Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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Immanuel said:
In light of urgent needs IAF should order the Su-57 with latest engines. We should also buy 2 extra regiments of S400 and 5 Regiments of the S500, we should also opt for local assembly with TOT.
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It's too late to go with the Su-57. Even if we start now and make no unnecessary delays, we are looking at 3 years of negotiations and discussions with respect to the specifications. The Russians themselves have very few Su-57. So few that one could believe they are nothing but glorified prototypes and they need further funding and materials coming in en masse (the latter being not possible due to sanctions or something). It'll take them at least 3-4 years further to conduct proper research to ensure that it lives up to the desired parameters and can be pushed into production.

It'll take some time for the factories to be set up and given that Russians are notorious for delays, include 2 years for it to enter production, factoring everything foreseen and unforeseen. You are looking at 8-9 years before India takes ownership of it's first Su-57. The Russians will obviously want it for their own air force, which means the sum total of Su-57s produced won't just be for the IAF. It will take another 5 years for all orders to be fulfilled. We're now looking at 14 years, realistically but if you are an optimist, it'll take 10-12 years minimum. It's not worth it IMHO.

It's better to stick with AMCA and fund it appropriately with no delays. The knowledge and experience DRDO ADA would've gained in developing it will give them a very good expertise and momentum to carry forward with the development of a sixth generation fighter as well. India simply cannot be dependent on Russia or any country for that matter as far as defense equipment goes, by the time 2040s roll in. That's the decade that'll either solidify India as a great power or whether it will be a dud.
 
Nicky said:
How does a random blogger has sensitive information to share with Porkies?


View: https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1923667423141503390?t=87QEXpntKHaVEelr9mVIWw&s=19


View: https://x.com/LogicLitLatte/status/1923693001563381767?t=Jh72LtJwG7flVJ_TibgOBw&s=19

Any blogger / YT personality going to Porkland should be interrogated.
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Whole bollywood biggies,indian tiktokers in dubai all use hawala ways to send black money to white and invest across the world through money handlers who are pakistani isi agents they know everything about these influenza and filmstars etc .But govt can only arrest folks who are directly involved in getting paid for sending info to porkistan.

Watch this video from jo malhotra channel not just her but many youtubers from gurugram were part of pakistani eid iftari including sgpc president and a congress hindu baba.


View: https://youtu.be/hMWmBaCiWWM?si=oamR7p8yYHEUrZw9

She visited kashmir too and video graphed army installations she may have someone in higher up who gave her those permissions.
She maybe arrested because she couldn't bribe the upsc and police babus like those bollywoodias do.Many upsc,military folks are also traitors like swara bhaskar dad.


View: https://x.com/chupchaplo/status/1923712028310385100?t=TsO3zS0QmjcHOp3aTgLv1A&s=19

Here is the pakistani guy doing recce in india.He is a dual national govt must ban all pakistani origin muslim to come to india.But why did our upsc babu allowed pakistani national in india to videograph sensitive sites in metro cities.

View: https://youtu.be/Lw1W9vj28kQ?si=etPnXu5sx074eoSI
 
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Decahex said:
It's too late to go with the Su-57. Even if we start now and make no unnecessary delays, we are looking at 3 years of negotiations and discussions with respect to the specifications. The Russians themselves have very few Su-57. So few that one could believe they are nothing but glorified prototypes and they need further funding and materials coming in en masse (the latter being not possible due to sanctions or something). It'll take them at least 3-4 years further to conduct proper research to ensure that it lives up to the desired parameters and can be pushed into production.

It'll take some time for the factories to be set up and given that Russians are notorious for delays, include 2 years for it to enter production, factoring everything foreseen and unforeseen. You are looking at 8-9 years before India takes ownership of it's first Su-57. The Russians will obviously want it for their own air force, which means the sum total of Su-57s produced won't just be for the IAF. It will take another 5 years for all orders to be fulfilled. We're now looking at 14 years, realistically but if you are an optimist, it'll take 10-12 years minimum. It's not worth it IMHO.

It's better to stick with AMCA and fund it appropriately with no delays. The knowledge and experience DRDO ADA would've gained in developing it will give them a very good expertise and momentum to carry forward with the development of a sixth generation fighter as well. India simply cannot be dependent on Russia or any country for that matter as far as defense equipment goes, by the time 2040s roll in. That's the decade that'll either solidify India as a great power or whether it will be a dud.
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I too have my doubts about Su-57 and it might need more funding which we can provide. It might not compare to F22 but I am certain it's better than Chini trash.

