Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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That's not how you go into a war. A war even if brief is fought to fortify a nation's Narrative and Military Goals.
Our National narrative was well thought and absolutely flawless - We are targeting Terrorists infrastructure and operations are non-escalatory in nature by not targeting Military establishments. But if there is retaliation we will hit with impunity. (Credit to Political leaders and DGMO cohesive approach)
Our Military goal was to establish military superiority as credible deterrence and not Nuclear bakwas as deterrence (IAF flying for 3 nights with impunity and no Op Swift Retard type adventure by Fizayilya is testament).
OUR JOB IS TO HIT TARGETS WITH IMPUNITY , WITH PRECISION & IN PART OF PAXISTANI IMPURE LAND". IT IS DG-ISPR JOB TO COUNT THE NUMBER OF JETS & BODY BAGS
We were successful however, our dumbass awaam, still thinks western media is paragon of truth, most of them will believe any lie as long as it's told in sophisticated english, compare that to Russians who truly know the how massive of a whore western press is, that's why even after initial failures and relentless propoganda they still have faith in their forces.
 
Rafale wasn't armed with meteor because genlols were "targeting terrorist only".
Absolute rubbish. As of now Meteors are still being integrated with our aircraft and are not even operational as per available sources I could read. Probably Rafale was carrying MICA as its longest range AAM and that is what was also visible in Bathinda crash video in the form of the MICA launcher debris. If Rafales were armed with Meteors then 100% pakis would've faced attrition. Truth is, IAF again got outranged like it got in 2019. Only time IAF outranged PAF was during Kargil war due to which PAF never dared engage us in A2A combat. It's upto IAF to maintain that deterrence through Astra Mk-3 "Gandiva" or Meteors or R-37s in future.
 
You can't fight without losses. The assumption that you could destroy the PAF without more losses and risking unprecedented escalation is weird. People talk of attacking Karachi, where do you think the retaliation will be? Mumbai, Reliance refinery...Mundra port...If you think a couple of Rafales are expensive , wait till you see serious economic losses.

Public opinion is fickle. One day, they are blaming Modi for not attacking more and the next day, they will be blaming Modi for the consequences of attacking more....

We all want more to be done but must learn to live with the doable.
I think you are missing a nuance. Modi is being questioned on why the unnecessary restraint on day 1 which led to potential losses? PAF did swift retard in 2019 when only one remote camp was hit. What has changed since then? Once you decided to go to war, go with everything you got. You don't get extra credit for doing it with one hand tied and on the contrary the pussified approach/losses will lose you the narrative war which is crucial in deterrence. Had we sliced land in POJK, destroyed Karachi/Gwadar ports better deterrence could have been achieved as these are facts that even the retard Pakis couldnt have denied!!
 
So nobody is going to question the need to go to Bloomberg to accept losses??

What is this facade of being fair in front of Goras when you choose not to disclose details in press briefing..

Are we becoming vassal of US???



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I agree completely. We must just shut about foreign media bias if we feel that our first interviews should be to the very same media.
 
You can't fight without losses. The assumption that you could destroy the PAF without more losses and risking unprecedented escalation is weird. People talk of attacking Karachi, where do you think the retaliation will be? Mumbai, Reliance refinery...Mundra port...If you think a couple of Rafales are expensive , wait till you see serious economic losses.

Public opinion is fickle. One day, they are blaming Modi for not attacking more and the next day, they will be blaming Modi for the consequences of attacking more....

