Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[chnvipgz]

Lol I am Indian

And doing analysis.

Also Tom cooper has calculated PAC losses

A porki won’t admit PAF losses ever

Porki paf were fooled by decoy drones and hence indian fighter jets entered into porkistan and bombed 9 terror sites on may 7.


View: https://youtu.be/OrQD5PCYbc4?si=uEBf6Wp8IIfRTuro

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Let me put this on the thread to provide some context for everyone debating loss versus no loss on the Indian side. All of the following is based on cold, hard facts that are available and verifiable OSINT. I will also be making the most probable inferences from these facts to try and get a picture of things. Mind you, this is no BDA.

DGAO, when asked about Indian fighter aircraft losses: "Losses are a part of any combat scenario........All our pilots are back home safe."
From this, we can conclusively say that NO IAF PILOTS WERE KIA. And with some ambiguity, infer that there might be some Indian losses.

Now, because all pilots are safe, even if we had aircraft losses, the pilots must have ejected.
In this context, Rafale, Mirage 2K, LCA, and Jaguar all use Martin Baker ejection seats.
NO UPDATES on the Martin Baker website: NONE of the above aircraft types were lost. (Almost certain)

That leaves Su 30MKI, MiG 29K/UPG, and MiG 21.
Among these, the MiG 21 is the least likely because India would not have fielded it after what happened in 2019, and also, no false or true reports of any MiG 21 crashes.

That leaves 1 Su 30MKI and 1 MiG 29K/UPG. Mind you, NONE of the reports of either of these crashes has any real photo or video evidence of these crashes, rather, they tried to pass off old photos as those of Op Sindoor. Therefore, in all likelihood, these are fake news.

BUT, because Air Marshall Bharti left some room for ambiguity, if there's the slightest chance of Indian aircraft losses, the only possible ones are a single Su 30MKI or a single MiG 29K/UPG.

Zero possibility a twin-engine jet went down. There is no evidence, not even the AI photos of Pakis, that show a twin-engine crash.
Basic research will tell anyoen within a matter of hours, that there has never been a twin engine crash over land, where both engines are not easily visible simultaneously in the picture- they at best land several metres apart, NEVER over that.

The reason for this is also very obvious - the engine is the only structural FUNDAMENTAL MATING with the frame, given that engine is the main weight distribution component ( it weighs close to 20% of the plane even in full loadout, IIRC) of the plane that is not in the airframe itself.
Therefore, the way engines are mated to the plane, you cannot seperate one engine from the other with brute force, thats nearly impossible due to the structural mating of the engine in parallel to the central spine of the airframe. - each engine is mated to the airframe via hundreds of bolts and locking pins that take quite a bit of labour to undo- you need hours from a group of several experienced technicians to take off an engine from a plane for even maintanance job.

At best, you can break a twin-engine plane in half, where the frontal section breaks apart or falls miles away but the rear end- with the engines itself- it pretty much impossible to break apart and separate.

And no, dont say ' what if you get shot in one engine with a missile' - big deal. engines are made out of practically vibranium - they will eat a direct A2A missile hit, look like a crushed coke can, obviously would be non-functional, but structurally, still be mostly intact.

Therefore, without ANY evidence of a twin-engine plane crash, we can only entertain the possibility of a single engine plane crash.

 

[JConline]

Zero possibility a twin-engine jet went down. There is no evidence, not even the AI photos of Pakis, that show a twin-engine crash.
Basic research will tell anyoen within a matter of hours, that there has never been a twin engine crash over land, where both engines are not easily visible simultaneously in the picture- they at best land several metres apart, NEVER over that.

The reason for this is also very obvious - the engine is the only structural FUNDAMENTAL MATING with the frame, given that engine is the main weight distribution component ( it weighs close to 20% of the plane even in full loadout, IIRC) of the plane that is not in the airframe itself.
Therefore, the way engines are mated to the plane, you cannot seperate one engine from the other with brute force, thats nearly impossible due to the structural mating of the engine in parallel to the central spine of the airframe. - each engine is mated to the airframe via hundreds of bolts and locking pins that take quite a bit of labour to undo- you need hours from a group of several experienced technicians to take off an engine from a plane for even maintanance job.

At best, you can break a twin-engine plane in half, where the frontal section breaks apart or falls miles away but the rear end- with the engines itself- it pretty much impossible to break apart and separate.

And no, dont say ' what if you get shot in one engine with a missile' - big deal. engines are made out of practically vibranium - they will eat a direct A2A missile hit, look like a crushed coke can, obviously would be non-functional, but structurally, still be mostly intact.