We simply do not have any other option for 5th gen FA. So we should get started on war footing and buy directly like we did with Rafales if required. ToT and Indian manufacturing can be done later.
 
Nicky said:
I too have my doubts about Su-57 and it might need more funding which we can provide. It might not compare to F22 but I am certain it's better than Chini trash.

We simply do not have any other option for 5th gen FA. So we should get started on war footing and buy directly like we did with Rafales if required. ToT and Indian manufacturing can be done later.
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Buy what though? The Russians don't have the Su-57s in spades. This suggests that the manufacturing is very limited even of the current variant. If it failed to impress us 10 years ago and didn't really impress recently either, buying it en masse (which involves waiting for the production lines to set up, which will take longer than usual given the sanctions imposed on Russia) is a huge blunder. Assuming in this irrational desperation we still go ahead, we are still looking at 5 years to get 2-3 squadrons of a flawed product. It will be a blunder of magnanimous proportions. Since it won't be developed or manufactured in-house, any feedback and modifications will go in a convoluted loop and will take longer to implement.

Also, do not underestimate the Chinese. Even if you hard lowball the J-20 as nothing more than 4.5 generation, it has been produced in large numbers and for enough time for the bird to have been matured both. As far as Fifth Gen fighters go, China is solidly ahead of Russia.
 
Cheepek said:
If they want to fight again, they will have to replenish their damaged AD, will they use the same failed Chinese AD again? Dilemma, but gotta keep an eye on their acquisitions. They will try to plug holes before trying something funny again.
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Absolutely! We will need to watch Pakistanese weapons' acquisition like a hawk. If we feel like, a particular Pakistanese acquisition would pose a threat to us, we should find an excuse and start a war with Pakistan to take that asset out. There is nothing wrong with a nation acquiring weapons for self defense. But, Pakistan is a special case for it posses rabid hatred towards Hindus.

One more thing: we need to keep an eye on the recent AMRAAM deal US signed with Turkey. I have a feeling US is using Turkey as a buffer to arm Pakistan.
 
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HAL is severely shortstaffed. they simply do not have the resources to develop so many different jet projects concurrently. Total HAL manpower is 30k, compared to 121k for lockheed martin, 400k for AVIC. Expecting them to deliver anything on time, especially for current generation projects that require deep research is hard with this. Modi government has done literally NOTHING to expand HAL in the last decade. Manpower strength is the same as last decade.
 
fire starter said:
It's always the same physiognomy.

View: https://x.com/KraantiKumar/status/1923674338240172062?t=8qBh7LhTDqKHu_AGIgEWLA&s=19


View: https://x.com/SiddharthKG7/status/1923711240943071737?t=wJvF9uir0ZEaSW98cZwlrw&s=19

A pervert degenerate feminist is a perfect tool for anti national elements.
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Opposite also happen our youtuber Jimmy gandhi managed to win the heart of the daughter of a pakistani millionaire arisha.India will win this game too in the long run.
One raw agent married the daughter of isi legend and islamic poet khayyam sarhidi.


View: https://x.com/itsme_ijk/status/1878803969662943687


View: https://youtu.be/9jsjYDp2YSo?si=1oHghDIdIPJ_UG7F
 
angryindian said:
Let alone China, Pakistan will be getting it's hands on J35A starting next year, So by the time India gets its first AMCA, they would have at least 2-3 Squadrons of J35 and a good 12-14 years advantage over the IAF.
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J35 is not in production yet.
Only porki sources confirmed that they were undergoing training.
But we should still not underestimate the ability of porkies to beg.
Anyways at the production of the aircraft itself is not started they won't get it for at least 3 years from now that too considering china is willing to give it to them for free.
They had purchased j10c which was probably 2nd hand so they should be purchasing more of that jet only
 
silentassassin265 said:
They are more like porki sponsored PR agents rather than real spy
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Nope two of them in punjab supplied military movement near cantonment and sites of air defence during operation sindur.Jo malhotra was in kashmir and video graphed sensitive equipments and even got money from pakistan to distribute to folks who visited indian defence showcase in Bengaluru.One of the pakistani highcomission staff was kicked out and his devices were seized from there these folks were caught.


View: https://youtu.be/b28oHG0vOvQ?si=HsbBP3SyUpyCnYzK
 
Captscooby said:
party already took a stand on him

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It smells like a ploy by BJP to further the cracks between him and cong.

