• Chinese-origin vessels present particular challenges. The much-vaunted Type-054A frigates, delivered between 2021 and 2023, have experienced recurring technical issues with their radar systems and propulsion plants, requiring frequent returns to shipyard facilities.
• Financial constraints have exacerbated the maintenance crisis. The shipyard’s limitations became apparent during recent attempts to service the Type-054A frigates. These Chinese-origin vessels require specialised diagnostic equipment and proprietary software that the Karachi shipyard lacks.
• Attempts to establish repair partnerships with Chinese firms have been hampered by technology transfer restrictions and exorbitant costs, leaving many vessels in an extended maintenance limbo.
• The neighbouring country’s inability to maintain a credible naval presence in the Arabian Sea creates a vacuum. The Indian Navy has, therefore, expanded its patrol patterns and exercise schedules, effectively treating Pakistani waters as uncontested space.

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[FalconSlayers]

Aging Fleet, Maintenance Woes, Low Morale: Pakistan Navy Faces Crisis After Op Sindoor

Sources said following Operation Sindoor, Pakistan's naval fleet has been notably absent from the strategic waters of the Arabian Sea

www.news18.com

Some gems from the above article.

btw both these boat-fakirs and the Indian Navy are given the least budgetary priorities by their respective countries, yet our guys have everything from corvettes to aircraft carriers today and these Pakis are limited to being a glorified Coast Guard now.

All their shipbuilding/repair and all is also situated on the one peninsula upon which Karachi Shipyard sits

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Open-source reports and maritime tracking data have revealed a troubling pattern – the majority of the navy’s principal surface combatants remain pier-side at Karachi naval base.

According to sources, Pakistan has only two operational submarines at present, with the rest being inactive and berthed at naval facilities. Not only that, training opportunities in the navy have become increasingly limited as operational vessels remain unavailable for extended periods, the sources said.

The sources said young officers complete their naval academy training only to find themselves assigned to ships that spend months in maintenance status. This has created a generation of naval officers with limited sea-going experience, further undermining operational competence, they said.

• Due to this, each platform requires specialised maintenance protocols, unique spare parts inventories, and distinct technical expertise. This logistical complexity has overwhelmed the navy’s maintenance infrastructure, creating bottlenecks that keep vessels tied to ports for extended periods.
• Chinese-origin vessels present particular challenges. The much-vaunted Type-054A frigates, delivered between 2021 and 2023, have experienced recurring technical issues with their radar systems and propulsion plants, requiring frequent returns to shipyard facilities.
• Financial constraints have exacerbated the maintenance crisis. The shipyard’s limitations became apparent during recent attempts to service the Type-054A frigates. These Chinese-origin vessels require specialised diagnostic equipment and proprietary software that the Karachi shipyard lacks.
• Attempts to establish repair partnerships with Chinese firms have been hampered by technology transfer restrictions and exorbitant costs, leaving many vessels in an extended maintenance limbo.
• The neighbouring country’s inability to maintain a credible naval presence in the Arabian Sea creates a vacuum. The Indian Navy has, therefore, expanded its patrol patterns and exercise schedules, effectively treating Pakistani waters as uncontested space.

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Chinese equipment is pretty good, but they will take a lot of time to mature their propulsion systems for all applications, especially Naval and Air, as these are highly complex technologies, in which even we have limited capabilities compared to them and USA/Russia/EU. China wants to be self reliant hence is forced to use their own less reliable propulsion systems while improving them with each iteration (we should too), Problem with porkis arise with the fact that they are forced to buy those from China while we use far more reliable American LM2500 which we also happen to locally produce. So their navy faces a lot of issues with maintenance which PLAN won't be facing to such extent due to localised expertise and production of equipment and spares.

View: https://x.com/durmatidove/status/1915444849895202991


Porkis are industrially too primitive to make literally any sort of propulsion system, not even a 50cc bike engine on their own.

