Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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Immanuel said:
In light of urgent needs IAF should order the Su-57 with latest engines. We should also buy 2 extra regiments of S400 and 5 Regiments of the S500, we should also opt for local assembly with TOT.
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Muh putin daddy didnt give us any slot for flying testbed trials of KDE from more then a year
Its ready and lying in bangaluru
 
Tumba said:
Tejas MK1A is F404 only we could have at-least better control with France as they only care about money not Indian containment like US
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SAFRAN came certified our Kaveri can be flight tested. Then the proposal become M88 core with Kaveri engine, which does not went through.

MWF needs even higher thrust engine which is F414 and France don't have those engines. For AMCA we need 130KN Engine which is not available with France. So what we are trying to collaborate there. Even the 130KN will be major project where we are dangling carrots to RR, SAFRAN and GE. SAFRAN don't have any working prototype of that class we need to pour money along with SAFRAN to build. Also France is trying some 6th Program.
 
Nicky said:
How does a random blogger has sensitive information to share with Porkies?


View: https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1923667423141503390?t=87QEXpntKHaVEelr9mVIWw&s=19


View: https://x.com/LogicLitLatte/status/1923693001563381767?t=Jh72LtJwG7flVJ_TibgOBw&s=19

Any blogger / YT personality going to Porkland should be interrogated.
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An avg normal citizen can still provide sensetive informations like movement of troops, deployment location, information about certain key personnels, etc.
 
ArjunMK1A said:
SAFRAN came certified our Kaveri can be flight tested. Then the proposal become M88 core with Kaveri engine, which does not went through.

MWF needs even higher thrust engine which is F414 and France don't have those engines. For AMCA we need 130KN Engine which is not available with France. So what we are trying to collaborate there. Even the 130KN will be major project where we are dangling carrots to RR, SAFRAN and GE. SAFRAN don't have any working prototype of that class we need to pour money along with SAFRAN to build. Also France is trying some 6th Program.
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We should go with Rolls Royce since they fulfill our conditions. French being French will rip us off as they are saying they will hold 50% IPR which means we will be beholden to pay them royalties forever. No need to say anything about General electric, they won't give us shit. UK is in need of money for their 6th generation program and they won't hesitate to give us full IPR because they are already working on next generation jet engine technology for their Tempest program. I hope our side don't low ball themselves to 110KN Engine. I hope that's 110KN dry thrust not wet thrust. We need a bigger engine for future projects. DRDO and GTRE should stop delay tactics and sign the deal. Nothing happens in this country on time. There is no sense of urgency for politicians and bureaucrats. Fucking idiots, timeline is already stretched. How long they are going to keep delaying the inevitable?
 
concard said:
We should go with Rolls Royce since they fulfill our conditions. French being French will rip us off as they are saying they will hold 50% IPR which means we will be beholden to pay them royalties forever. No need to say anything about General electric, they won't give us shit. UK is in need of money for their 6th generation program and they won't hesitate to give us full IPR because they are already working on next generation jet engine technology for their Tempest program. I hope our side don't low ball themselves to 110KN Engine. I hope that's 110KN dry thrust not wet thrust. We need a bigger engine for future projects. DRDO and GTRE should stop delay tactics and sign the deal. Nothing happens in this country on time. There is no sense of urgency for politicians and bureaucrats. Fucking idiots, timeline is already stretched. How long they are going to keep delaying the inevitable?
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Rolls Royce hot section core is GE owned technology.
 
Azaad said:
With all due respect to Shiv Kunal Verma & everybody who agrees with him , this statement is often quoted to pillory Nehru with Verma providing a context which is wrong.

While Nehru did make this statement , his reasons were far from the wooly headed idealism attributed to him. For the sake of God , did we totally forget the Nuclear program under the stewardship of Homi Bhabha owes its existence to Nehru & that includes preliminary strides towards a NWP or that the same Nehru authorise the invasion of Goa where Portugal was a NATO member whom they approached to which they were told the treaty applied to Europe not to their colonies across the world . Or Nehru getting Egypt to bar entry to the Portuguese fleet towards India.

How does a man who's a total peacenik approve something like the N program on the grounds that "we missed the gun powder revolution & the industrial revolution but we'd be damned if we miss the N revolution " or annex Goa which requires some spine . RFK , JFK's brother & the Attorney General which was the equivalent of the Home Minister in the US reportedly told the Indian ambassador to the US that India's action in this matter was akin to the preacher being caught with his pants down in a bordello after preaching the virtues of restraint repeatedly or something to that effect.