Therefore, without ANY evidence of a twin-engine plane crash, we can only entertain the possibility of a single engine plane crash.

From what I've analysed, the only single-seat Indian jet, even remotely possible to have been lost, is the MiG 21 BISON.

I wouldn't give a flying f*ck if that's what we lost. NO ONE would. Good that they downed MiG 21. That shit was gonna crash during some practice mission soon anyways. At least it got some use in a real-world scenario!

Congrats Porkis! The best you can hope to have downed are MiG-21 Bisons. Let's hope you downed at least 2. Otherwise, Gen Bajwa might wanna become Co-Field Marshal. Thank you for taking out the trash IAF was hoarding for so long!

 

[Roshan]

Why are u getting emotional ?

Is our Military holier than thou ?

My whole point was why Indians are losing the narrative war.

ISPR is trying way hard with pulling some names from Bharat Rakshak

And even claiming a Pilot died.

Indians viz a viz Pakis should have narrarive superiority like

Allied vs Nazis

Whenever this Rafale in Bhatinfa comes people on this forum get emotional.

The labourer died there so it was some jet.

Narrative war is a first mover advantage game, doesn't matter if you lie through your teeth if you got your version out first. The other side has to spend time trying to prove something didn't happen. We have been quite thrifty about what info we are releasing and when because all these briefings are being handled by our bureaucracy and not a dedicated IT cell like the ISPR or even political parties have in India which one can argue is not ideal.
I've seen some pretty ridiculous arguments, copes and rationale from the Pakis just because a Paki attached to Reuters released the info on the first day about 5 paki jets being shot down which was basically reporting just what the ISPR chief said without any proof. You're getting anxious for no reason because you haven't to your mind got a rebuttal that immediately soothes it.

 

[jazzy_b]

From what I've analysed, the only single-seat Indian jet, even remotely possible to have been lost, is the MiG 21 BISON.

I wouldn't give a flying f*ck if that's what we lost. NO ONE would. Good that they downed MiG 21. That shit was gonna crash during some practice mission soon anyways. At least it got some use in a real-world scenario!

Congrats Porkis! The best you can hope to have downed are MiG-21 Bisons. Let's hope you downed at least 2. Otherwise, Gen Bajwa might wanna become Co-Field Marshal. Thank you for taking out the trash IAF was hoarding for so long!

Mig-21 is 1950s era junk. At this point I don't mind even if we use them as kamikaze drones, fly them towards IB, use ejection seat, parachute towards our own territory and let Allah guide that mig-21 towards its destination, inshallah it will it be always on target

We can also scribble graffiti on it like Asim muneer ki mkc, with love from Modi, HQ-9 mere La*de pe

 

[crazywithmath]

View: https://x.com/bakchod1returns/status/1928093281147068450?t=lmHDz6QehCTSCH53-1ouJg&s=19

-> 'Undokyumented' mentioned.

 

[Sickle_Cut]

@Sickle_Cut yaar you pakjaabees have a distinct way of speaking and that translates to your english spoken or written. No matter how deep you go into the larp and how many ever "indianisms" you use at the end if the day you still give it away kek. The "jazba e junoon" comes out in the end

Matlab, kuch bhi , do i need to DM you my Aadhar Card

There is how you do 'Aftermath analysis " ( how different is this from a PDF circle jerk )

Just rub under the carpet the ugly parts and label people as larpers.

If you check the comment history, I was harsh towards Dwivedi as well for PAFF debacle

If IAF was closer to perfection, we wouldn't be worrying about dwindling Squadrons

Countless Crashes in Peace time

Any critical thinking mind would cross question and not blindly attest anyone ( be it GoI or ISPR )

 

[NerVik]

Matlab, kuch bhi , do i need to DM you my Aadhar Card

There is how you do 'Aftermath analysis " ( how different is this from a PDF circle jerk )

Just rub under the carpet the ugly parts and label people as larpers.

If you check the comment history, I was harsh towards Dwivedi as well for PAFF debacle

If IAF was closer to perfection, we wouldn't be worrying about dwindling Squadrons

Countless Crashes in Peace time

Any critical thinking mind would cross question and not blindly attest anyone ( be it GoI or ISPR )

Retard, you keep shifting goal posts in your comments. First you started talking about what IAF lost and parroting stupid nonsense from ISPR about pilot names and ranks like that is proof of anything, when challenged you shifted to quoting a gora and shifted goal posts to question IAF statements and downright mis interpretating it when no one claimed IAF is flawless.
Now you are onto squadron numbers.

You are all over the place, flustered and loosing the plot as people question your dumb statements.

