Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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@Sickle_Cut The only explanation i find viable, that exnonerates both Tom Cooper and IAF, is the alleged use of drones by IAF to mimic signatuers of our fighter jets and those drones eating the first shots, thus creating the 'gap' in information where one side is adamant it shot down multiple jets, the other side is saying they didnt suffer any loss.

IMO, it is a credible theory, it may be the only other alternative to not do SEAD/DEAD initially as 'allegedly' PL15E can be guided by chinese HQ-9 ground radar and allowing the first shot is the info we need to locate the said DEAD opportunity that we took later. If true, it also allows IAF to test a ' novel' use of drones that to my knowledge, has not been used in combat before - as fighter jet mimics to draw enemy fire.
 
No air to air kill by PAF already confirmed by Print video. 1-2 IAF jet down either due to Paki SAM or friendly fire due to confusion on 1st day of war. Also, AWACS data link cannot guide PL15E, it has already been debunked, their chinese missile cannot be guided by 3rd party Western datalink AWACS, already discussed in Defence matrix video.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGbJuxtHuBI
 
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Let me put this on the thread to provide some context for everyone debating loss versus no loss on the Indian side. All of the following is based on cold, hard facts that are available and verifiable OSINT. I will also be making the most probable inferences from these facts to try and get a picture of things. Mind you, this is no BDA.

DGAO, when asked about Indian fighter aircraft losses: "Losses are a part of any combat scenario........All our pilots are back home safe."
From this, we can conclusively say that NO IAF PILOTS WERE KIA. And with some ambiguity, infer that there might be some Indian losses.

Now, because all pilots are safe, even if we had aircraft losses, the pilots must have ejected.
In this context, Rafale, Mirage 2K, LCA, and Jaguar all use Martin Baker ejection seats.
NO UPDATES on the Martin Baker website: NONE of the above aircraft types were lost. (Almost certain)

That leaves Su 30MKI, MiG 29K/UPG, and MiG 21.
Among these, the MiG 21 is the least likely because India would not have fielded it after what happened in 2019, and also, no false or true reports of any MiG 21 crashes.

That leaves 1 Su 30MKI and 1 MiG 29K/UPG. Mind you, NONE of the reports of either of these crashes has any real photo or video evidence of these crashes, rather, they tried to pass off old photos as those of Op Sindoor. Therefore, in all likelihood, these are fake news.

BUT, because Air Marshall Bharti left some room for ambiguity, if there's the slightest chance of Indian aircraft losses, the only possible ones are a single Su 30MKI or a single MiG 29K/UPG.

Now, India has used decoy aircraft like the Banshee and Lakshya (reported and corroborated by photos of debris found in Pakistan). The Banshee is capable of mimicking both of these aircraft to a great extent, while the Lakshya was indigenously designed specifically to mimic the Su-30MKI and MiG-29 very well. Therefore, high probability that the possible Su-30 MKI and MiG-29K/UPG losses are nothing but decoy drones.
 
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JConline said:
Let me put this on the thread to provide some context for everyone debating loss versus no loss on the Indian side. All of the following is based on cold, hard facts that are available and verifiable OSINT. I will also be making the most probable inferences from these facts to try and get a picture of things. Mind you, this is no BDA.

DGAO, when asked about Indian fighter aircraft losses: "Losses are a part of any combat scenario........All our pilots are back home safe."
From this, we can conclusively say that NO IAF PILOTS WERE KIA. And with some ambiguity, infer that there might be some Indian losses.

Now, because all pilots are safe, even if we had aircraft losses, the pilots must have ejected.
In this context, Rafale, Mirage 2K, LCA, and Jaguar all use Martin Baker ejection seats.
NO UPDATES on the Martin Baker website: NONE of the above aircraft types were lost. (Almost certain)

That leaves Su 30MKI, MiG 29K/UPG, and MiG 21.
Among these, the MiG 21 is the least likely because India would not have fielded it after what happened in 2019, and also, no false or true reports of any MiG 21 crashes.

That leaves 1 Su 30MKI and 1 MiG 29K/UPG. Mind you, NONE of the reports of either of these crashes has any real photo or video evidence of these crashes, rather, they tried to pass off old photos as those of Op Sindoor. Therefore, in all likelihood, these are fake news.

BUT, because Air Marshall Bharti left some room for ambiguity, if there's the slightest chance of Indian aircraft losses, the only possible ones are a single Su 30MKI or a single MiG 29K/UPG.
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Zero possibility a twin-engine jet went down. There is no evidence, not even the AI photos of Pakis, that show a twin-engine crash.
Basic research will tell anyoen within a matter of hours, that there has never been a twin engine crash over land, where both engines are not easily visible simultaneously in the picture- they at best land several metres apart, NEVER over that.

