Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[Decahex]

Of all the threads I could’ve ended up in, how did I manage to walk headfirst into the intellectual equivalent of a clown car crash. At this point, I’m just buckled in, popcorn in hand, waiting to see what flips over next.

First off, equating Modi’s foreign policy with some vague “Mongolian approach” is peak Dunning-Kruger cosplay. What does it even mean??

Then we tumble headfirst into the hormonal pseudoscience sewer, where evolutionary psychology is butchered to justify lazy stereotypes. This isn't discourse it's a fever dream assembled from WhatsApp forwards, Twitter rage-bait, and whatever someone half-remembered from a Joe Rogan episode played at 1.5x speed.

At this point, any Tom, Dick, and Hary with a Wi-Fi signal thinks opening an account entitles them to vomit policy takes like a broken BuzzFeed quiz generator. Zero context, zero history, just tamasha and volume.

There was actually quite a lot of discourse and good discussion back when Operation Sindoor was still active and it looked like war was imminent. Since things started to cool down many became less active and over enthusiastic guys had the thread for themselves.

 

[FalconSlayers]

View: https://x.com/Goreunit/status/1926478838097215688

 

[Tumba]

View: https://x.com/Goreunit/status/1926478838097215688

Seems like a drone jammer, a just military target hopefully Indian Military is not this naive not to target these military systems fearing collateral damage, porki civilians are nothing but inbred jihadis who actively kill, rape minorities

 

[Muzh]

This is a great talk given by Lt General Raj Shukla. He mentions that Late PM Vajpayee later regretted not going to war with Pakistan after mobilizing Operation Parakram. He also describes the incremental change in our attitude towards Pakistanese sponsored terrorism. The conclusion is that Operation Sindhoor was basically a notice to Pakistan that going forward there will be heavy cost attached to any act of terrorism. He acknowledges that the Operation Sindhoor may not deter Pakistan's terror activities but it certainly adjusts what Pakistan should expect after committing terrorism.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_33vVKfjeM

 

[notaname]

Pakistan Crypto Council’s (PCC) Chief Executive Officer Bilal Bin Saqib meets Pakistan field Marshal Munir. Saqib's PCC in April signed a letter of intent with World Liberty Financial (Trump family backed crypto venture) in April.


View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1926484032360989097?t=JCypzHl_5XTjUyXv-BaS_A&s=19

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

What you said is logical but could've only been possible if the GoI was eager to get itself in an all out war, which I highly doubt. If that's what it wanted, we would've conducted SEAD/DEAD on May 7th followed by the actual missile attacks on terrorist installations and if the Pakis retaliated (they would have) we would've bombed their air bases like on May 10th but on a greater intensity with not just the runway but also aircrafts like what you suggested. It seems to me, that originally the GoI wanted a repeat of Balakot where we would've struck targets and they would've retaliated, both sides claiming victory and then ignoring each other for the next 6 years but that plan got de-railed with Porki reaction and had to improvize to get their DGMO to request a ceasefire and sell it as a win to Indians.

What actual war? Pakistanis have no money or resources to fight. Remember pizza bajwa who said they dont even have fuel for their tanks. Paapistan Army and failed machchal would have caved in and we could have either salami sliced or demanded other things that disarm porklund and made them ineffective to ever launch an attack again like handover of all terror bosses to us. Only loss of key assets will hurt porkis. Otherwise they are liars of the worst sort who will stab you again when your back is turned. Trust a venomous snake but never a porki poonjabi. We are making a big mistake by not pounding them into submission. We will see these napakis attack us again. Wait and watch.

 

[shitsandgiggles]

Either troll back or ignore..

They are trying to make indians mad. If you get mad you lose.

The reply should be to make them more mad. "We broke mosques and burned muslims inside" is a 100% hit rate for me, and now the kids being burned in balochistan is a good one.

Or no reply/no interaction at all.

Had misfortune of coming across one, just kept replying "ok paki", also short crisp replys work well,
> "5000 rafale down lollol"
>"11 airbases"

always be on offense dont even dignify their claims with retort.

Big twitter handles dont get it they fall for obvious engagement bait. The way to do it is to take a screenshot, and mock, they wont get engagement and it is safe if they later delete.

 

[Nicky]

You have brought to fore a very important power struggle that we are witnessing. Earlier, in this thread, I explained this power struggle using what I call the jungle analogy. Imagine this world is a jungle. In this jungle, there are four lions: India, Russia, China and USA. These four lions are locked in an intense power struggle.

