Operation Sindoor and Aftermath (56 Viewers)


Modiji has got his 56" inch chest back, he is in Bikaner and roars at Piglets of Pindi with the below quote
I have put the relevant portion is bold, capital and large font
The relevant portion is ofc, that terror attacks will be avenged on Paki fauj, not just terrorists :cmegusta:

"Now India has made it clear... Pakistan will have to pay a heavy price for every terrorist attack. And this price... will be paid by Pakistan's army... will be paid by Pakistan's economy... Ye shodh pratishodh ka khel nahin, ye nyay ka naya swaroop hai, ye Operation Sindoor hai. This is not just an agitation; this is the 'Raudra Roop' of a strong India. Ye Bharat ka naya swaroop hai. Pehle ghar mein ghus ke kiya the vaar, ab seene pe kiya prahar hai. (First, we entered their house and attacked; now we have attacked them on their chests)... This is the policy and the strategy to destroy the fangs of terrorism... This is new India," PM Modi added.

PM Modi said, "India has made it unequivocally clear that Pakistan will bear a heavy cost for every terrorist attack. This cost will be paid by Pakistan's military and its economy. If Pakistan persists in exporting terrorism, it will find itself begging for every last penny. Pakistan will not receive a single drop of water from India's share. The days of playing with the blood of Indians are over - it will now come at a steep price. This is the policy; this is the method to crush terrorism. This is India, the new India," he added
 
It's mainly a commercial firm saar, not exclusively military and not exactly high-tech.
Yeah I don't think they'll go after these guys rather than strategic level people.

We have to have a solution for safeguarding our key people for strategic initiatives though. Can't have them confined, can't have them having an 'accident'
 
Yeah I don't think they'll go after these guys rather than strategic level people.

We have to have a solution for safeguarding our key people for strategic initiatives though. Can't have them confined, can't have them having an 'accident'
The biggest threats these mfs face is their own libido. Maybe there should be state sponsored marriage counseling for these boffins if not outright giving them some prostitution allowance (prostitution is legal as long as it doesn't take place in an organized manner like a brothel or a whorehouse, etc.).
 

Laser Eyes denies US ((( mediated ))) cheesefire claim

Jaishankar said, "The ceasefire was negotiated directly between India and Pakistan. We told everyone, including the US, that if they want an understanding, they have to talk to us directly. "And that's why it happened."
"We made one thing very clear to everybody who spoke to us, not just the United States but to everyone, saying if the Pakistanis want to stop fighting, they need to tell us. We need to hear it from them. Their general has to call up our general and say this. And that is what happened," he said.
 
The biggest threats these mfs face is their own libido. Maybe there should be state sponsored marriage counseling for these boffins if not outright giving them some prostitution allowance (prostitution is legal as long as it doesn't take place in an organized manner like a brothel or a whorehouse, etc.).
That won't solve it. From what I've seen, in most cases it's the fact that they've dedicated their lives to academia (science) and have in many cases lost the chance to have... Certain experiences. So when these honeytraps make them feel wanted and desired they lose all sense of balance.

If we gave them TA, DA, and PA(Pussy Allowance) it won't scatch the same itch. We need to proactively honeytraps our own guys ironically.
 

Laser Eyes denies US ((( mediated ))) cheesefire claim
Mr. laser eyes, Mr. Laser eyes
Where is your son
Mr. laser eyes, Mr. laser eyes
Florida or Washington
Mr. laser eyes, Mr. laser eyes
You want a ceasefire?
If you don't comply, Dhruva they won't hire
Mr. laser eyes, Mr. laser eyes
Where is your daughter
Virginia or Denver
Mr laser eyes, Mr. laser eyes
You want de escalation?
If not, Medha will become a news mention
Mr laser eyes, Mr. Laser eyes
How do you carry burden so great
Mr. laser eyes, Mr. laser eyes
Accomodate and acquiesce, buck and bend.
 
We already know this but it bears repeating, "Americans will NEVER change" and "pakis will forever be mercenaries and chamchas with no future".

👇A good read after Op-Sindoor, makes you hate the murican deep state with a gusto.


India, Pak & The Great American Game

Some shift the focus on Pakistan's ability to manipulate a "misguided" Washington. Such views are common but betray a naiveté.​

Zorawar Daulet Singh
Updated on: 17 January 2024 4:28 pm

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The White House decision to approve the sale of F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan has once again sparked an interest on the nature of America's role in the subcontinent. While Indian observers have unanimously expressed their discontent, there is no serious attempt to deconstruct US policy. The reaction is a combination of frustration and irritation softened by a confidence that India is strong enough to take these recurring set backs in its stride. Some shift the focus on Pakistan's ability to manipulate a "misguided" Washington. Such views are common but betray a naiveté. The dearth of serious historical studies on US's South Asia policies remains curiously stark considering India's entire military machine including its nuclear weapons complex has been erected to deal with the consequences of US involvement in subcontinental geopolitics.