Dont really care if you are a proki larping as an Indian or a real Indian or someone else, you are just bringing in random weak ISPR propaganda and calling it analysis. None, NONE of your statements and comments are what anyone with more than a dozen functioning braincells will call analysis.

Better go sit in a corner and feed on more ISPR propaganda. You obviously want to believe IAF lost big and India is loosing narrative war. No point trying to change your mind when you are bent on it.

 

[shitsandgiggles]

What level of hunger index leads to that physique

What not taking polio shots does to a mf

Pakistan

With a score of 27.9 in the 2024 Global Hunger Index, Pakistan has a level of hunger that is serious.

www.globalhungerindex.org

We are only slightly above them but then again we are but we are improving contrary to them, since 2016 they have gotten worse, and if IWT has effects everyone is hoping for...

 

[Sickle_Cut]

Retard, you keep shifting goal posts in your comments. First you started talking about what IAF lost and parroting stupid nonsense from ISPR about pilot names and ranks like that is proof of anything, when challenged you shifted to quoting a gora and shifted goal posts to question IAF statements and downright mis interpretating it when no one claimed IAF is flawless.
Now you are onto squadron numbers.

You are all over the place, flustered and loosing the plot as people question your dumb statements.

Dont really care if you are a proki larping as an Indian or a real Indian or someone else, you are just bringing in random weak ISPR propaganda and calling it analysis. None, NONE of your statements and comments are what anyone with more than a dozen functioning braincells will call analysis.

Better go sit in a corner and feed on more ISPR propaganda. You obviously want to believe IAF lost big and India is loosing narrative war. No point trying to change your mind when you are bent on it.

My topic was about Bharat rakshak and how come porkies are allowed to go to such depths.

Whereas Indians with so much IT cell are not countering it or covering their footsteps

Which was answered by someone who pointed Alpha Defense Posting on Twitter ( i was not aware of )

Second topic was about Losses

> Tom Cooper is a War historian regarded as objective by many on DFB itself ( he is Austrian and not some random gora like CIA worshipers you would assume )

> Have you even read his substack before judging him and getting high on desh bhakti and doing fratricide/friendly fire with DFB members.

> Flawlessness was about the 7 May mission and I never question IAF performance in Sindoor entirely.

> A proki will never acknowledge IAF comeback from 8 to 10 May ( and will regurgitate No losses , minor damange , S400 shit )

> No where did I concede to PAKI propaganda ( including the pilot fiasco which was dubious )

- Members should hold their horses rather than getting high on Jingoism

 

[BharatVasi]

I want to start by congratulating our armed forces on the successful execution of Operation Sindoor on May 7, 2025. This decisive action crippled the terror bases in pakistan behind the horrific Pahalgam massacre of 27 innocent civilians on April 22.

However, one question still weighs on my mind:

Why have the five terrorists(who were behind this terrorist attack) not yet been neutralised or captured? Did they manage to escape India, or are they still hiding somewhere in Jammu & Kashmir?

Jai Hind!

 

[redpanda]

@Sickle_Cut Why do you worry about what Peedf's army employees say? Don't fall for it. They are making you forget that IAF hit their 11 airbases, 9 terror sites, multiple radars, a nuke site.... and 100s of drones.

Focus on objectives.. Even If we have lost one or two jets.. It is nothing for a robust Economy like ours.
End of the day-- we have achieved all of our objectives successfully.

BTW pakis are still desperate to find a flicker of evidence to make them happy. That's why they are running propganda to satisfy their ego.

Yep they are trying to drag this to hardware loss to distract from the fact that India has achieved its objective quite clearly. If you see some user still being constantly doing rr about hardware loss it's either a paki or some idiot congi it celia.

 

[Sickle_Cut]

Yep they are trying to drag this to hardware loss to distract from the fact that India has achieved its objective quite clearly. If you see some user still being constantly doing rr about hardware loss it's either a paki or some idiot congi it celia.

Porkies do the same cope " wE wON the AIR WAR , mm Alam zindabad , PAF paindabad "

A faujeet even claimed PAF is better than any NATO AF outside USAF

Like seriously dude ( RAF , Luftwaffe , French Air Force , even the Turkish Airforce be like )

Some reddit pakis were so delusional saying.

" Let IAF get F-35, we will be the first to shoot F-35 "

I mean LMAO , good don't upgrade at all , all is well PAF in the bag

 

[redpanda]

Porkies do the same cope " wE wON the AIR WAR , mm Alam zindabad , PAF paindabad "

A faujeet even claimed PAF is better than any NATO AF outside USAF

Like seriously dude ( RAF , Luftwaffe , French Air Force , even the Turkish Airforce be like )

Some reddit pakis were so delusional saying.