Russia & China are firmly allied against USA. This puts US at disadvantage; it needs India on its side.

China and USA cooperate with each other against India. This puts India at disadvantage.

India & Russia are not allied against anyone but they help each other. This relationship acts as a safeguard, in case, something unexpected were to happen in this power struggle.

Here is USA's dilemma:
Let us assume for a second that India is out of the equation -- just hypothetically speaking. Now, USA is all alone against Russia & China. That is why, it is imperative to develop appreciation for the subtle difference between Chinese and American positions with respect to India. India and USA are locked in a situation that looks very much like game of chicken. USA is hoping, India will yield first. The short India - Pakistan military conflict that just concluded should be seen through this lens. That was the first pressure applied against India by USA. There will be more. If USA yields first, it will be literally a game changing event.

The main point is that the US would prefer it to be a unipolar world with it being the sole global power, which it was post collapse of the Soviet Union. If thats not possible it will settle for a bipolar world with China replacing the USSR.

The one thing it doesn't want at all costs is a multipolar world, which is what India symbolises. So it will work with China to cut India down to size and use Pokris to do that.

Ultimately, we have to guard against sabotage from both. Use Russian, France and Israel to plug the gaps in our military tech. It all boils down to a powerful engine that can power a 5th gen fighter jet. If we can manage that, we don't really need help with much else.

In all this, internal security is a big factor. We need to kick out lungis and keep local jehadis in check as well.

The US has proposed up Porkies since they were created by the British and the so called nukes are also given by Ameriki.


View: https://x.com/ssaratht/status/1926348872789406129?t=y7ut0fszhQmtEXtVOyWV5Q&s=19

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Both G2, US and China are desperate to stop India's growth, both economy and particularly military including exports.

There will be several attempts to destabilize us. Individual US businesses might not want distribution, such as Apple, but the security/deep state sees us as too much of a potential threat to not sabotage.

China's goal should be self explanatory.

It isn't as clear cut. Usa needs us to face off China, China needs to not push us totally into us pocket to stand a chance facing off against usa. This isn't an arch-enemy dynamic like we have between China and Taiwan or India and Pakistan, this is frenemies interaction between sides that fear each other but also need each other to a certain degree.

Women should not be in the military. We are literally paying for lower quality soldiers. It also provides a huge PR boost for the enemy. Imagine the humiliation if the news of female piolet getting captured was true.

There is no rationale to not have women in military positions that don't require brute strength. Ie, not okay for infantry, just fine for pilot or navy commander.

"discipline, leadership, and resilience" non of which women excel in. On average men perform better under stress. Women make most of their decisions based on emotions.

False on last part. Women are far better under stress than men. Can cite u reams and reams of data on this and I ain't a woke or a liberal but I am MSc in math, so challenging me on data is not gonna go well on this.

 

[daya]

This is a great talk given by Lt General Raj Shukla. He mentions that Late PM Vajpayee later regretted not going to war with Pakistan after mobilizing Operation Parakram. He also describes the incremental change in our attitude towards Pakistanese sponsored terrorism. The conclusion is that Operation Sindhoor was basically a notice to Pakistan that going forward there will be heavy cost attached to any act of terrorism. He acknowledges that the Operation Sindhoor may not deter Pakistan's terror activities but it certainly adjusts what Pakistan should expect after committing terrorism.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_33vVKfjeM

This time the inaction (no further bombardment for another 3-4 days) will be regretted in future. Whatever be the reasons for de-escalation, but it was the high time to crush Pakistan for 20-30 years at least. We won't get the opportunity any more.

 

[Roshan]

False on last part. Women are far better under stress than men. Can cite u reams and reams of data on this and I ain't a woke or a liberal but I am MSc in math, so challenging me on data is not gonna go well on this.

Well neither your 'MSc in Maths', a needless and useless appeal to authority in this context nor the vast amounts of non-existent ideologically compromised 'data' to support this conclusion are worth anything in contradicting millenia of lived experience and empirical data points. There are reams and reams of data to prove that they're the more emotinal and neurotic gender too btw, but data is only as useful as the observations it can support so that is neither here nor there.

There is no rationale to not have women in military positions that don't require brute strength. Ie, not okay for infantry, just fine for pilot or navy commander.

The only rationale to have them in ornamental roles is to signal to the world. There are other criteria than just brute strength at play here.