Pretty sure same is the case with their air force too, with those imported Russian/Chinese engines causing them to remain hangar queens. Begging for ceasefire came naturally from them.



That said, again India should be investing a billions on propulsion systems of every type even if they aren't as reliable as Western ones, or even Russian ones initially. Can't depend on foreign OEMs forever.

 

[shade2]

Chinese equipment is pretty good, but they will take a lot of time to mature their propulsion systems for all applications, especially Naval and Air, as these are highly complex technologies, in which even we have limited capabilities compared to them and USA/Russia/EU. China wants to be self reliant hence is forced to use their own less reliable propulsion systems while improving them with each iteration (we should too),

I assume their stuff is good, I mean what they themselves use, because they intend to go up against the US and win by beating them or by deterring them over Taiwan.
But I believe the stuff they export to Pakistan is garbage on purpose
Not even standard ((( export grade ))) cutting down no, actually sabotaged or low quality hardware.

Aside from dependence established upon Napakis, they don't want any weaknesses or other such characteristics of their equipment getting leaked to the Americans.

 

[redpanda]

Chinese equipment is pretty good, but they will take a lot of time to mature their propulsion systems for all applications, especially Naval and Air, as these are highly complex technologies, in which even we have limited capabilities compared to them and USA/Russia/EU. China wants to be self reliant hence is forced to use their own less reliable propulsion systems while improving them with each iteration (we should too), Problem with porkis arise with the fact that they are forced to buy those from China while we use far more reliable American LM2500 which we also happen to locally produce. So their navy faces a lot of issues with maintenance which PLAN won't be facing to such extent due to localised expertise and production of equipment and spares.

View: https://x.com/durmatidove/status/1915444849895202991


Porkis are industrially too primitive to make literally any sort of propulsion system, not even a 50cc bike engine on their own.

Pretty sure same is the case with their air force too, with those imported Russian/Chinese engines causing them to remain hangar queens. Begging for ceasefire came naturally from them.



That said, again India should be investing a billions on propulsion systems of every type even if they aren't as reliable as Western ones, or even Russian ones initially. Can't depend on foreign OEMs forever.

Don't we also have our own Naval propulsion systems. I recall correctly some private players do make propulsion system for some of the smaller naval vassals.

Marine - Kirloskar Oil Engines Ltd

www.kirloskaroilengines.com

 

[redpanda]

I assume their stuff is good, I mean what they themselves use, because they intend to go up against the US and win by beating them or by deterring them over Taiwan.
But I believe the stuff they export to Pakistan is garbage on purpose
Not even standard ((( export grade ))) cutting down no, actually sabotaged or low quality hardware.

Aside from dependence established upon Napakis, they don't want any weaknesses or other such characteristics of their equipment getting leaked to the Americans.

Or it could be them being just extra intelligent dhando. The more problem there is with the system, the more they charge the porkis to extract money from them.

 

[FalconSlayers]

I assume their stuff is good, I mean what they themselves use, because they intend to go up against the US and win by beating them or by deterring them over Taiwan.
But I believe the stuff they export to Pakistan is garbage on purpose
Not even standard ((( export grade ))) cutting down no, actually sabotaged or low quality hardware.

Aside from dependence established upon Napakis, they don't want any weaknesses or other such characteristics of their equipment getting leaked to the Americans.

Might be possible. I mean they rejected Z-10 helicopters over performance but ultimately bought them when Daddy Yankee slapped sanctions on the turboshaft engines for the T-129. They even wanted German engines for their Hangor subs which again got nuked, to being forced to use Chinese engines. They used JF-17 with Russian Klimov RD-93 engines as Chinese ones weren't great and forced to fly J-10C due to no other option. Yes pakis can kang over it and deny the obvious since they've only fought small scale skirmishes with us and limited war, but in a long term conflict their military will be screwed. There's a reason why PAF loves their F-16s even today.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Don't we also have our own Naval propulsion systems. I recall correctly some private players do make propulsion system for some of the smaller naval vassals.

