Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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Gandaberunda said:
We have to boycott turkey and azeris not symbolically but seriously. From back channels Govt should advise Indians travelling to these countries no help will be provided of any things happen while on those countries ( no help from Indian embassies) this will make the ones who are willing to re think their decisions.

Also there is no direct flights to Greece. Indian careers should tap in and start flying directly to Athens. Once travel patterns are set people will gradually avoid those two countries
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Rather they must tell the airlines and tour package merchants to do the needful viz Turkey.
In addition those doing to Turkroachistan for reasons other than tourismo should be surveilled.

Lots of domestic greens go there for ((( education ))) etc
 
delta said:
care to share any tidbits? i've not seen much improvements myself, but don't have the pointers handy.
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*i saw a couple of post on 9gags, in the comments, most poster agreed with Indian POV
*reddit military forums where rafale incident was just brushed aside with indifference to some rebuff as those being tool of war
* you tube military channels analysing India's strike on paki bases
I will post the relevant urls when I come across
 
If we fix our air force, in 10 years we can have insane war fighting capabilities. I hope now GoI takes defense budget seriously and uses it to buy indigenous weapons. Whatever imports we do today should only be a stop gap measure. Our defense exports which are at 23,000 crore last year should have a 10 fold increase. From bullet proof vests to low tier ammunition to high tech defense systems, we should consider exporting it to friendly countries. We should build mega military industrial complex with the entire supply chain in the country. Building high tech military gear will have a spin off effect on other industries. Just take a look at how Israel benefitted from it.

We need to bifurcate our military budget from now on. Out of $77 billion allocated last year, nearly 50% gets spent in salaries and pensions. Rest goes for operational expenses and maintaining existing military hardware. This leaves little to acquire new weapon systems. We should give additional $3 billion each to all 3 branches of armed forces to acquire new weapons each year within the country. Some exceptions can be made to import few weapons. But we should give a chance for indigenous weapons and they should be made to order at least in limited quantities. In the midst of all these, I hope our policy makers don't forget cyber warfare. Chinese are making rapid strides in this area. We need to pay our top talent well and retain them in the country.
 
chnvipgz said:
Tom Cooper's assessment of this war



What can we conclude from all this?

Well, as you wish. Indeed, if you wish, join the Pakistanis (and outlets like CNN) and celebrate a "victory," as their prime minister announced. Many Indians are no doubt angry because they feel their government "didn't finish the job"—even if it had the chance.

But beware: New Delhi has changed its strategy, and Pakistan must now expect a similar – military – response to any new terrorist attack in India. Pakistani deterrence has failed: in fact, it is now non-existent (especially if the Indians continue to improve their stockpiles of air defense munitions). The fighting has also stopped without Islamabad having at least attempted to resolve the issue of New Delhi's suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty. One may also wonder whether Beijing will rush to compensate Pakistani losses and munitions expenditures: I don't think that is likely, unless "someone" (read: Qatar) pays.

Regarding military matters… Unlike the war in Ukraine, this war was fought primarily with 1990s technology, with some improvements over the 2000s. While both India and Pakistan have “decent” integrated air defense systems (IADS) and have deployed attack drones in large numbers, despite significant improvements over the past 20 years (and especially the past 10), they have deployed heavy and expensive systems based on late 20th-century technology. Aside from some self-imposed constraints (on the Indian side), the generals of both countries are still 10 to 15 years behind. That is why they have not yet fully adapted to the latest developments. Indeed, it is likely that this "detail" contributed precisely to Pakistan's decision not only not to escalate, but to stop: due to insufficient stockpiles, its armed forces were on the verge of running out of the only types of munitions that had proven useful – such as attack drones – "even" in a conflict as brief as this one.

Certainly, Pakistan has made better use of the last few years than India, and not only has it acquired "platforms" (first and foremost aircraft), but it has also improved its electronic warfare capabilities and acquired the software necessary for better integration of its weapons. However, the PAF —like the rest of the Pakistani armed forces—severely lacks long-range ground attack weapons. Despite all their claims and boasts, they have no, or far too few, missiles capable of achieving pinpoint accuracy over a range of 300 to 400 km. Certainly nothing comparable to India's Brahmos and SCALP-EGs. Unless Pakistan finds a way to manufacture attack drones similar to Iran's Shaheed, and in large quantities, the situation is unlikely to change anytime soon. In this regard, Pakistan's generals have "missed the boat."