 

[daya]

What actual war? Pakistanis have no money or resources to fight. Remember pizza bajwa who said they dont even have fuel for their tanks. Paapistan Army and failed machchal would have caved in and we could have either salami sliced or demanded other things that disarm porklund and made them ineffective to ever launch an attack again like handover of all terror bosses to us. Only loss of key assets will hurt porkis. Otherwise they are liars of the worst sort who will stab you again when your back is turned. Trust a venomous snake but never a porki poonjabi. We are making a big mistake by not pounding them into submission. We will see these napakis attack us again. Wait and watch.

God's truth is this. The opportunity we got, lost forever. Be it 47, 65, 71, 99 or current scenario, it proves that we can not negotiate. Moreover, we can not counter the propaganda propagated against us. We decimated almost a dozen high value target deep in Pakistan, but in International arena, this will be reflected as a Truce. No win for India.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Well neither your 'MSc in Maths', a needless and useless appeal to authority in this context nor the vast amounts of non-existent ideologically compromised 'data' to support this conclusion are worth anything in contradicting millenia of lived experience and empirical data points. There are reams and reams of data to prove that they're the more emotinal and neurotic gender too btw, but data is only as useful as the observations it can support so that is neither here nor there.

It is precisely my MSc in math that qualifies me as expert on data validity. On this topic, data is incontrovertible: women don't just handle stress better than men, they do it a few standard deviation better. It means the gap between average woman's ability to absorb stress to an average man is the same gap between usain bolt and a high school champ in 100m race.

Women also have significantly higher pain tolerance than men, FYI. Despite them having greater pain sensitivity than men. This too is evolutionary consistent with their superior stress management and data is incontrovertible.

There is no " historical lived experience and empirical data points from history" re: stress management between the sexes. You just pulled that outta your arse. I told you, dont fuck around with data with a math expert. Lol.

The only rationale to have them in ornamental roles is to signal to the world. There are other criteria than just brute strength at play here.

and on those criterias, data is incontrovetible: except for strength and stamina, men have no real advantage over women in combat scenarios.

 

[Decahex]

What actual war? Pakistanis have no money or resources to fight. Remember pizza bajwa who said they dont even have fuel for their tanks. Paapistan Army and failed machchal would have caved in and we could have either salami sliced or demanded other things that disarm porklund and made them ineffective to ever launch an attack again like handover of all terror bosses to us. Only loss of key assets will hurt porkis. Otherwise they are liars of the worst sort who will stab you again when your back is turned. Trust a venomous snake but never a porki poonjabi. We are making a big mistake by not pounding them into submission. We will see these napakis attack us again. Wait and watch.

I'm telling you what's happening in reality but otherwise categorically agree with your points. I was quite furious when the government announced the ceasefire myself.

 

[Nicky]

It isn't as clear cut. Usa needs us to face off China, China needs to not push us totally into us pocket to stand a chance facing off against usa. This isn't an arch-enemy dynamic like we have between China and Taiwan or India and Pakistan, this is frenemies interaction between sides that fear each other but also need each other to a certain degree.

Sure, it's never simple and there are overlapping interests.

However, the US never really supported us against China. They won't unless we surrender and agree to become a vassal.

China doesn't want a competition in the region.

It's a balancing act but from our perspective, we don't want to be close to either G2 and develop our path as much as possible.

 

[Sanglamorre]

It isn't as clear cut. Usa needs us to face off China, China needs to not push us totally into us pocket to stand a chance facing off against usa. This isn't an arch-enemy dynamic like we have between China and Taiwan or India and Pakistan, this is frenemies interaction between sides that fear each other but also need each other to a certain degree.

There is no rationale to not have women in military positions that don't require brute strength. Ie, not okay for infantry, just fine for pilot or navy commander.

False on last part. Women are far better under stress than men. Can cite u reams and reams of data on this and I ain't a woke or a liberal but I am MSc in math, so challenging me on data is not gonna go well on this.

There's a difference between other armies and Pakistan though. A Capt. Saurabh Kalia like incident with a downed female pilot would have very intense and frankly uncontainable spiraling of incidents.

I'd say any role that doesn't involve frontline is fine.

 

[Roshan]

It is precisely my MSc in math that qualifies me as expert on data validity. On this topic, data is incontrovertible: women don't just handle stress better than men, they do it a few standard deviation better. It means the gap between average woman's ability to absorb stress to an average man is the same gap between usain bolt and a high school champ in 100m race.

Women also have significantly higher pain tolerance than men, FYI. Despite them having greater pain sensitivity than men. This too is evolutionary consistent with their superior stress management and data is incontrovertible.

