Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[ezsasa]

yes, that sushant sareen wala.

i had a small project in mind, to list out the names of desi "strategic experts" and what are their core profession. i always keep wondering, whether any original ideas have come outside of gormint. what i find is folks who were originally journos later switched professions to become think tank experts have most exposure, for most part atleast to me looks like internal gossips rephrased with sophisticated english ends up as strategic discourse, not original research. for regular folks like us, it's very difficult to figure out which is original research and which is not, since there is also an issue of deliberate de-amplification on political/ideological lines.

@Roshan

used grok, for top 50. rough calculation

almost 50% is academic and journos.





### Data Recap
The distribution of original professions and corresponding individuals is:
- **Diplomat (28%, 14)**: Shivshankar Menon, S. Jaishankar, Shyam Saran, Rakesh Sood, Kanwal Sibal, G. Parthasarathy, P. S. Raghavan, Meera Shankar, T. C. A. Raghavan, Nirupama Rao, Deepa Gopalan Wadhwa, Vijay Gokhale, Gautam Bambawale, Arundhati Ghose
- **Academic (24%, 12)**: C. Raja Mohan, Brahma Chellaney, Happymon Jacob, Sumitra Badrinathan, Harsh V. Pant, Kanti Bajpai, Rajesh Rajagopalan, Srikanth Kondapalli, Anit Mukherjee, Sreeram Chaulia, Swaran Singh, Rudra Chaudhuri
- **Journalist (24%, 12)**: Ajai Shukla, Nitin A. Gokhale, Sanjaya Baru, Sushant Singh, Manoj Joshi, Pravin Sawhney, Meenakshi Ganguly, Siddharth Varadarajan, Suhasini Haidar, Raj Chengappa, Indrani Bagchi, Jyoti Malhotra
- **Military Officer (8%, 4)**: Ajai Shukla, Gurmeet Kanwal, Sushant Singh, Pravin Sawhney
- **Naval Officer (6%, 3)**: Raja Menon, Arun Prakash, C. Uday Bhaskar
- **Policy Analyst (6%, 3)**: Ashley J. Tellis, Sameer Lalwani, Dhruva Jaishankar
- **Intelligence Officer (2%, 1)**: Vikram Sood
- **Historian (2%, 1)**: Zorawar Daulet Singh
- **Economist (2%, 1)**: Sanjaya Baru
- **Politician (2%, 1)**: Shashi Tharoor
- **Defense Analyst (2%, 1)**: Abhijit Iyer-Mitra
- **Human Rights Expert (2%, 1)**: Meenakshi Ganguly

 

[Miss Firing]

Pakistan is nothing but an extension of USA's foreign policy tool.

So small transgressions like hiding "Osamaji", conning US taxpayers & then planning to murder their troops or nuclear blackmail etc. are all forgotten.

Stenographers like Clary, even-though indulging in world salad, grudgingly admits to visible satellite data regarding Pakistan's loss & nothing of that sort for India.



Bitch's "honor & dignity" needs to be saved.

 

[KiloLimaZulu]

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[cicada3307]

Shashi Tharoor, once he is back, should immediately resign from kangress party and his MP seat. He should be absorbed to BJP as soon as possible. It's a criminal offence to waste his talent within the kangress party. Our national interest will be better served if he is in GOI.

 

[The Juggernaut]

Shashi Tharoor, once he is back, should immediately resign from kangress party and his MP seat. He should be absorbed to BJP as soon as possible. It's a criminal offence to waste his talent within the kangress party. Our national interest will be better served if he is in GOI.

Nah! He should stay there in Congress and weaken, we were hearing of a Group g-23 in congress which included Gulam Nabi Azad who were apprensive of Congress high command of dynasty Rahul - Sonia - Priyanka. Their rumors were silenced on Rahul achieved spectacular victory of 99. May be that group will again do some work.

 

[Samaritan]

If you appetite for war is so less than 4 days and agreeing for a ceasefire on 5th when your GDP per capita is not even $3000 then let me give it in writing here and you can take it as assurance then appetite for 2 day war also won't be possible when per capita GDP touches $10,000..

This is the Holy truth you accept it or don't want to accept it and live in a delusional belief that population will be comfortable to go for a large scale decisive war when they are having much better income to spend ..

We have lost once in a life time chance which was given to us . Thanks to the leadership ..

You won't get the same chance from enemy again .. you took the foot of the enemy neck when he was down on floor next time the enemy won't give you second chance to do the same thing .

I do not think so! though disappointed ! there must be something which has not come out yet.
But if you closely watch the Modi's speeches , it seems it's still on.
I think they are preparing for ground invasion which will take time for preparation. secondly , Banglu is also needs to be paid attention first. It might be that during war with PAK , if they middle , India would like to settle chicken issue with banglu. But some how I am sure , its coming and coming in big way to settle all issue for India!