Ajatshatru said:
Pakistanis: “Give us the J-35 for free — with full transfer of technology — or we’re heading to Turkey for the KAAN!”
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What absolute fucking retardation, as if chinks on goatfucking forum has ANY political power in their country to give j-35. Plus ToT?? Theses fuckers cant make dildos out of already shaped wood and a motor, how the fuck are they gonna make j-35 :smiley-crying:
 
Decahex said:
It's too late to go with the Su-57. Even if we start now and make no unnecessary delays, we are looking at 3 years of negotiations and discussions with respect to the specifications. The Russians themselves have very few Su-57. So few that one could believe they are nothing but glorified prototypes and they need further funding and materials coming in en masse (the latter being not possible due to sanctions or something). It'll take them at least 3-4 years further to conduct proper research to ensure that it lives up to the desired parameters and can be pushed into production.

It'll take some time for the factories to be set up and given that Russians are notorious for delays, include 2 years for it to enter production, factoring everything foreseen and unforeseen. You are looking at 8-9 years before India takes ownership of it's first Su-57. The Russians will obviously want it for their own air force, which means the sum total of Su-57s produced won't just be for the IAF. It will take another 5 years for all orders to be fulfilled. We're now looking at 14 years, realistically but if you are an optimist, it'll take 10-12 years minimum. It's not worth it IMHO.

It's better to stick with AMCA and fund it appropriately with no delays. The knowledge and experience DRDO ADA would've gained in developing it will give them a very good expertise and momentum to carry forward with the development of a sixth generation fighter as well. India simply cannot be dependent on Russia or any country for that matter as far as defense equipment goes, by the time 2040s roll in. That's the decade that'll either solidify India as a great power or whether it will be a dud.
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The first squadron will be made in Russia only and we can use or add additional line of production at hal itself.
More s400 won't help much we use multiple defence later hence we need cheaper solution like iron beam for smaller drones.
S500 can be added tough.
 
Samaritan said:
China will never for WAR like 1962 with India ! They will only arm all neighbors of India and make their relation with India unstable. At the most they will show up their Army on East at the major conflict with PAK.
They know very well that any direct confrontation with India will have huge collateral damage to them and their position in world platform will shake.
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China does have a viable angle to persue war with india.

The clear-cut thinking Chinese have- from CCP to the rank and file, is similar to how we view Pakistan- that they can easily crush us. For them its not a debate, as they will throw million trillion stats of chinese paper superiority - both technological and quantitative. yeilding 'decisive' superiority in their eyes.
This is why, Chinese DO NOT percieve war with India as viable unless it can capture significant territory. Without Chinku being confident they WILL conquer significant territory from us, they wont persue a war with us. However, if chinku is confident it WILL conquer territory permanently from us, they WILL attack, no if and or buts. Pakistan or no pakistan. However, a Chinese 'operation sindoor' will be decisive failure in Chinese minds, as they are extremely land oriented or 'ideology' oriented in their PRC state- to justify war.

In Chinese eyes, there is three scenarios to satisfy this war goal:
a) Pernamently screw over India in tibetan plateau by pushing India out of DBO,Shyok valley and making Karakoram-Zanskar range the hard boundary between India and China

b) Take significant chunk/all of Arunachal Pradesh

c) Take Tawang.

Of all the 3 scenarios, their most achievable scenario is option c) in terms of logistics/action if we are not vigilant and well defended and of all 3, option c) is also the greatest political mileage for PRC, because it completes the Tibetan buddhism puzzle and puts ALL the monasteries that elect the Dalai Llama under Chinese jurisdiction- something they historically claim.

THIS is the only plausible angle in Chinese spheres and they basically see it more or less as 'when the current Dalai Llama dies, we elect new puppet and if India even does choo-chaa, we take Tawang and India's temporal/theological capaity to be kabaab-mein-haddi.
Option c) is also by far the most attractive to them, since it is also the most limited in scope of actual war- as its a blitzkreig against one location in their minds- thus they have the greatest confidence in controlling option c) amongst all the other options.

Incase anyone is wondering 'why wouldnt china want to take a war of scope like Vietnam-China war, where Chinese goal was to teach Vietnam a lesson, not hold land in significant amounts', the answer is simple - China got its nose bloodied in vietnam and thousands of PLA troops killed or captured, with minimal land gains- like they literally gained a quarter of Goa over the entire Vietnam-China border at the expense of 2000+ troops. Thats why China is loathe to attempt anything more than salami slicing, unless it can achieve one of above 3 options against India.

This i know, because i have plenty of contact with direct Chinese in the last quarter century of my life as i lived in a city for this duration that has like 100s of thousands of chinese people living in it and they are not 100 years ago diaspora chinese like Frisco, but recent arrival Chinese for most part.
 
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