We all want more to be done but must learn to live with the doable.
Don't accept this outcome, I know nothing is in our hands but had we accepted the same after balakot ,
Pm would not have even retaliated probably.
More can be done , heck it could have been done .
This amnesia in our establishement is mind boggling regarding them
Any honourable enemy would have accepted their losses, but pakis need to be defeated thoroughly like 1971 , you don't fight them in conventional manner
They have spun thier claim of our jets being downed , with चीन help and the statement given by cds today to victory over us .
They have made equal equal again.
Their imaginary claim of jets being shot down is literally dominant over the hard proof of damages we have caused and shown to the world.
When you attack them, attack everything there, heck target the militray first, terrorists are part of thier military, always have been.
Even after pahalgam we differentiated, between the two is deplorable.
Also the damage caused to their base was not great either,which wider world will remember, nor was navy used in offensive role.
We hyperventilate when anybody hyphenates us with pakis , yet we do and act in such a manner as to warrant such hyphenation.
Sorry , but that's the truth.
Air to air combat is glorious ,when decades have passed people will not remember the hangers we laid to waste , rather they will remember the paki claim of aerial victory.
 
And btw what this statement meant that next time Navy will be used to attack ..Does this mean IAF is incapable in dealing with PAF?
"X is good"
"You mean Y is bad"

I get that you are angry but dont twist his words. Focus on gains, talking about this is what would give pak an upper hand, forget this and magnify THEIR losses.
 
No platform is invincible, ask USAF, they lost some top of line stealth platform to 3rd grade sam systems in the past. But does that mean it's going to happen every time? Obviously no. Mistakes happen, but it's about the ultimate result that's matter. As CDS rightly pointed out, if you can correct your mistakes and achieve your mission goals, it's the optimal outcome and if your dissatisfaction or disappointment is with regard to acceptance or non acceptance of our losses by our airforce, then one must understand the GOI has not declared the Op sindoor has ended. It's still on and if it's still on war is not over. Every bit of information about of our strength and weakness is might be important to our forces. So as a good citizen one might show restraint and patience and sync with what our government is doing right now.
Exactly a F-117 considered invincible by the West was shot down by Pechora in 1999 Kosovo war .. did the muricans panicked to admit the shot down or did they stopped using F-117 again in combat .. CDS clearly said there was a tactical mistake not technical .. which was to conduct air operations without taking out their AD once we taken care of it we had run over on their air bases . why is that Super PL-15 , Awacs and chinese super satellite not able to come to rescue of Pakis on 10th-11th nights ???

What is still on ? are we now planning for a attack next week or next month .. just because they said Op Sin is not over doesn't mean the ops is still going on every week ..
 
I avoided saying this till now because I thought the official line was to deny aircraft losses. But since the CDS has gone and confirmed to media:

1. If the reason no SEAD/DEAD was conducted on the first day was a political desicion then there needs to be accountability. Unfortunately hat means this will turn into a political circus, but so be it.

2. Confirming (or hinting, as they did in the past) that there are losses. But not confirming specifics is the worst of both worlds. Gives room for speculations to run wild. Either deny or announce what they actually are.
 
nothing was revealed in the interview that wasnt revealed on day 3 itself during the PC. the issue is why the fk is he giving an interview to bloomberg like an idiot. Anyways, pakistanis are an inbred quom who will declare victory regardless. IAF and IA should stop fingerpointing and mass induct multiple regiments of guided pinaka, MRSAM, QRSAM, Akash and Pralays.
 
I think you are missing a nuance. Modi is being questioned on why the unnecessary restraint on day 1 which led to potential losses? PAF did swift retard in 2019 when only one remote camp was hit. What has changed since then? Once you decided to go to war, go with everything you got. You don't get extra credit for doing it with one hand tied and on the contrary the pussified approach/losses will lose you the narrative war which is crucial in deterrence. Had we sliced land in POJK, destroyed Karachi/Gwadar ports better deterrence could have been achieved as these are facts that even the retard Pakis couldnt have denied!!
You know, Truman was repeatedly told by his Generals to nuke China during the Korean war . While Mao put up a brave face and said that China could bear the loss of a few cities, there is little doubt that if nuclear weapons were used, China would have lost. Truman demurred, the Korean war ended in a stalemate and the cost to the US has been infinitely more than if they had nuked and defeated China.