 

[Azaad]

Since it's been close to 3 weeks now Operation Sindoor has ceased being active & is in suspended animation , besides us getting fairly detailed accounts of BDA on Paxtani sites , let me play the Devil's Advocate & enquire why exactly did we jump a few steps up the escalation ladder & go directly for an assault on SPD C&C centres at Nur Khan & possibly Sargodha AFB apart from the strike at Kirana Hills & not simultaneously target PAF assets on the ground or do so before during or after we targeted their N facilities ?

I find no satisfactory answers to this question of mine. Even if we were to assume that Fauji Foundation started its now predictable action right out of its playbook from 1999 , of being seen rushing in & out of N facilities , bringing out their TELs etc , creating enough commotion on the ground that even the most disinterested viewer will be forced to notice , to say nothing of the far more potent ISR space based assets which'd definitely be recording these activities forcing the hand of the US as Paxtan desired , something we were waiting for & as soon as the go ahead was received from the PMO / CCS the IAF sprang into action , couldn't all those assets also be targeted simultaneously ?

Something doesn't quite add up. Was there something lost in communication ? Did the IAF specifically receive such instructions from the GoI not to target these assets ? If yes how does one explain us going after their N facilities even if it was only to cause superficial damage just to make a point.

To me that's a bigger escalation than targeting the PAF assets on the ground. Or was it an either or situation wherein targeting both was seen as possibly too much on the escalation ladder & any one target was selected to make a point which in this case happened to be the N facilities even if it was the bigger of the two targets in the escalation ladder ?

 

[ezsasa]

Since it's been close to 3 weeks now Operation Sindoor has ceased being active & is in suspended animation , besides us getting fairly detailed accounts of BDA on Paxtani sites , let me play the Devil's Advocate & enquire why exactly did we jump a few steps up the escalation ladder & go directly for an assault on SPD C&C centres at Nur Khan & possibly Sargodha AFB apart from the strike at Kirana Hills & not simultaneously target PAF assets on the ground or do so before during or after we targeted their N facilities ?

I find no satisfactory answers to this question of mine. Even if we were to assume that Fauji Foundation started its now predictable action right out of its playbook from 1999 , of being seen rushing in & out of N facilities , bringing out their TELs etc , creating enough commotion on the ground that even the most disinterested viewer will be forced to notice , to say nothing of the far more potent ISR space based assets which'd definitely be recording these activities forcing the hand of the US as Paxtan desired , something we were waiting for & as soon as the go ahead was received from the PMO / CCS the IAF sprang into action , couldn't all those assets also be targeted simultaneously ?

Something doesn't quite add up. Was there something lost in communication ? Did the IAF specifically receive such instructions from the GoI not to target these assets ? If yes how does one explain us going after their N facilities even if it was only to cause superficial damage just to make a point.

To me that's a bigger escalation than targeting the PAF assets on the ground. Or was it an either or situation wherein targeting both was seen as possibly too much on the escalation ladder & any one target was selected to make a point which in this case happened to be the N facilities even if it was the bigger of the two targets in the escalation ladder ?

after pakis launched fatah 2 with 350+ kg warhead pre-dawn 10th may, 350 kg warhead could be anything conventional or nuclear. that's an escalation, needed a firm response in same domain of ambiguity.

you send nuclear capable warhead to my side on ambiguous terms, i will respond in same2same ambiguous terms.

 

[Numero]

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People are making climaxes out of non existent proof. So many channels, different version of stories. Nonetheless, the next generation will watch these videos & it will be taken as the proof. So the ship has sailed

 

[Azaad]

after pakis launched fatah 2 with 350+ kg warhead pre-dawn 10th may, 350 kg warhead could be anything conventional or nuclear. that's an escalation, needed a firm response in same domain of ambiguity.

you send nuclear capable warhead to my side on ambiguous terms, i will respond in same2same ambiguous terms.

Accepted. That still doesn't explain why we didn't go after the PAF assets in a big way .

All we did was demonstrate to them we could target them & their assets at will.

Frankly I'm of the opinion the IAF got more fortunate than they anticipated with the results of their targeting PAF assets.

This is important for while N weapons are the last resort , PAF as an organisation though damaged is not in the ICU which is where we could have put it or at any rate put them in a position which was near ICU worthy.

The point is we did not. My question is why didn't we ?This also means they can bounce back from this debacle & cause more damage to us in the future having learnt the right lessons whereas that wouldn't be the case if we targeted them & took out plenty of PAF assets this time around.

 

[ezsasa]

Accepted. That still doesn't explain why we didn't go after the PAF assets in a big way .

All we did was demonstrate to them we could target them & their assets at will.

Frankly I'm of the opinion the IAF got more fortunate than they anticipated with the results of their targeting.