Marine - Kirloskar Oil Engines Ltd

www.kirloskaroilengines.com

Yes it is good, but our capabilities compared to other countries is limited, in terms of:
1. Being able to even produce specific propulsion systems
2. Power output of those engines
3. Reliability and probability of failure/snag
4. Mean time between overhaul and repairs

There are various types of propulsion systems and the one above is one such system, but I am talking specifically about marine gas turbines. Better to discuss it somewhere else.

 

[shade2]

Might be possible. I mean they rejected Z-10 helicopters over performance but ultimately bought them when Daddy Yankee slapped sanctions on the turboshaft engines for the T-129. They even wanted German engines for their Hangor subs which again got nuked, to being forced to use Chinese engines. They used JF-17 with Russian Klimov RD-93 engines as Chinese ones weren't great and forced to fly J-10C due to no other option. Yes pakis can kang over it and deny the obvious since they've only fought small scale skirmishes with us and limited war, but in a long term conflict their military will be screwed. There's a reason why PAF loves their F-16s even today.

The absolute comedy part of this particular issue was that the Chinese have like 30 subs of the same model, used in their own Navy, all those have those German engines.

But the Germans suddenly woke up when the Chings were exporting these subs to Paki and Thailand

Absolute state of these jahils, I pray the day comes when both their sponsors are "disabled" and we have the industry, manpower and decisiveness at the Govt and people levels to Do the Needful once and for all.

 

[redpanda]

Yes it is good, but our capabilities compared to other countries is limited, in terms of:
1. Being able to even produce specific propulsion systems
2. Power output of those engines
3. Reliability and probability of failure/snag
4. Mean time between overhaul and repairs

There are various types of propulsion systems and the one above is one such system, but I am talking specifically about marine gas turbines. Better to discuss it somewhere else.

Well I agree with you here. Our capabilities are still very limited. Hopefully as time goes on we improve. KMT probably had some inherent issues ig that's why Navy never went ahead with it. Somebody told me it had reliability issue, it produced the necessary power but was too heavy. And it was not reliably producing it.

 

[shade2]

Well I agree with you here. Our capabilities are still very limited. Hopefully as time goes on we improve. KMT probably had some inherent issues ig that's why Navy never went ahead with it. Somebody told me it had reliability issue, it produced the necessary power but was too heavy. And it was not reliably producing it.

Kaveri gas turbines never got the attention they deserved from the Govt in terms of getting smart guys, stealing tech from 5 places, buying infrastructure or getting funding in general.

ISRO does launches on shoe string budgets, Navy builds ships on budgetary peanuts and these babootards think that such making do with what you have is a good thing and should be a standard

 

[Viper316]

Most of the pak air activity sorties rolled out in Sindh Province . It seems porkis wary of the upcoming IAF air exercise planned at the border areas of Rajasthan on 9th July. Or preparations underway fot a grand military coup, failed munir about to take over ?? The sceptical statement by bilawal bhuto on handing over terrorists could be a hint


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[redpanda]

Kaveri gas turbines never got the attention they deserved from the Govt in terms of getting smart guys, stealing tech from 5 places, buying infrastructure or getting funding in general.

ISRO does launches on shoe string budgets, Navy builds ships on budgetary peanuts and these babootards think that such making do with what you have is a good thing and should be a standard

Tbh KMT technically had go ahead from the government. It is IN which didn't give the green signal in this case. What was the reason they probably know. Knowing IN I think there was probably some genuine problem with it. Kaveri was already a very ambitious project (somebody on this or other forum had mentioned it had 6 compressors only compared to engine in its class which had 7+ compressors, essentially there was flaw in its design) and our manufacturing process back then wasn't really that great. If we had built Kaveri with what we have today, it would have been a much better engine..

 

[Viper316]

Ninda mama too started posting cryptic messages.


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