There are two core assumptions that shape Indian thinking on US policies in South Asia. The first one is that Washington's decision to prop up Pakistan in the 1950s was entirely shaped by Cold War geopolitics and America's desperation for allies in the Sino-Soviet underbelly. The second assumption is that with the disappearance of the Soviet Union, US policy has shifted to one of de-hyphenation since the 1990s. What do the archives and other empirical material reveal on these core assumptions?

Let's first scrutinize the idea that US involvement in South Asia was primarily a Cold War policy with India suffering the brunt of collateral damage in a larger chess game. A fascinating State Department document from April 3, 1950 reveals early US thinking towards this area. A little context is appropriate. In the early months of 1950, India and Pakistan were in the midst of a serious crisis after a large exodus of refugees from East Pakistan into India. Threat perceptions were heightened on both sides with many expecting an outbreak of hostilities. Although the crisis was ultimately defused, it provoked internal deliberations within the US. The State Department document titled, "Policy of the United States with respect to Pakistan" was issued while Nehru and Liaquat Ali were engaged in discussions to resolve the flare-up in East Pakistan.

The broad aim of the authors is to highlight Pakistan's viability as a state and argue for a more proactive policy of economic and military support to the ruling regime. "Pakistan will emerge after India, as the strongest power between Turkey and Japan on the periphery of Asia." Senior policymakers are urged to take Pakistan's request for "military assistance," first made in 1948 and 1949, more seriously. "Pakistan authorities have informally but repeatedly declared their desire to associate themselves more closely with the US in long range defense planning…the final political orientation of Pakistani leaders will be influenced by the responses they receive to these requests." Drawing attention to Pakistani public opinion, which perceived an uncertainty regarding US intentions, the authors note: "It is becoming increasingly necessary, therefore, to remind the Pakistanis that we are neither pro-Indian…nor anti-Muslim." This was of course an exaggeration because Washington was actually playing a role in buttressing Pakistan's case on the Kashmir dispute both in the Security Council and in interactions with Indian officials.

The authors also note that US and UK policies towards South Asia are convergent and ought to be coordinated better: "We believe that Pakistan is more likely to remain closely associated with us and the other western democracies if it remains a member of the Commonwealth, we want Pakistan-UK ties to remain close and friendly, and we therefore avoid any actions which might weaken these…comprehensive high-level discussions should be held with the UK to clarify the extent to which our respective policies toward Pakistan and South Asia afford a basis for cooperative effort in the area." This is interesting because right until the mid-1950s, many Indian policymakers including Nehru continued to perceive a subtle competition between the UK and US in South Asia as a possible means to shape western policy in South Asia.

The authors then go on to underscore not only the advantage of encouraging Pakistan's quest for a role in West Asia but the logic of shaping South Asia's balance of power itself: "it may in time become desirable to critically review our concept that Pakistan's destiny is or should be bound with India…There is reason to question whether solidarity with India will ever be achieved…The schism which led to the breakup of the old India was very deep…Moreover, the vigor and methods which have characterised India's execution of its policy of consolidating the princely states, and its inflexible attitude with regard to Kashmir, may indicate national traits which in time, if not controlled, could make India Japan's successor in Asiatic imperialism. In such a circumstance a strong Muslim bloc under the leadership of Pakistan, and friendly to the US, might afford a desirable balance of power in South Asia."

It should be apparent that such geopolitical constructions reflected an early impulse and strategy to profoundly shape the subcontinental balance rather than simply a narrow transactional search for accessing bases and facilities for Soviet containment goals. In 1954, these images found concrete expression in an agreement that laid the foundation for US strategic commitment to Pakistan's political, economic and military security. But the Soviet threat was merely a fig leaf to produce a regional order that would be aligned to US geostrategy in the wider area. By the late 1950s, as former diplomat Y.D. Gundevia records in his memoirs, Pakistan "was equipped with an army which could easily match anything and everything that India could put into the field."

Perhaps, nothing underscores US balance of power policies more than the qualitative nature of military assistance. US documents are revealing. In a December 1963 cable to Lyndon Johnson, Chester Bowles, a former envoy to India, records: "The very nature of the highly sophisticated and mobile equipment which we have given Pakistan, equipment which is much better adapted to fighting Indians on the north Indian plains than to fighting the Chinese and Russians in the Himalayas and Hindu Kush". As another senior US official Robert Komer records in a April 1966 cable to Johnson: "we have built up Pakistan's own independent position and sinews—to the tune of almost $5 billion in support. We've protected Pakistan against India."