Let's not confuse posturing for the world with real world idealism . Nehru was far too shrewd than the average JNU dumb phuck PhD pursuing world peace activist or anyone studying for a PhD in intersectionalism between feminism & the patriarchal political world.

As far as Nehru's statement about getting the police to guard our borders go , the police actually did guard our borders then . The BSF was set up in the wake of the 1965 war just as the ITBP & SFF was set up in the aftermath of the 1962 war & so was R&AW with external intelligence , espionage & counter espionage being handled by the IB till then.

As to the reasons he made such a statement , it was in the context of ex colonies who were newly independent falling prey to military coups. It was either communist inspired or western inspired or there was a tendency of those who led the freedom movement of their countries & were naturally elected or appointed to take over the administration post independence to concentrate power into themselves or stage a coup themselves & become authoritarian. N'Krumah of Ghana is a good example of this as was Nasser in Egypt.

The single biggest fear of Nehru was of the Indian armed forces seizing power in a coup since next to the Congress they were the most organised entity who answered to one boss namely the CoAS. To make matters worse that's exactly what happened in our neighborhood when Iskander Mirza staged a coup in Paxtan to seize power & later Ayub Khan upstaged Mirza by staging another coup against him.

What's more Gen Cariappa who by then had retired had voiced support to Ayub Khan . It's well known the contempt with which the armed forces have viewed the chaos incompetence & corruption of newly independent states & the politicians who indulged in it . India was no exception . Cariappa's open support to Ayub Khan so alarmed Nehru that he was parcelled off to distant NZ as our High Commissioner.

You have to see our overtures to Paxtan & China in this regard. Unfortunately when you're executing your foreign policy as Nehru was , which is essentially an extreme tight rope walk between two belligerent & revisionist powers , an armed forces whose leadership you don't entirely trust , your own pitiable state of the economy , that's an act you'd not be able to pull off for a substantial amount of time.

At some point his bluff would be called out & it turned out the Chinese were the one to do so. This was also the reason Nehru was instrumental in getting rid of Gen Thimayya who was prescient enough to warn about the impeding Chinese threat.

Is it a failure of Nehru ? Yes it is .

Beyond a point you have to trust people & if that be the case , instead of trusting an Ayub Khan after being magnanimous with the IWT & signing it apart from footing part of the bill for the Tarbela dam or trusting Zhou En Lai inspite of knowing he was a pathological liar , it would've been better to trust your own .

Into this you can also read what another member brought up about our industrial prowess which Nehru degraded thru his socialist initiatives & the fact which another member brought up about the state of our food stuff production where vast sections of our population were literally surviving from ship to ship of deliveries of food stuff from the west , who obviously sought to take advantage of this situation.

So Nehru's distrust of the armed forces , his formative role in the founding of the Non Aligned Movement , all those statements he gave which sounds ridiculous in retrospect - all have a context . He did have his flaws but calling him anti national is a stretch. Calling him agnostic to Hindu causes or concerns to the point of appearing anti Hindu is still understandable which he was but not anti national.
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Azaad,
Thanks for providing this context. I was holding back as the 20yo on this forum might get their underwear in a twist. They are too doped on India becoming independent in 2014, which, alas, will make us do the same mistakes we did earlier in 75 yrs due to loss of institutional memory.
Azaad said:
From what I understand in Nehru's time we were nowhere near achieving the mfg of a N weapon . For good reason too. The task of setting up & organising our N civilian reactor program , selecting suitable candidates with such a background , sending them abroad for further education , negotiating & concluding agreements with nations like the US & Canada for such technologies , etc took up most of Bhabha's time.

We were in a position to do so only after Nehru passed away . IIRC it was towards the fag end of Nehru's tenure when he was largely incapacitated thanks to the stroke he had suffered & during Shastri's tenure which was extremely brief. Shortly after Shastri passed away , Bhabha too met the maker courtesy a plane crash.

The program went into a limbo coz the prime political mover Shastri was no more & the prime mover of it on the technological side - Bhabha was no more too. It took some time for both sides to settle down with a new leadership.

IG herself wasn't too enamored of demonstrating our N prowess in the 1960s when she took over , which I won't get into here as that's a long story in itself suffice to say that the US 7th Fleet sailing into the BoB as part of Nixon & Kissinger's strategy to back Paxtan was an eye opener for her.