At least the PAF is now capable of conducting "network-centric warfare": it is entirely possible (even likely) that the Pakistani Navy could do the same; only the Pakistani Army is uncertain in this regard. On the contrary, and with the exception of its air defense, India has taken far too little initiative in this regard. The IAF, in particular, is still considerably behind: at present, it is not even clear whether the much-heralded acquisition of secure radios and a system enabling network-centric warfare from Israel has been applied to its entire fleet, or (much more likely) only to a part of its fighter-bomber fleet. That said, once the Indians reset their command and control system and started from scratch—by neutralizing Pakistani air defenses—their conduct of operations improved markedly. Above all, they became professional and remained focused on the essentials, such as neutralizing the PAF air defenses and the PA artillery . When such an operation is carried out in a well-organized manner, positive results are inevitable. In comparison, Pakistani conduct began to degenerate into targeting religious sites (such as Amritsar, with its Sikh holy sites), and making unfounded claims of “destroying S-400s in Adampur” – as if the destruction of a single S-400 SAM system could have completely reversed the situation.

Above all, the intelligence services on both sides failed (and miserably) to learn about major events and report them, while the generals on both sides displayed their usual lack of imagination and inflexible conservatism in planning and conducting operations. No one in India or Pakistan dares to take risks, as doing so could turn out to be a mistake. Unsurprisingly, one thing remains unchanged, and it is already a certainty: in the vocabulary of the Indian armed forces, all this was a "cross-border incident." Not a "war"...

Finally, and most importantly: not only India, but also "the West" might want to – finally – start taking Chinese PR weapons systems much more seriously than they usually do.

That's about it for this "tour"—from me and, I guess, from India and Pakistan too. Thanks for reading all this.

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ADD-ON in reaction to several related questions: Frankly (as always), I couldn't care less about CNN & Co KG GesmbH AG's PR efforts, New Delhi's insistence that "we are a responsible democracy and therefore cannot proclaim military victories," and even less about Western "military experts."

When one side bombs the other's nuclear weapons storage facilities, and the other has no opportunity to retaliate, then that is a clear victory in my eyes.

In this case: a clear victory for India.

Unsurprisingly, Islamabad has "called" for a "ceasefire".
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The guy has no idea how networked Indian armed forces are especially the IADS part of it & with the deployment of ~ 50 satellites under the SBS-3 spy satellite program due by 2029-30 now brought forward to 2026-27 the level of networking will go up several notches .

The BMD program will also be part of our comprehensive network . As of now only the US , Russia & Israel have this capability with Russia proving to be the weak link as far as drone warfare goes. China's still in the process of implementing its BMD network under Russia's consultancy .

Then you've India which is in between all the aforementioned powers in terms of capacities capabilities & deployment.
 
Tumba said:
Seems like offensive drones operations are put on hold after pakistan asked for pause of drone games.

Lets see how many days, weeks it lasts

India is launching drones inside pakistan after Trump tweets in response of paki aggression.
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Butter Chicken said:
Looks like all quiet today, no drones reported. Jernails must be furious with Modi after his speech
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Because of this ?

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shade2 said:
Rather they must tell the airlines and tour package merchants to do the needful viz Turkey.
In addition those doing to Turkroachistan for reasons other than tourismo should be surveilled.

Lots of domestic greens go there for ((( education ))) etc
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Turkey also acts as a launchpad from where illegal Muslim migrants are pushed into Europe. This is a bone of contention between RW Europeans and Turkey.
 
Ya'll Nibbiars The 70 Military Attache present at a briefing by Lt Gen DS Rana, Director General Defence Intelligence Agency.

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Muzh said:
Turkey also acts as a launchpad from where illegal Muslim migrants are pushed into Europe. This is a bone of contention between RW Europeans and Turkey.
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They should kick turkey out of NATO tbh. Hopefully one day they do. Would be a funny thing to see. :bplease:
 
Why do we keep briefing like a university programme 🤣 before attacking we brief during attack we brief and after attack we brief. We collectively breif again after operations are over ceasefire done. It looks like we have a briefing institute within our army and diplomats.
 
All of Israel's customers are surely thinking about getting elements of Indian SAM systems after the stellar performance of Akash and other indigenous elements.
I am quite sure that Indo-Pacific sales are going to skyrocket.
As for Brahmos. Phillipinos must be over the moon to have made such a rock-solid investment. Now they will be even more rabidly anti Chinese.
Also this is a good time to hasten the completion of Mark2 of Brahmos.
 
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