How can we understand this policy of India's containment? We are so accustomed to interpreting US policies in South Asia as part of a global geostrategy that most Indian strategists are unable to scrutinize or accept the regional dimension, which has a logic of its own. Baldev Raj Nayar is one of the few scholars to have engaged with these questions in his 1976 book, American Geopolitics and India. Nayar argues that the balance of power "is a fundamental, unalterable principle of US foreign policy…This principle is directed not only at the global military equilibrium…but also at equilibrium in regional contexts. This is so because the global reach of American power makes equilibrium in the different regions of the world of strategic concern to the US and also because the global equilibrium itself is linked to equilibrium at the regional level."

In South Asia, US "military containment flowed from the very logic of the encounter between a global power and a middle power. It was but a specific manifestation in the South Asian subcontinent of a more general principle…All this was over and beyond the containment directed at the Communist powers." For Nayar, the very quest to be an independent centre of power, as India has sought from the outset, is simply incongruent with America's role and geostrategy. "This policy is often referred to as maintaining regional balances, but so expressed it suggests that the US is doing something that is rather natural, merely upholding something that is given by the nature of the situation. In fact, what the US does is to create a new balance which serves to neutralize the independent but non-cooperative middle power and then attempts to maintain that balance."

All this might astonish or even shock the more ahistorical observers of South Asia. Let's now turn to the second assumption behind Indian thinking, namely the notion of de-hyphenation? Has US's post-Cold War South Asia geostrategy fundamentally broken with its historical and conceptual framework?

The post-2001 phase is interesting because we can examine US regional policies in a vastly different context, and, in the backdrop of improving Indo-US ties since the late 1990s. By 2004, largely because of the Afghan war, Pakistan had regained its major non-NATO ally status providing it with "diplomatic prestige and greater access to American military technology, surplus defense equipment and training". For Washington, the India side of the South Asia equation needed a boost to prevent a slump into previous historical patterns of Indo-US relations.

In fact, a former State Department official and then advisor to Condoleezza Rice, Philip Zelikow recently disclosed that the initial spur for the timing of the Indo-US nuclear deal was the US decision to supply F-16s to Pakistan. "What's the side thing we can do with India that will mitigate the impact or the decision to go ahead with F-16s to Pakistan?" As Zelikow remarks, a decision was taken to cut the "Gordian knot" and "take the nuclear issue head on". From the US perspective, the nuclear deal was at one level about deflecting recurring Indian concerns and political backlash to US's Pakistan policy, and, at a more ambitious level about shaping India's rise, the texture and future geopolitical direction of its regional and global roles.

Again, to quote Zelikow, the deal was a "long-term geopolitical bet" on India "becoming a great power" that would "shape the future of the Eurasian landmass in a positive direction." "What we were trying to set up for India was a diplomatic revolution in India." The lead Indian negotiator, former Foreign Secretary Shyam Saran recently reflected, "The deal was made possible by the growing strategic congruence between the two countries". But if we dig a little deeper, we'll notice there's more nuance to that observation.

The US did not really change its orientation or basic geopolitical image—if anything its role and self-image of a preponderant global superpower became much stronger since the collapse of the Soviet Union and through the 1990s and 2000s. The fundamental change was primarily on the Indian side. It was India's own re-orientation and its changing conception of regional security and order, and, how it began to perceive US-Pakistan relations. The US, on the other hand, did not diminish Pakistan in its regional policy nor did it alter its commitment to the Pakistani Army. It actually strengthened that historical pattern after 2001. Between 2002 and 2015, Pakistan received over $31 billion in US aid of which $17 billion flowed towards buttressing military capabilities.

This same period also witnessed the high point of Indo-US ties. Obviously, the de-hyphenation has occurred largely in India's geopolitical image, for Delhi began to overlook the US-Pakistan equation by focusing primarily on its own narrow bilateral equation with Washington.

Nayar's conceptual framework can also explain this change in the post-Cold War. Once the US "has been successful in creating the desirable strategic environment", it "has been willing to discuss and negotiate on other issues of cooperation with the former non-cooperative middle power. Such an accommodative attitude on behalf of the US does not reflect a change of course on its part, but is conditional upon acceptance by the middle power of the new strategic environment and indeed heralds the success of the policy of containment." Indeed, since the early 2000s, India has chosen to de-hyphenate the reality of the US-Pakistan alliance from US-India ties and ignore the consequences to the South Asian balance of power.

Regardless of how we define or imagine US geopolitical images towards this area, the persistence of a particular construction of the regional chessboard remains entrenched in American strategic consciousness and manifests in its regional statecraft. Changing power balances and re-alignments elsewhere have reinforced rather than disrupted this basic framework. Delhi would do well to craft its geostrategies in light of this reality.