She resolved never to be blackmailed again in spite of the then USSR tailing the 7th fleet with their SSNs to make sure the USN didn't resort to any funny business. In fact the USN never entered the BoB & was at the cusp of entering it before the Soviets showed up & the former back tracked. She then green lighted the project & we had the first N test in 1974.

I'm not referring to you per se for calling him an anti national . Thru your post I was calling out those who did for the reasons I've given in the aforementioned post . Apologies if it came out as me accusing you of calling Nehru an anti national.


Secure his rule ? What exactly was the state of the opposition to him then in the 3 general elections the INC fought under his leadership ?

Am I ?

What was the economic conditions then for Nehru to embark on all those points you're raising with the benefit of hindsight ?

The biggest blunder both Pranami Gxxndu & his equally myopic disciple committed was to prevent exchange of populations. Till date that is what is haunting us especially on our Eastern Flank.

The Chinese occupation of Aksai Chin fails before this monumental blunder & most of the internal & external problems we're now facing owe itself directly to this blunder.

Add to it our inability to secure the borders for reasons already provided.


Patel died in the late 1950 . Goa was liberated in late 1961. Please get your facts right. You're probably referring to Junagadh or Hyderabad.

Please understand the difference between a rant & a well reasoned argument. The former can't be answered . The latter can.
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Only 1 correction. The 1969 Chong nooklear dhamaka set IG in motion, not the USS Enterprise.
Once she was convinced, it took 5 yrs flat for buddha to smile.
 
angryindian said:
Let alone China, Pakistan will be getting it's hands on J35A starting next year, So by the time India gets its first AMCA, they would have at least 2-3 Squadrons of J35 and a good 12-14 years advantage over the IAF.
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People were dhoti shivering every year on this board over 8 Mard -e- Chowmein AIP pandubbis bought by Al-Bakistan in 2014, while we have only delays since then and the last Scorpene has even been inducted.

Meanwhile only 2 of these Chong subs have been launched, still under trials and the rest under construction.
It is 2025 now, 11 years while another user was lungi-shivering over "they can churn out ships like dumplings"

:bplease:

I am convinced most of these "PAAPISTAN TO GET J35 BY 202X" articles are all placed by LM dalals to get out dhotis to buy F35 at the cost of the country's sovereignty
 
shade2 said:
People were dhoti shivering every year on this board over 8 Mard -e- Chowmein AIP pandubbis bought by Al-Bakistan in 2014, while we have only delays since then and the last Scorpene has even been inducted.

Meanwhile only 2 of these Chong subs have been launched, still under trials and the rest under construction.
It is 2025 now, 11 years while another user was lungi-shivering over "they can churn out ships like dumplings"

:bplease:

I am convinced most of these "PAAPISTAN TO GET J35 BY 202X" articles are all placed by LM dalals to get out dhotis to buy F35 at the cost of the country's sovereignty
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Indian Air Force says it needs 45 squadrons based on threat assessments and the airspace to defend. Advanced jets may come with more funding, but squadron numbers depend on operational needs.
And You’re right, similar speculations were made about India’s submarine fleet, with concerns that Pakistan’s fleet would surpass it. However, today Pakistan has 5 submarines, while India operates 19.
 
chnvipgz said:
Whole bollywood biggies,indian tiktokers in dubai all use hawala ways to send black money to white and invest across the world through money handlers who are pakistani isi agents they know everything about these influenza and filmstars etc .But govt can only arrest folks who are directly involved in getting paid for sending info to porkistan.

Watch this video from jo malhotra channel not just her but many youtubers from gurugram were part of pakistani eid iftari including sgpc president and a congress hindu baba.


View: https://youtu.be/hMWmBaCiWWM?si=oamR7p8yYHEUrZw9

She visited kashmir too and video graphed army installations she may have someone in higher up who gave her those permissions.
She maybe arrested because she couldn't bribe the upsc and police babus like those bollywoodias do.Many upsc,military folks are also traitors like swara bhaskar dad.


View: https://x.com/chupchaplo/status/1923712028310385100?t=TsO3zS0QmjcHOp3aTgLv1A&s=19

Here is the pakistani guy doing recce in india.He is a dual national govt must ban all pakistani origin muslim to come to india.