The reason for this is also very obvious - the engine is the only structural FUNDAMENTAL MATING with the frame, given that engine is the main weight distribution component ( it weighs close to 20% of the plane even in full loadout, IIRC) of the plane that is not in the airframe itself.
Therefore, the way engines are mated to the plane, you cannot seperate one engine from the other with brute force, thats nearly impossible due to the structural mating of the engine in parallel to the central spine of the airframe. - each engine is mated to the airframe via hundreds of bolts and locking pins that take quite a bit of labour to undo- you need hours from a group of several experienced technicians to take off an engine from a plane for even maintanance job.

At best, you can break a twin-engine plane in half, where the frontal section breaks apart or falls miles away but the rear end- with the engines itself- it pretty much impossible to break apart and separate.

And no, dont say ' what if you get shot in one engine with a missile' - big deal. engines are made out of practically vibranium - they will eat a direct A2A missile hit, look like a crushed coke can, obviously would be non-functional, but structurally, still be mostly intact.

Therefore, without ANY evidence of a twin-engine plane crash, we can only entertain the possibility of a single engine plane crash.
 
GaudaNaresh said:
Zero possibility a twin-engine jet went down. There is no evidence, not even the AI photos of Pakis, that show a twin-engine crash.
Basic research will tell anyoen within a matter of hours, that there has never been a twin engine crash over land, where both engines are not easily visible simultaneously in the picture- they at best land several metres apart, NEVER over that.

The reason for this is also very obvious - the engine is the only structural FUNDAMENTAL MATING with the frame, given that engine is the main weight distribution component ( it weighs close to 20% of the plane even in full loadout, IIRC) of the plane that is not in the airframe itself.
Therefore, the way engines are mated to the plane, you cannot seperate one engine from the other with brute force, thats nearly impossible due to the structural mating of the engine in parallel to the central spine of the airframe. - each engine is mated to the airframe via hundreds of bolts and locking pins that take quite a bit of labour to undo- you need hours from a group of several experienced technicians to take off an engine from a plane for even maintanance job.

At best, you can break a twin-engine plane in half, where the frontal section breaks apart or falls miles away but the rear end- with the engines itself- it pretty much impossible to break apart and separate.

And no, dont say ' what if you get shot in one engine with a missile' - big deal. engines are made out of practically vibranium - they will eat a direct A2A missile hit, look like a crushed coke can, obviously would be non-functional, but structurally, still be mostly intact.

Therefore, without ANY evidence of a twin-engine plane crash, we can only entertain the possibility of a single engine plane crash.
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From what I've analysed, the only single-seat Indian jet, even remotely possible to have been lost, is the MiG 21 BISON.

I wouldn't give a flying f*ck if that's what we lost. NO ONE would. Good that they downed MiG 21. That shit was gonna crash during some practice mission soon anyways. At least it got some use in a real-world scenario!

Congrats Porkis! The best you can hope to have downed are MiG-21 Bisons. Let's hope you downed at least 2. Otherwise, Gen Bajwa might wanna become Co-Field Marshal. Thank you for taking out the trash IAF was hoarding for so long!
 
Sickle_Cut said:
Why are u getting emotional ?

Is our Military holier than thou ?

My whole point was why Indians are losing the narrative war.

ISPR is trying way hard with pulling some names from Bharat Rakshak

And even claiming a Pilot died.

Indians viz a viz Pakis should have narrarive superiority like

Allied vs Nazis

Whenever this Rafale in Bhatinfa comes people on this forum get emotional.

The labourer died there so it was some jet.
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Narrative war is a first mover advantage game, doesn't matter if you lie through your teeth if you got your version out first. The other side has to spend time trying to prove something didn't happen. We have been quite thrifty about what info we are releasing and when because all these briefings are being handled by our bureaucracy and not a dedicated IT cell like the ISPR or even political parties have in India which one can argue is not ideal.
I've seen some pretty ridiculous arguments, copes and rationale from the Pakis just because a Paki attached to Reuters released the info on the first day about 5 paki jets being shot down which was basically reporting just what the ISPR chief said without any proof. You're getting anxious for no reason because you haven't to your mind got a rebuttal that immediately soothes it.
 
JConline said:
From what I've analysed, the only single-seat Indian jet, even remotely possible to have been lost, is the MiG 21 BISON.

I wouldn't give a flying f*ck if that's what we lost. NO ONE would. Good that they downed MiG 21. That shit was gonna crash during some practice mission soon anyways. At least it got some use in a real-world scenario!