There is no " historical lived experience and empirical data points from history" re: stress management between the sexes. You just pulled that outta your arse. I told you, dont fuck around with data with a math expert. Lol.

and on those criterias, data is incontrovetible: except for strength and stamina, men have no real advantage over women in combat scenarios.

No Msc in Math doesn't mean you are anywhere near qualified enough to comment on this issue. In this matter it is not even related to your subject lol. It shows why the edu system is a grand failure though when midwits try to use their degrees and credentials like high priests used to do in feudal church controlled Europe regardless of whether they actually have any discernment or ability to think.

And nope, there is no data, not even hopelessly ideologically compromised with a core of feminist power fantasies that in anyway proves 'women handle stress better than men let alone a few standard deviations better' it's just something you pulled out of your ass like the Msc degree you tried leading with. The truth is that the usain Bolt and high school champ comparison you made is much closer in the opposite direction. Both data and cumulative human anecodtal experience proves that, all else is just delusional dishonest hogwash and rhetorical gymnastics, the kind former card carrying CPIM members will be wont to peddle.

'pain tolerance' is not just the ability to give birth btw, there are more painful experiences a human might have to undergo more so especially on the battlefront and women are proven to be far less resilient in this regard compared to men. Most women themselves will attest to this lol. No evolutionary data is consistent with some mythical 'superiority in terms of being able to handle stress' let alone it being anywhere near incontrovertible unless the meaning of stress itself has changed and been revised unrecognizably.

All that I say is not even controversial and wasn't even seen as something to 'study' until quite recently when radfem ideology became a mainstream religion so the most reliable data point that trumps everything else - which itself is far from conclusive or reliable apart from being paltry - is lived experience and conventional wisdom.

No its far from incontrovertible and military itself admits it has to lower standards for female applicants. It is useful only for virtue signalling and improving ESG scores tho so token recruitment can take place. Luckily the men who matter recognise this and won't field them unless we are up shit creek without a paddle.

 

[Decahex]

There's a difference between other armies and Pakistan though. A Capt. Saurabh Kalia like incident with a downed female pilot would have very intense and frankly uncontainable spiraling of incidents.

I'd say any role that doesn't involve frontline is fine.

A repeat of Captain Saurabh Kalia with a female soldier is one hell of a way to unite the country and put aside all differences though. It would invite at least as much outrage as the Pahalgam massacre if not more. Even the normally liberal aman ki asha retards would immediately shut the fuck up.

As much of a potential as this can provide for India to shit fury all over Porkifags, we shouldn't be using the lady officers/jawans as a bait. I'm personally fine if they serve along the Indo-Pak IB but not LoC. There won't be terrorists to muddy waters and deflect blame. If ladies are to be deployed at LoC, they better be from the Artillery or Armored regiments.

 

[Decahex]

God's truth is this. The opportunity we got, lost forever. Be it 47, 65, 71, 99 or current scenario, it proves that we can not negotiate. Moreover, we can not counter the propaganda propagated against us. We decimated almost a dozen high value target deep in Pakistan, but in International arena, this will be reflected as a Truce. No win for India.

The propaganda against India was destroyed the moment even NYT and Al Jazeera had to admit that Porkistan got bombed in broad daylight while there was 0 evidence they could find through satellite imagery of Porki claims. Please stop this narrative war bullshit man. No amount of propaganda or memes can save anyone from cold hard evidence which we presented in spades and ones that could be independently verified. An often chest thumping and super proud nuclear power got it's air bases bombed with 0 proportional retaliation to show for it. The international arena is auto-fellatioing itself with the westerners taking credit for apparently brokering peace. Stop seeking their validation.

 

[Sanglamorre]

A repeat of Captain Saurabh Kalia with a female soldier is one hell of a way to unite the country and put aside all differences though. It would invite at least as much outrage as the Pahalgam massacre if not more. Even the normally liberal aman ki asha retards would immediately shut the fuck up.

As much of a potential as this can provide for India to shit fury all over Porkifags, we shouldn't be using the lady officers/jawans as a bait. I'm personally fine if they serve along the Indo-Pak IB but not LoC. There won't be terrorists to muddy waters and deflect blame. If ladies are to be deployed at LoC, they better be from the Artillery or Armored regiments.

It would be very tricky though. The WC now GC Abhinandan's scenario has put me in deep distrust over the public sanity regarding things like these.

While I do think you're correct about the public uniting, I think it would also force the govt and armed forces hand in taking decisions not at a time of their choosing. Public rage would be incandescent, and would demand reaction the very next hour.