" Let IAF get F-35, we will be the first to shoot F-35 "

I mean LMAO , good don't upgrade at all , all is well PAF in the bag

Man those guys believe in launching satelite with mirage 2000, Ola's black jets and Jin flying their aircrafts, etc. They have access to some high level afgani afeem nothing can make them get out of that delusion..

 

[Captscooby]

Friends, I am not insinuating that a Rafale was shot down and I am in no way trying to favor the narrative of our enemy (The enemy we are dealing with specialises in spreading propaganda to downplay and hide it's losses) but we need to analyse the losses and kills on both sides of the conflict in a rational and unbiased manner.

Remember this "Sach kithna bhi kadwa ho, who anth mai sach hi rahega, jhoot nahi aur sachai ki duniya mai raho, nahi jhoot ke"

Let's not be like Pakistanis, let's not stoop to their degree of lies and deceit.

A ceasefire is not peace, however. The next crisis will come. This crisis will provide the foundation upon which that next crisis will unfold, and so it will be important to scrutinize its lessons and implications before hostilities again erupt. This crisis was confusing and surprising. That is why it is important to understand what actually happened with this crisis before the next India-Pakistan crisis comes.

 

[Captscooby]

View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1927967052049858573
One thing we need to be very clear, we don't want that muslim population of PoK, we are here for the land. I really hope kadi ninda is just bluffing here with all those love, unity nonsense.

You don't know man trust me the brain of 70 year old's are completely different in its thinking ..there is reason why people are given a retirement age at 58 in organisations , why are Army , Air and Navy chief asked to retire at 62 ..because after 40 your brain degenerate faster and at 60 it won't be same as what it was in 40 and absolutely not at all at 70 ..

These are not bluffing but more the delusional thinking the old guard still think .. don't believe look at the emperor quote one hand kamputer and one hand holy book ..

 

[asl001]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/operation-sindoor-was-a-failure-says-sanjay-raut-seeks-amit-shahs-resignation/3858971/&ved=2ahUKEwjA7KCHusmNAxXknq8BHZl4J-MQxfQBKAB6BAgHEAE&usg=AOvVaw1QBXCXnfFM1Uvi9xnLEPqq

Sanjay Raut needs a chappal massage.
Super big mouth pig.

 

[Captscooby]

No need to wait for 15 years. We are not talking about a country which can churn out Jet Engines or War ships at a rapid rate every year. We are talking about a country with no expertise to even build a 70CC engine for their motorbikes used by their regular people. The world does not wait for 20 years for you and then gives you a carte blanche to take revenge on all the terrorist attacks they conducted on our soil in the previous years.

I am not saying we should go for all out war. All we need is to accelerate the process of destruction of abomination called Pakistan through all means necessary. We should not be afraid to go for preemptive strikes. When we go for revenge it has to be massive. This time we were sure measured and accurate. But we need to pack more punch to send a message to their elite scum that we have the capability to turn their land into rubble. Our military is not for show, we have to use it when we have to.

If you appetite for war is so less than 4 days and agreeing for a ceasefire on 5th when your GDP per capita is not even $3000 then let me give it in writing here and you can take it as assurance then appetite for 2 day war also won't be possible when per capita GDP touches $10,000..

This is the Holy truth you accept it or don't want to accept it and live in a delusional belief that population will be comfortable to go for a large scale decisive war when they are having much better income to spend ..

We have lost once in a life time chance which was given to us . Thanks to the leadership ..

You won't get the same chance from enemy again .. you took the foot of the enemy neck when he was down on floor next time the enemy won't give you second chance to do the same thing .

 

[ThE BrOkEn HeArT]

 

[Captscooby]

Are we showing restraint now?
We are not.

That's just word salad for rest of the world.

Yes absolutely we are ..Tell me saar what is different today from 1971 or 1999 ?

Nothing changed .. We had bombed deep into pakistan in 1971 too like 2025 but it is the restraint which is fucking us

1999 again restraint don't cross the LOC and fight within caused lots of casualties ..2025 May 7th doing Air operations into Dense AD enemy territory without doing SEAD caused us 4 aircraft's ..when are we going to give a free hand to forces in real world instead of giving lip service and then send them into battles with hand tied and later cover up the shit

The bar was set by scamgress so low that today what ever the leader ji does is being projected as 100 % ..

The bar starts at 0 not at -10 , scamgress lowered the bar since 2004 to -10 that doesn't mean you deliver 5 out of 100 and claim victory like you achieved 100 ..