View: https://youtu.be/Lw1W9vj28kQ?si=etPnXu5sx074eoSI
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Then our intelligence agencies are sleeping. It's their job to identify and neutralize such potential spies.
Decahex said:
Buy what though? The Russians don't have the Su-57s in spades. This suggests that the manufacturing is very limited even of the current variant. If it failed to impress us 10 years ago and didn't really impress recently either, buying it en masse (which involves waiting for the production lines to set up, which will take longer than usual given the sanctions imposed on Russia) is a huge blunder. Assuming in this irrational desperation we still go ahead, we are still looking at 5 years to get 2-3 squadrons of a flawed product. It will be a blunder of magnanimous proportions. Since it won't be developed or manufactured in-house, any feedback and modifications will go in a convoluted loop and will take longer to implement.

Also, do not underestimate the Chinese. Even if you hard lowball the J-20 as nothing more than 4.5 generation, it has been produced in large numbers and for enough time for the bird to have been matured both. As far as Fifth Gen fighters go, China is solidly ahead of Russia.
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Simple. Our main threat is Chini lizards and there is no way J20 whatever is better that Su57. If you have analysis from credible sources not bought out by Chini money, please vote them.

There is nothing to prove any Chini equipment is of high quality as we saw when we wrecked the Porkies.
 
Ajatshatru said:
Indian Air Force says it needs 45 squadrons based on threat assessments and the airspace to defend. Advanced jets may come with more funding, but squadron numbers depend on operational needs.
And You’re right, similar speculations were made about India’s submarine fleet, with concerns that Pakistan’s fleet would surpass it. However, today Pakistan has 5 submarines, while India operates 19.
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There is another thing i've mentioned in a previous post, they bought/begged J10C in response to our acquisition of 36 Rafale.

It wasn't pre-emptive.

People must stop taking dalal articles seriously about this beggar shithole, China is no daan-veer Karan, bheek has it's logical limits

Besides all their gucci gear is wasted on these incompetent inbreds, all they are good at is begging for ceasefire among begging for other things :bplease:
 
liberalredditor said:
We need to adopt the iterationwise development method

You will not master the true 5th gen tech from the first try, it would need time to mature
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I agree with you 100%. I find Iterative Prototyping to be the most effective methodology when designing and manufacturing a new product.

Below, if anyone is curious, I am describing the steps that makeup what is called Iterative Prototyping:

1. Concept Development:
This is the first stage and it involves defining the product's functionality, features, and target audience.

2. Design and Prototyping:
During this stage, you create a prototype to visualize and test the design.

3. Testing and Evaluation:
After the previous design phase, the prototype is tested with users and stakeholders to gather feedback on their usability, functionality, and design.

4. Refinement and Iteration:
After completion of the feedback collection, the design is refined, and new prototypes are created, repeating the testing and evaluation process.

5. Finalization and Manufacturing:
If a prototype qualifies as MVP (Minimum Viable Product), we are ready to manufacture the product.
 
Nicky said:
How does a random blogger has sensitive information to share with Porkies?


View: https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1923667423141503390?t=87QEXpntKHaVEelr9mVIWw&s=19


View: https://x.com/LogicLitLatte/status/1923693001563381767?t=Jh72LtJwG7flVJ_TibgOBw&s=19

Any blogger / YT personality going to Porkland should be interrogated.
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Also, when did she( and the others) enter Pakistan? Wasn't the border totally closed soon after April 22nd, and just about all travel to and from Pakistan by any means, was stopped? Or was she already visiting Pakistan, and hence passed on info to the Pakistanis about places she knows about. A bit confused here !
 
fire starter said:

View: https://x.com/Ray70409890/status/1923757615290646903?t=_eympRo6EdWPE9MCvne8Dw&s=19

View: https://x.com/sriramthg/status/1923756969032286457?t=RJM1Cup71c0bnR5FxvI-7g&s=19
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You will get your answers on 'why rampage' one you figure out who is 🪛 it in desh. 🥱

Bookmark this and revisit once Make in India orders are placed.

Any guess btw 😂?
MasterChief said:
More anti drone system for akashteer


View: https://x.com/BEL_CorpCom/status/1923374957712613450?t=bqqZPvTuUHTdzXuC5cby6w&s=19
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This is a very interesting buy.

It means IA has found out that apart from kinetic intercept of small drones using guns like Bofors L70, Zu-23 and Schilka, passive systems like D4 have also done very well and possibly at a much cheaper ₹ per intercept. 🤟🏼
The next Paki drone attack might just fizzle without any bullets being fired from our side.

Jingo now wants to see Microwave Bhujiya of Turkish and Chong drones....We need to productive Kali at a mass scale.
 
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