Congrats Porkis! The best you can hope to have downed are MiG-21 Bisons. Let's hope you downed at least 2. Otherwise, Gen Bajwa might wanna become Co-Field Marshal. Thank you for taking out the trash IAF was hoarding for so long!
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Mig-21 is 1950s era junk. At this point I don't mind even if we use them as kamikaze drones, fly them towards IB, use ejection seat, parachute towards our own territory and let Allah guide that mig-21 towards its destination, inshallah it will it be always on target :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

We can also scribble graffiti on it like Asim muneer ki mkc, with love from Modi, HQ-9 mere La*de pe
 
LastMythin said:
@Sickle_Cut yaar you pakjaabees have a distinct way of speaking and that translates to your english spoken or written. No matter how deep you go into the larp and how many ever "indianisms" you use at the end if the day you still give it away kek. The "jazba e junoon" comes out in the end
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Matlab, kuch bhi , do i need to DM you my Aadhar Card

There is how you do 'Aftermath analysis " ( how different is this from a PDF circle jerk )

Just rub under the carpet the ugly parts and label people as larpers.

If you check the comment history, I was harsh towards Dwivedi as well for PAFF debacle

If IAF was closer to perfection, we wouldn't be worrying about dwindling Squadrons

Countless Crashes in Peace time

Any critical thinking mind would cross question and not blindly attest anyone ( be it GoI or ISPR )
 
jazzy_b said:
Mig-21 is 1950s era junk. At this point I don't mind even if we use them as kamikaze drones, fly them towards IB, use ejection seat, parachute towards our own territory and let Allah guide that mig-21 towards its destination, inshallah it will it be always on target :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

We can also scribble graffiti on it like Asim muneer ki mkc, with love from Modi, HQ-9 mere La*de pe
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1000021250.gifBrother is onto something
 
Sickle_Cut said:
Matlab, kuch bhi , do i need to DM you my Aadhar Card

There is how you do 'Aftermath analysis " ( how different is this from a PDF circle jerk )

Just rub under the carpet the ugly parts and label people as larpers.

If you check the comment history, I was harsh towards Dwivedi as well for PAFF debacle

If IAF was closer to perfection, we wouldn't be worrying about dwindling Squadrons

Countless Crashes in Peace time

Any critical thinking mind would cross question and not blindly attest anyone ( be it GoI or ISPR )
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Retard, you keep shifting goal posts in your comments. First you started talking about what IAF lost and parroting stupid nonsense from ISPR about pilot names and ranks like that is proof of anything, when challenged you shifted to quoting a gora and shifted goal posts to question IAF statements and downright mis interpretating it when no one claimed IAF is flawless.
Now you are onto squadron numbers.

You are all over the place, flustered and loosing the plot as people question your dumb statements.

Dont really care if you are a proki larping as an Indian or a real Indian or someone else, you are just bringing in random weak ISPR propaganda and calling it analysis. None, NONE of your statements and comments are what anyone with more than a dozen functioning braincells will call analysis.

Better go sit in a corner and feed on more ISPR propaganda. You obviously want to believe IAF lost big and India is loosing narrative war. No point trying to change your mind when you are bent on it.
 
NerVik said:
Retard, you keep shifting goal posts in your comments. First you started talking about what IAF lost and parroting stupid nonsense from ISPR about pilot names and ranks like that is proof of anything, when challenged you shifted to quoting a gora and shifted goal posts to question IAF statements and downright mis interpretating it when no one claimed IAF is flawless.
Now you are onto squadron numbers.

You are all over the place, flustered and loosing the plot as people question your dumb statements.

Dont really care if you are a proki larping as an Indian or a real Indian or someone else, you are just bringing in random weak ISPR propaganda and calling it analysis. None, NONE of your statements and comments are what anyone with more than a dozen functioning braincells will call analysis.

Better go sit in a corner and feed on more ISPR propaganda. You obviously want to believe IAF lost big and India is loosing narrative war. No point trying to change your mind when you are bent on it.
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My topic was about Bharat rakshak and how come porkies are allowed to go to such depths.

Whereas Indians with so much IT cell are not countering it or covering their footsteps

Which was answered by someone who pointed Alpha Defense Posting on Twitter ( i was not aware of )

Second topic was about Losses

> Tom Cooper is a War historian regarded as objective by many on DFB itself ( he is Austrian and not some random gora like CIA worshipers you would assume )

> Have you even read his substack before judging him and getting high on desh bhakti and doing fratricide/friendly fire with DFB members.

> Flawlessness was about the 7 May mission and I never question IAF performance in Sindoor entirely.

> A proki will never acknowledge IAF comeback from 8 to 10 May ( and will regurgitate No losses , minor damange , S400 shit )

> No where did I concede to PAKI propaganda ( including the pilot fiasco which was dubious )

- Members should hold their horses rather than getting high on Jingoism
 
I want to start by congratulating our armed forces on the successful execution of Operation Sindoor on May 7, 2025. This decisive action crippled the terror bases in pakistan behind the horrific Pahalgam massacre of 27 innocent civilians on April 22.

However, one question still weighs on my mind:

Why have the five terrorists(who were behind this terrorist attack) not yet been neutralised or captured? Did they manage to escape India, or are they still hiding somewhere in Jammu & Kashmir?

Jai Hind!
 
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