Zorawar Daulet Singh is a research scholar at King's College London

I actually don't hate Trump, he's hysterical enough to not be able to hide murica's "power-level" and I'd rather every Indian know their enemies.

We are trying to break free of the status-quo imposed by the GAE containment, and they don't like it, but I have a feeling🤞🤞 we're playing their game better than them.
 
Mr. laser eyes, Mr. Laser eyes
Where is your son
Mr. laser eyes, Mr. laser eyes
Florida or Washington
Mr. laser eyes, Mr. laser eyes
You want a ceasefire?
If you don't comply, Dhruva they won't hire
Mr. laser eyes, Mr. laser eyes
Where is your daughter
Virginia or Denver
Mr laser eyes, Mr. laser eyes
You want de escalation?
If not, Medha will become a news mention
Mr laser eyes, Mr. Laser eyes
How do you carry burden so great
Mr. laser eyes, Mr. laser eyes
Accomodate and acquiesce, buck and bend.

What is this nonsense…

Check out all Indian press meets during Operation Sindoor

Every single day this was said

“India is responding to pakistan aggression, we have done this and we dont want escalation, but if pakistan tries it will be responded proportionally”

This was moto of whole scenario

What is your agenda here?
 
We already know this but it bears repeating, "Americans will NEVER change" and "pakis will forever be mercenaries and chamchas with no future".

👇A good read after Op-Sindoor, makes you hate the murican deep state with a gusto.




I actually don't hate Trump, he's hysterical enough to not be able to hide murica's "power-level" and I'd rather every Indian know their enemies.

We are trying to break free of the status-quo imposed by the GAE containment, and they don't like it, but I have a feeling🤞🤞 we're playing their game better than them.

TLDR of that article is America's evergreen demeanor towards India is that of ((( containment ))) because they think we would become an uncontrollable regional power at the level of WW2 Imperial Japan, and not because of many copium huffers that their ((( containment ))) was because of muh Cold War, muh Soviet, muh Communism ka khatra.

America's Abbujaan used to do the same things with Russia 200 years ago, the same ((( containment ))) by propping up the Ottoman Chultanate which would otherwise be deleted by the Ruskals, preserving the (((( balance of power )))
 
What is this nonsense…

Check out all Indian press meets during Operation Sindoor

Every single day this was said

“India is responding to pakistan aggression, we have done this and we dont want escalation, but if pakistan tries it will be responded proportionally”

This was moto of whole scenario

What is your agenda here?

Lmao, this rr is not new on DFB. Everyone is deemed a deep state agent here - Modi included.


Ironically, the same conditions fo not apply to the russkies and the ching chongs despite their elites settling their kids abroad in a similar fashion.

Lavrov's daughter was residing in London. Xi's daughter is/was in the US. Nobody cares. :troll:
 
What is this nonsense…

Check out all Indian press meets during Operation Sindoor

Every single day this was said

“India is responding to pakistan aggression, we have done this and we dont want escalation, but if pakistan tries it will be responded proportionally”

This was moto of whole scenario

What is your agenda here?

This asshole has some kind of a personal agenda against diplomats or Gov officials in general. Ignore him and his antics.
Jaishankar ya unke baccho ka nakhoon jitna aukaat nahi hai aur desh kaisa chalana hai sikhane chala hai Jaishankar ko. Rahul Gandhi ka chela sala @Sanglamorre
 
Nothing to really do with "need" to be honest - this is more from the Indian perspective both to really put China in a strategic bind/effectively neuter them in their own backyard, and also to return the favor for what they did by giving this tech to Pakistan.

Otherwise yes, I've always argued that China simply cannot invade Taiwan even based on the current situation - even without giving Taiwan anything else beyond what it already has right now. I had a comment a while back on this thread detailing various challenges like only really being able to attack from the Strait in the West (which is a kill-zone), needing immense scale of preparation which would also be easily spotted, not having any experience in launching such a D-Day type operation etc
Your point is fair and square. Anyway, besides nukes, I think Taiwan should certainly consider purchasing Indian conventional weapons.
 
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Dear all, new to DFB but was on DFI for several years.
Normally a guest on DFB but joined today.
Have a query.....carefully heard Mr Modi's speech today. All good but slightly confused about IWT.
He said.....we will not give water from "OUR SHARE" if pakistan continues with terrorism. The concept of share itself should be in a abeyance with IWT. Is it a suboptimal choice of words, or is there a chance that we have quietly gone back on IWT abeyance?
Please listen to the speech for exactly what he said before commenting.
 

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