This is important for while N weapons are the last resort , PAF as an organisation though damaged is not in the ICU which is where we could have put it or at any rate put them in a position which was near ICU worthy.

The point is we did not. My question is why didn't we ?This also means they can bounce back from this debacle & cause more damage to us in the future having learnt the right lessons whereas that wouldn't be the case if we targeted them & took out plenty of assets this time around.

ICU was never the goal for this op, it's pretty evident from day 1's statement by foreign secretary.

this is one of the objectives of op sindoor.

All we did was demonstrate to them we could target them & their assets at will.

borrowing this from meme thread..

View: https://x.com/VishalMalvi_/status/1927716409527734397?

 

[A Chauhan]

I we go by Tom Cooper, I am still wondering how come Pakistanis be so dumb to keep all of its nuclear warheads in the single location Kirna/Kirana Hills ?! Although their foolishness is undisputed, even after getting party banged at all the important airbases they are celebrating downing of Indian alleged fighter jets.

 

[Tumba]

People are making climaxes out of non existent proof. So many channels, different version of stories. Nonetheless, the next generation will watch these videos & it will be taken as the proof. So the ship has sailed

All this doesnt matter … big craters inside hardened shelters of paki military bases has shown Indian capabilities.

What matters is when will pakis do what pakis do next, that will show if message is properly received or not.

Any further terrorist attack direct or indirectly from pakistan will be responded as per new policy meaning treated as act of war.

So no Rules of Engagement…

Indian military will start with fckin both uniformed and non uniformed jihadis inside pakistan…

 

[fire starter]

View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1928347386599882903?t=_4yfKuj3R07fdA2ZR7pJkA&s=19

 

[Vinash]

@Sickle_Cut is Indian.

What's with multiple posters accusing anyone who dissents as Paki?

LW intolerance to any opposing opinion shouldn't be emulated by RW. Everyone including Armed forces can be questioned. Some guys want complete annihilation of Pak and hence when our Politicians or Armed forces bring in morality when dealing with Pakis, some get annoyed. @Sickle_Cut most probably is that sort of guy.

 

[Barci]

Not sure if this has been posted before, but another proof that no Rafale was downed.

Indonesia not only purchasing 18 more Rafales, but also European source debunking the claim of downing of Rafales as disinformation campaign.

Indonesia signs letter of intent to buy 18 more Rafale jets, expanding defence ties with France

On 28 May, Indonesia signed a letter of intent expressing its intention to acquire additional Rafale fighter jets from French manufacturer Dassault Aviation.

defence-industry.eu

 

[randombully]

Accepted. That still doesn't explain why we didn't go after the PAF assets in a big way .

All we did was demonstrate to them we could target them & their assets at will.

Frankly I'm of the opinion the IAF got more fortunate than they anticipated with the results of their targeting PAF assets.

This is important for while N weapons are the last resort , PAF as an organisation though damaged is not in the ICU which is where we could have put it or at any rate put them in a position which was near ICU worthy.

The point is we did not. My question is why didn't we ?This also means they can bounce back from this debacle & cause more damage to us in the future having learnt the right lessons whereas that wouldn't be the case if we targeted them & took out plenty of PAF assets this time around.

If we did put them icu, then Pak military will not be able stay silent due to internal pressure and its own powerstructure within pakistan will crack, such a big humiliation will force them to retaliate, escalation ladder will go high, till they haven't achieved a objective where they can show their awaam as a victory/ significant damage to India.
And all this social media and payment to foreign media houses is part of effort to convince not just the world, but mainly their own awaam that they win( see even world renowned news agency are saying we won/did this), they cannot be seen as losing by their own people, especially not as big of a loss as putting them in icu, or else nuclear escalation is the only thing left.

 

[Anants]

@Sickle_Cut is Indian.

What's with multiple posters accusing anyone who dissents as Paki?

LW intolerance to any opposing opinion shouldn't be emulated by RW. Everyone including Armed forces can be questioned. Some guys want complete annihilation of Pak and hence when our Politicians or Armed forces bring in morality when dealing with Pakis, some get annoyed. @Sickle_Cut most probably is that sort of guy.

Agree with what you said. But as long as op is on as per gov, we ought to stick with Govt stand because that's good enough. Any deviating baseless discussion on that which is bolstering oppo claims should be avoided. If still curious should be discussed in pvt msgs or if required a restricted visibility limited member heavily moderated rant thread free from bots.

 

[randombully]

View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1928347386599882903?t=_4yfKuj3R07fdA2ZR7pJkA&s=19

I seriously wanted navy to be active in op sindoor, 3 paki submarine were/are in dry dock,
3 subs that few brahmos could have easily taken out.

 

[Tumba]

View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1928347386599882903?t=_4yfKuj3R07fdA2ZR7pJkA&s=19

Its great to see, military capabilities are one thing but to have inclination to use them we have only seen fully with Modi Govt all other admins were mehhhh