There is sometimes more nuance to a decision than what we can see. More compulsion, more pressure...We need to accept the good instead of harking for the best solution which may never come. Very easy to say that we can bear the costs when we are not directly responsible for those decisions. Some prudence and some perspective won't hurt.
 
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You can't fight without losses. The assumption that you could destroy the PAF without more losses and risking unprecedented escalation is weird. People talk of attacking Karachi, where do you think the retaliation will be? Mumbai, Reliance refinery...Mundra port...If you think a couple of Rafales are expensive , wait till you see serious economic losses.

Public opinion is fickle. One day, they are blaming Modi for not attacking more and the next day, they will be blaming Modi for the consequences of attacking more....

We all want more to be done but must learn to live with the doable.
Exactly. In WW2, Nazis shot Allied Aircrafts but Allies won by bombing German air force airbases, their ground infrastructure and disabling lot of them.
 
Absolute rubbish. As of now Meteors are still being integrated with our aircraft and are not even operational as per available sources I could read. Probably Rafale was carrying MICA as its longest range AAM and that is what was also visible in Bathinda crash video in the form of the MICA launcher debris. If Rafales were armed with Meteors then 100% pakis would've faced attrition. Truth is, IAF again got outranged like it got in 2019. Only time IAF outranged PAF was during Kargil war due to which PAF never dared engage us in A2A combat. It's upto IAF to maintain that deterrence through Astra Mk-3 "Gandiva" or Meteors or R-37s in future.

Doesn't make sense. Why would the French not deliver Meteor even after the delivery of Rafales? If they are delivered then it can be mated with Rafale as the French have the source code anyway. We don't know whether they were armed with Meteor or not. But the whole hype about PL-15E is BS. That missile does not have 400km range in real conditions. And neither JF-17 or J-10 has the capability to guide PL-15E until terminal phase. Their onboard radars have less than 200km detection range realistically speaking.

Some things are still not making sense. If Pakis were really confident about shooting down Jets why did their air force was barely in action when we were pounding them after that night? F-16s were not in action. They seem to have relied on JF-17 and J-10. IAF needs to get it's act together and go for the kill next time. Pakis are not going to get any air defense systems anytime soon. It's time for Phase 2 of operation sindoor. Their air assets must be destroyed without any restraint.
 
This is based on fake assumption that it was shot down. Our CDS clearly stated that "It" went down and not shot down. There can be other mechanical failure also.
What he actually said was that aircraft were not available on May 7th because Pakistani air defenses were active. By May 9th and 10th, those air defenses had been suppressed, and the aircraft became available again. However, he was speaking in precise military language, which needs to be translated into simpler, layman terms. As a serving military personnel, though, he is not permitted to speak in layman language.
 
@rockdog don't feel smug mate, your gifts to your vassal still proved useless.
Be it your drones or HQ9 or your radars !
Also your fighter jets hitting ours is still not confirmed , rather a speculation with no proof.
Your weapons have been discredited beyond doubt in their first actual usage , you should be thankful our navy didn't engage them, or your ships too could have been exposed badly
Also those pl 15s are a good gift .
 
I have said it before, iaf operational command has some retards in it, they didn't conduct SEAD/DEAD before going in. Anyways I hope we get to witness round 2 soon.
What the fuck how is IAF or military responsible for not doing SEAD .. Don't underestimate leader ji over whelming restraint pressure which comes out of no where .. if you read the May 7th official PIB press release it was carefully mentioned controlled and calibrated action only on terror targets only . So you send IAF one hand tied to only target terror pad knowing very well enemy is sitting with his AD on after knowing what we did in 2019 is half suicidal

when forces are pushed with a one hand objective they would also not like to get cornered and take up the mission and come up with best possible action plan with least self casualty outcome but then you will only know how will your tactics when you go out in the field and what enemy has prepared to counter it .

Blame everything on the Babus and politicians who wanted to push in their objectives in military action .
 
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